It all comes down to recruiting
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Add to that fact that Diaz is sort of like an old boxer who uses the earlier rounds to "feel out" the opponent.
Diaz uses the 1st quarter to "feel out" the opposing Offense. If you look at our games we make adjustments Defensively but the 1st quarter against USM was rough, LSU scored 14 early points on us, A&M scored a lot earlier on, Hell even Auburn marched down the field on us on their 1st drive and Redmond saved us with the interception.
This is a pattern with Diaz with MSU---I remember the Gator Bowl against Michigan when we gave up 14 in the first quarter before shutting "Shoelace" down. This is just Diaz's mode of operation.
Diaz uses the 1st quarter to "feel out" the opposing Offense. If you look at our games we make adjustments Defensively but the 1st quarter against USM was rough, LSU scored 14 early points on us, A&M scored a lot earlier on, Hell even Auburn marched down the field on us on their 1st drive and Redmond saved us with the interception.
This is a pattern with Diaz with MSU---I remember the Gator Bowl against Michigan when we gave up 14 in the first quarter before shutting "Shoelace" down. This is just Diaz's mode of operation.
This seems right. We got an ugly habit of spotting teams a touchdown or two early before the D gets their heads together. And our offense isn't great at come from behind play. Next thing you know we go three and out a few times then our D is on the field longer than they ought to be. By then it's a boat race.
A couple turnovers tonight were pretty bad too. Gotta keep the ball and score when we've had a successful drive downfield. Air went out of our sails pretty quickly after that.
A couple turnovers tonight were pretty bad too. Gotta keep the ball and score when we've had a successful drive downfield. Air went out of our sails pretty quickly after that.
A&M has been recruiting at alabama level since Sumlin got there and they joined the SEC. And, typically a five star player from TX, GA, CA, etc. is ahead of five star talent from MS straight out of high school.
I don't know of a 2 star on our team. I agree we need to get some bigger talent but recruiting is not what lost us that game last night. How did their 4 and 5 stars fare against our 3 and 4 stars last year? We're going to win some games this year but we are not a great team. We are a good team that met their match last against a great team.
When we play the teams with the best DLs, we typically lose. See LSU and a&m this year, Bama and Ole Miss.
Not sure if Mizzou's DL is on the same level it was in years past because I haven't watched them but they would have beaten us last year IMO.
Point is, our lack at pulling in big time OL targets really shows in the games against the aforementioned opponents. We have got to do what it takes to bridge the talent gap on the Offensive Line if we really want to West one day.
Not sure if Mizzou's DL is on the same level it was in years past because I haven't watched them but they would have beaten us last year IMO.
Point is, our lack at pulling in big time OL targets really shows in the games against the aforementioned opponents. We have got to do what it takes to bridge the talent gap on the Offensive Line if we really want to West one day.
recruiting is tied to $$$$...and by that i mean how well the school is funded...
while driving out of college station last night, we put some numbers to the test...kyle field attendance last night was 104,455...
$90 ticket x 104,455 = $9,400,950.00
30,000 cars x $20 for parking = $600,000
8 home games x $10,000,950 = $80,007,600 estimated stadium revenue (does not include seat fees, and aTm fees are huge!)
that kind of stadium is more impressive than ours to 18 year old young men...
now go recruit against that...size and money,
while driving out of college station last night, we put some numbers to the test...kyle field attendance last night was 104,455...
$90 ticket x 104,455 = $9,400,950.00
30,000 cars x $20 for parking = $600,000
8 home games x $10,000,950 = $80,007,600 estimated stadium revenue (does not include seat fees, and aTm fees are huge!)
that kind of stadium is more impressive than ours to 18 year old young men...
now go recruit against that...size and money,
While I agree that $ matters in recruiting, I believe that a coach/staff matters more. For instance, UTenn has roughly the same amount of seats &, therefore, the same revenue based on the estimates above. However, Dooley was a terrible recruiter & it showed. Kevin Sumlin is a very good, successful coach. If they had some yahoo as a HC, I doubt they would be pulling the same big recruits.
Last year's DL: PJ Jones (4star) Kaleb Eulls (4 star) Chris Jones (5 star)...this year Nick James is a 4 star, we signed Fletcher Adams who is a 4 star. Cory Thomas was I believe a 4 star. I'm tired of this BS. We're not just 2 and 3 star players. We have some sure, but they are mostly on the OL not the DL.
Baylor recruits about 5-10 spots below us on average and they don't seem to have the issues we have. It's really the LT spot. It makes the entire OL look worse.
We saw the difference Saturday between a good team and a soon-to-be-elite team.
