Isn't it time for 4 total state champs again?

RalphMachio99

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You look at the number of blowouts, in state championship games no less, and how watered down the overall playoffs are and it's just really showing how diluted HS football is as a whole.
Everyone knows WHY they want 8 "state champs" - money and job security for coaches - but the sport is suffering because of that.

HS football has become so bad in a lot of ways. The pairing/matchups of teams in the first two rounds is often ridiculous (one 5-7 team, one 9-3 team or whatever). It's not until the third round until you're guaranteed you'll see a legit contender on either side...and there are many games where you could argue that it doesn't happen even then.

With the onset of the concussion stuff ramping up, and doctors/insurance people covering their butts with clipboards, and lawyers putting on a napkin over top their tie readying themselves for the feast...there has to be a fine line of how much playoff football is played. Let the games mean something. We need that now more than ever.

On a side note, I wish NC would hold their state football games during the same weekend at two close venues that make sense, in a central part of the state.
If done in Charlotte, you could have UNCC and Memorial stadium host all games ( in present day...8 total). If we ever got back down back to 4 legit state champ winners, all 4 games could be played at a single venue. Charlotte has the hotels, sights and easy access from the entire state. It'd be great if the kids were given Thurs-Sat championship "weekends" with 2 games on Friday, and 2 games on Saturday.
Wake Forest/W-S area would also be a nice area to consider.
 

BlueandGold34

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Agree with all of this. The product on the field at Carter Finley on Saturday was just awful. Almost unwatchable. 2nd half of the MC-Page game was 25 minutes long due to a running clock in a title game. That's another thing that needs to go away for the playoffs. Just silly
 

crestcharger02

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4 or 6 or 8 will still lead to some blowouts but you are correct that NC has too many right now. This year it looked like some of the best games would have been Western Finals in 2A, 3A and 4A.
 
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Pisgah Bear

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They will never change the 8 champions because of the money .So why not let the two champions in each division play each other for the real championship.Would also mean more money.
Eliminate the open week and they will still play the week before the Shrine Bowl.
 

sasha_nc

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I have seen a proposal that leaves the 4 classifications. However, when playoffs come, 192 teams make the playoffs which are divided into 6 classifications - 32 teams per bracket. Two fewer champions, only four weeks of playoffs, no 4-6 or 3-7 teams.
 

CHEERDUCK

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You look at the number of blowouts, in state championship games no less, and how watered down the overall playoffs are and it's just really showing how diluted HS football is as a whole.
Everyone knows WHY they want 8 "state champs" - money and job security for coaches - but the sport is suffering because of that.

HS football has become so bad in a lot of ways. The pairing/matchups of teams in the first two rounds is often ridiculous (one 5-7 team, one 9-3 team or whatever). It's not until the third round until you're guaranteed you'll see a legit contender on either side...and there are many games where you could argue that it doesn't happen even then.

With the onset of the concussion stuff ramping up, and doctors/insurance people covering their butts with clipboards, and lawyers putting on a napkin over top their tie readying themselves for the feast...there has to be a fine line of how much playoff football is played. Let the games mean something. We need that now more than ever.

On a side note, I wish NC would hold their state football games during the same weekend at two close venues that make sense, in a central part of the state.
If done in Charlotte, you could have UNCC and Memorial stadium host all games ( in present day...8 total). If we ever got back down back to 4 legit state champ winners, all 4 games could be played at a single venue. Charlotte has the hotels, sights and easy access from the entire state. It'd be great if the kids were given Thurs-Sat championship "weekends" with 2 games on Friday, and 2 games on Saturday.
Wake Forest/W-S area would also be a nice area to consider.

Definitely need to unify the State Championships and cut out these split Championships. When you stretch out the playoffs,you're stretching the quality of play. Simply put, more is not better, let's get back to quality and allow teams with the best records advance.

I 'd love to see smaller venues used for the State Championships as well.
 
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I have seen a proposal that leaves the 4 classifications. However, when playoffs come, 192 teams make the playoffs which are divided into 6 classifications - 32 teams per bracket. Two fewer champions, only four weeks of playoffs, no 4-6 or 3-7 teams.

How would this only be 4 weeks of playoffs if there are still 32 teams per bracket?
 

Godevilsgo

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Those big stadiums take away from the excitement of a game. Anything over 10,000 is too big. All the games should be played in a central area like Greensboro. Elon and NC A&T would be ideal.

Football playoffs have become like the YMCA sports rewarding teams for just playing. It's horrible. Nothing will change because of the ADs and coaches drive the decisions.

Even with the current format 1A,1AA, 4A, 4AA need to at least go to four rounds when the new realignment takes place in 2017. 76 schools will be in the 4 classification which means only 13 teams will not make the playoffs. How silly is that.
 
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crestcharger02

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No offense to the Elons and A&Ts of the world but the title game should be about the experience for these guys playing. They get the excitement of running out on the field of the big schools in NC. I get that it can be cavernous at times but I've enjoyed sitting in the seats at Chapel Hill and Winston Salem these past 15 years or so.
 

