So, when negative things get said about white players, I guess we are supposed to assume they are coming exclusively from non-whites and are racially driven?
Is Quade too far gone
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So, when negative things get said about white players, I guess we are supposed to assume they are coming exclusively from non-whites and are racially driven?
I’m not saying you can’t do it, I’m sayin it isn’t an overnight fix. Because those 50th ranked players that you bring in will need to play right now. There’s no one else available.
If you get lucky and grab a generational player like AD or Wall, then you can bridge that gap without too much suffering.
I think there are guys ranked 40-60, who plan on playing 4 years, who would kill to come to Kentucky if they really thought they were part of the long term plan.
I guess another way you could bridge the gap would be with grad transfers. But whatever the answer is, it has to start with Cal.
In my opinion though, the lack of continuity is making the program much less fun to watch. The average fan enjoys watching 3-4 year guys who know the system like the back of their hand, or superstars like Randle and Fox. But watching decent players who don’t know what they’re doing for 3/4 of the year isn’t much fun. I completely get it.
That’s the most disappointing part of this early season, imo. Last year kind of looked like a bridge year. We thought and hoped that getting some guys back with experience would lead to a cleaner game to watch in November and December. But the returnees and Cal have laid an egg, for the most part.
Not sure where to start here...
1. Sure, Herro can score, but his scoring effectiveness is terrible. At this point, he needs a ton of shots to get points. Like I said, not effective...yet tons of people are claiming he is our best scorer and shooter all the while ignoring the numbers. Quade is a more effective scorer, but he's not a sure NBA-er so he needs to transfer because some people think he is a cancer.
2. Cal runs tons of plays for Herro...tons. The offense is around Herro making shots. Anyone making outside shots. Herro can't throw it in the ocean. He is shooting 27% from three...yet tons of people are defending his crappy shooting and Quade, who is a better shooter, has to hit the road cause he has bad body language,
3. Maybe you didn't watch the game this past weekend, but Herro lost the ball three times going to the basket, resulting in one turnover, while the other two went to other UK players. Herro is no different than Quade in this sene, but since Herro is being aggressive it's excusable, but since Quade is also being equally aggressive, he needs to get lost because he has a "vibe" about him.
4. Defensively, Herro has been terrible. The only redeeming quality for Herro is he jumps the lanes often, but sometimes give us an easy score for his gamble. Yet many on here constantly state he is a great defender...Where do people get this from? Herro is given the benefit of the doubt, Quade is given scorn and hatred.
Don't blame the kid if he decides to transfer ASAP.
You see what happens when a player is in a structured offense and doesn't feel forced to produce early or he gets recruited over. Had he come to Kentucky with the mindset to be a 3 or 4 year player and wouldn't get benched for the next good (likely not great) OAD, then he would have been much better here. It's just the environment that was created when Coach Cal came here.
The same thing will likely happen to Green. He will go somewhere that has a structured offense he can play in and he won't be recruited over. He will end up being a 3 or 4 year player that someone else reaps the benefits of. He just isn't a great fit here to begin with and probably doesn't come here if Bamba went elsewhere before he committed.
I'm not sure "slump" is the right word for a player who's never yet had a sustained good shooting stretch at this level.
Slump implies a deviation from the norm. But so far this is Herro's norm.
The reason we arent there yet is because we dont have enough guys who have played together long enough. Couple that with a lack of dominant stars and this is really just a normal situation. A bunch of young guys (a sophomore is NOT an upperclassman), raw freshman and a senior from another program. That's not how you build a cohesive unit. It will take another year to stock the shelf. We need juniors and seniors who are staples of the program.
Until Cal went down an unworn path, this was common sense and has been the way teams win forever. The only reason we performed so well to this point was because AD MKG KAT and Randle were so dominant. It's literally the only reason. Our line for failure was so thin because he was relying on the tip top tier to offset conventional team building. That's why a few years ago I was sounding the alarm that we better pull top 5 kids or we're in trouble. To which I was told "recruiting is fine we have 4 blue chips"
Absolutely no thought process at all.
Herro has been garbage for what I w as expecting and he needs to play at least another year if not two in college. Period.
No silents. As I said, for the logic to work, we must ignore that Travis Ford is hated and Tony Delk is worshiped. It must fit, you see. Because everyone is racist, somehow.
The thing is, Cal has done a great job of getting freshmen to play right by March. Yeah, maybe they have mostly been elite. But I’m talking, playing good defense, sharing the ball, etc. Not just overwhelming people with talent.
I don’t think it’s too much to ask that Sophomores, who have been through a full season with Cal, are top 20 talents, and were good enough to contribute to an SEC Championship and Sweet Sixteen last year, would come into this season ready to play. Ready to take the next step.
Instead, they’ve somewhat taken a step back. It’s a lack of maturity, in my opinion.
Theoretically, all these guys would be a little better as Juniors. But they should have been better than this as Sophomores too.