We have some elite-level talent, but it's spread around in only a few spots (15, 2, 23, 98 sometimes, 1 sometimes), and we have some guys you can count on every game and who you can win with (8, 6, 39, 47, 42, 48), but they are surrounded by mediocre to "solid" guys... It's a pretty good roster, and one we would be glad to have in most years of my life. We are scrappy. We can and will win some games.
But A&M has many, many more playmakers, one in almost every position. They have a guy come off the bench I've never heard of, and when you throw him the ball - he intends to score. We may have a guy who is thinking 'don't fumble' or 'try hard' or maybe 'try not to get embarrassed by Myles Garrett'. You can see the difference.
I will add that a big part of that is coaching, too. As everyone has seen, Dan get timids with the playcalling, especially in big games. We play not to lose -- you can see attitude in the players, too. So you take guys who already may be a little underathletic, and you put them in position to play scared, you get what we had Saturday. And against Alabama last year. And Ole Miss.
I don't see any of that in A&M's playcalling. I would say they have elite guys calling the shots as well. They are on the verge of being a juggernaut.
We have some elite-level talent, but it's spread around in only a few spots (15, 2, 23, 98 sometimes, 1 sometimes), and we have some guys you can count on every game and who you can win with (8, 6, 39, 47, 42, 48), but they are surrounded by mediocre to "solid" guys... It's a pretty good roster, and one we would be glad to have in most years of my life. We are scrappy. We can and will win some games.
But A&M has many, many more playmakers, one in almost every position. They have a guy come off the bench I've never heard of, and when you throw him the ball - he intends to score. We may have a guy who is thinking 'don't fumble' or 'try hard' or maybe 'try not to get embarrassed by Myles Garrett'. You can see the difference.
I will add that a big part of that is coaching, too. As everyone has seen, Dan get timids with the playcalling, especially in big games. We play not to lose -- you can see attitude in the players, too. So you take guys who already may be a little underathletic, and you put them in position to play scared, you get what we had Saturday. And against Alabama last year. And Ole Miss.
I don't see any of that in A&M's playcalling. I would say they have elite guys calling the shots as well. They are on the verge of being a juggernaut.
I agree.
Our develop of 2 and 3 stars has been good but the problem with them is it takes several years to get them where you want them...by then their about gone. 4 and 5 stars come in near ready but you have to deal more with attitudes and "pre-madonnas"* We definitely need to produce more in recruiting. Even if it means "playing the game."
Our develop of 2 and 3 stars has been good but the problem with them is it takes several years to get them where you want them...by then their about gone. 4 and 5 stars come in near ready but you have to deal more with attitudes and "pre-madonnas"* We definitely need to produce more in recruiting. Even if it means "playing the game."
Talking about footprint? San Diego County in California has about the same population as the State of Mississippi. The only D1 program in that footprint is San Diego State which is not a destination for a quality football player locally. California Community Colleges are huge in comparison to the Eastern U.S. schools. I have coached JC ball in San Diego and know that an offer from Mississippi State would be well received by a quality local player. I have spoken to Greg Byrne, in the past, and told him I can't believe that Mississippi State would surrender a prospect to Boise State. Coach Mullen has coached out West yet no action in Southern California: I just don't get it? I also don't get La Tec giving MSU a fit with a Southern California QB starting?
Backup DL getting the most snaps is Torrey Dale, 3* 1063 overal
Starting LT Rufus Warren, who was an injured TE his whole career, wasn't even ranked overall or by position but given a 3 star for whatever reason
Starting RT Senior is a 3 start out of prep school
Starting RG Desper 770 overall and 3 star
Starting C is 1258 overall and a 3 star
We can't even sign a 17ing left tackle to be ready to replace our starter for 4 years. 4 17ing years to figure it out and we move a TE over. The only reason these guys are even 3 stars is because they signed with a SEC school. You can't compete for championships in the sec with talent like this on the line. So yeah, most of our team is 3 star players when you go and look at it. You think we'll consistently be ranked in the 30s in recruiting if we were signing mostly 4 stars? Give me a break.
Starting LT Rufus Warren, who was an injured TE his whole career, wasn't even ranked overall or by position but given a 3 star for whatever reason
Starting RT Senior is a 3 start out of prep school
Starting RG Desper 770 overall and 3 star
Starting C is 1258 overall and a 3 star
We can't even sign a 17ing left tackle to be ready to replace our starter for 4 years. 4 17ing years to figure it out and we move a TE over. The only reason these guys are even 3 stars is because they signed with a SEC school. You can't compete for championships in the sec with talent like this on the line. So yeah, most of our team is 3 star players when you go and look at it. You think we'll consistently be ranked in the 30s in recruiting if we were signing mostly 4 stars? Give me a break.
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