CabCoFootball

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If I'm a kid, I'd rather play in a smaller venue in front of a packed house than an empty UNC/NCST.

It's not like those places are hollowed grounds of football lore. No kids dream is to play a game in Keenan Stadium.
 
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Chopper747

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No offense to the Elons and A&Ts of the world but the title game should be about the experience for these guys playing. They get the excitement of running out on the field of the big schools in NC. I get that it can be cavernous at times but I've enjoyed sitting in the seats at Chapel Hill and Winston Salem these past 15 years or so.

I saw similar excitement in Texas where 5A/6A state championships were played in Cowboys stadium in Dallas. I think the Georiga state titles are played in the Georgia Dome. Those games do seem to bring larger crowds than NC games. When looking at it that way I guess B of A would be the equivalent.





 
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Have to admit playing in the '97 and '98 state championships in Kenan Stadium was pretty special. If I had to do over, I would choose to play there again. That was something me and my teammates will never forget. Yeah it wasn't even 1/4th full but it was still awesome to run out onto that field. It's a big stage but I would vote for keeping them at the big colleges or moving back to the west being the home team one year and the east the next and play at the high schools. I wouldn't vote for moving to smaller colleges.
 

new_dawg

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You look at the number of blowouts, in state championship games no less, and how watered down the overall playoffs are and it's just really showing how diluted HS football is as a whole.
Everyone knows WHY they want 8 "state champs" - money and job security for coaches - but the sport is suffering because of that.

HS football has become so bad in a lot of ways. The pairing/matchups of teams in the first two rounds is often ridiculous (one 5-7 team, one 9-3 team or whatever). It's not until the third round until you're guaranteed you'll see a legit contender on either side...and there are many games where you could argue that it doesn't happen even then.

With the onset of the concussion stuff ramping up, and doctors/insurance people covering their butts with clipboards, and lawyers putting on a napkin over top their tie readying themselves for the feast...there has to be a fine line of how much playoff football is played. Let the games mean something. We need that now more than ever.

On a side note, I wish NC would hold their state football games during the same weekend at two close venues that make sense, in a central part of the state.
If done in Charlotte, you could have UNCC and Memorial stadium host all games ( in present day...8 total). If we ever got back down back to 4 legit state champ winners, all 4 games could be played at a single venue. Charlotte has the hotels, sights and easy access from the entire state. It'd be great if the kids were given Thurs-Sat championship "weekends" with 2 games on Friday, and 2 games on Saturday.
Wake Forest/W-S area would also be a nice area to consider.

 

1whoknows

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So what would have changed with the scores this year, if not 8 classification. MC blows out anyone that comes out of the East. Crest blows out anyone that comes out of the East. Wallace Rose blows out anyone that comes from the West.

Evidently the teams did not make it that you are thinking would have gave these teams better games. Havelock was the best last year out of the East and Crest drilled them. Who else in 3A would have gave them a game.

Even when it was 4 class, there were blowouts. Blowouts will not change. EVERY state has more than 4 state champions. South Carolina Big 16 is basicallly them playing each other again. Dorman played Dutch Fork and Byrnes in the regular season and played them again to get to the state game. Sometimes the state title is a rematch of a regular season game, i.e. Spartanburg vs Dorman or Byrnes.

So it just isn't NC.
 

CatholicCougs14

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I think all title games should be held at Wake. Best stadium in the state in my opinion, doesn't totally swallow up a small crowd like UNC/NCST can.
If possible I'd take a full Friday and Saturday and do as many games there as possible.
I think 1A/2A should be at Wake or UNCC or even NC A&T due to the crowds in those games not always being the largest.
 

ReidsvilleRam90

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Six games at wake. Fri 8. Sat 12-4-8. Sun 1-5. If your team is in the finals, screw the NFL. If my fandom was magic, I'd trade the Steelers six rings for Six more in Reidsville.
 

sasha_nc

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Six games at wake. Fri 8. Sat 12-4-8. Sun 1-5. If your team is in the finals, screw the NFL. If my fandom was magic, I'd trade the Steelers six rings for Six more in Reidsville.

Might can screw the NFL, but I would be in church Sunday morning. Of course, so many people are involved in travel ball games these days which are played on Sundays as well that it may not matter to them.
 

btango

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1A title games were played on a Sunday in 2003 at Duke and 4AA at Chapel Hill in 2007. This was due to Duke not allowing the NCHSAA to use Wallace Wade because of a basketball game (St Johns?) the Saturday of the title games and gave the NCHSAA late notice which is was a main reason in leaving Duke along with the stadium was a dump at the time. UNC had graduation and a basketball game but not sure the time frame they gave notice.

I told an AHS player that he could tell people he played on Sunday.
 
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In 1989, ACR played Richmond Co on a Sunday in Chapel Hill.....of course that was due to a massive ice storm that hit that weekend!
 
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