I'm not supporting any player over any other player but he has shown some very good potential when we played in the Bahamas. Unfortunately, he and the rest of the team left their mojo back there. We look like the NBA guys from Space Jam that lost their skills and the aliens that took it are these guys.
We need to steal our mojo back.
I mean, people are reaching with "Herro is the best interior passer we have".
WTF does that mean and is that really what people are hanging their hat on...the Herro hype is just unbelievable and more so, needs to sit
Great shooter when they are in a slump are shooting thousands of shots outside of practice. I mean, where are the puff pieces on how Herros is the last one in practice and first one there...where are those stories?
The only story this season was Quade going to the gym after the first game in the Bahamas to work on his shot. But yeah, he's a cancer and needs to transfer.
To me, the thing that is most surprising about Quade so far this season are his turnovers and floor errors. Otherwise, I think he has played well. I don't know if he's forcing things to try and stay on the floor, or not, but I think he's a much better ball handler and passer than he's shown recently. I think he will get that part of his game figured out. His shot, for the most part, has been there. I look for him to really help us this year. We need him to.
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Not going to help the random crazy decisions and terrible passes at strangely inopportune times.
My biggest concerns with Quade are the between the ears sort. Yes, he has the physical limitations as well but the above neck stuff is what is keeping him from being a good college player.
His ability to play point just isn't translating from high school at all.
He is like a very short and unathletic James Young at this point. Ok...a little better passer but that is the gist.
Sorry, I'd rather see Baker eat all those minutes even at point.
Quade is a bench shooter that is in a hot or not at least as far as I'm concerned. Think a Moulder who is less dependable on D or even Brad.
2-3 weeks ago I said he is a liability and tons on here attacked me about how much he means to the team and how we wouldn't go anywhere without him. I'm glad everyone is on the same page now(Well most) that he doesn't belong out there. I pulled for him early on, but since the SEC tourney last year I haven't. He hasn't given us anything since then. That's a long time to wait for a kid to get it.
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So much microwave society. Due to OAD and not being patient, many fans here give a kid time to develop. Green was never considered a OAD so why are people judging him like he should be instead of letting him develop for four years like Jorts. He’s not dominating or having a bunch of good games now but he’s only a soph and has two years.
The funny things is the same people who destroy him on here are the same ones who did that to the transfers and then say “ man I wish we had Mathews or Witljer, look how well they are playing”. Well they are playing that wel due to developing
The funny things is the same people who destroy him on here are the same ones who did that to the transfers and then say “ man I wish we had Mathews or Witljer, look how well they are playing”. Well they are playing that wel due to developing
If Quade didn't play...am I leaving or coming back, I would be a little less critical. At this point I believe he is a negative to the team as a whole remember we are not privy to the day yo day practices. This was Green's team and shown no leadership skills. Other than 1 game, showed no heart or fire. It's like he feels that UK is lucky to have him. Cal has limited his minutes for a reason, Cal is giving those minutes yo who deserve them. If you can't see this I don't get it. Rewatched the games and warch green during to, walking to the bench, the turnovers...
Yes herro has turnovers and bone headed plays...see how each reacts to them
See who puts head down eyes up and in stance, Herro doesn't compound his mistakes like Quade does.
Yes herro has turnovers and bone headed plays...see how each reacts to them
See who puts head down eyes up and in stance, Herro doesn't compound his mistakes like Quade does.
Green is 8th in mins played this year yet leads us in TOs. How's that for stats. Also Herro 37rebs, Quade 12. Don't get the Herro doesn't play D he leads the team in steals. I see plenty of guys getting beat more than Herro on D.
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Hey man! My friend was wondering just exactly how much white guilt you have?
I said 70% white guilt
Some of these guys are psychotic when it comes to white players. We aren’t allowed to give them any praise.
And before they chime in, I have never claimed Herro was our best player or best anything. He is a pretty decent player that has lost the confidence in his shot. Hopefully, he will get that back.
I hope Quade plays better too. He has been a pretty good shooter for us but he has also been a turnover machine.
Somehow it got turned into a race card, which is pretty unfortunate. I'm just looking at 2 players that can play the same position. I was just chiming in on how I'm not defending Herro, but a lot of people say he can't defend and obviously can't score so he shouldn't even be playing. I was hoping with Green being a year older, he wouldn't be playing like he has. Just makes me question what the REAL problem is. Is he not being properly utilized either?
Crappy post IMO , I disagree with most of it . Quade a more effective scorer that Herro ? Cal runs tons of plays for Herro ? No . Herro has been shooting awful , but his overall game is far better than Quade . Quade has earned the lack of PT by doing nothing much but turning the ball over.
It has been said that Cal made Herro change his shot to get it off quicker. He needs to go back to the way he shot in the Bahamas. Run a damn offense that will get him good looks that will last more than a half a second. **** Cal, put your guys in good position to score. Don't make them change their shot. Turners was horrible and he could never change yet he was still a great player. Jeez.
Like I said in the other post...the numbers don't lie. I would suggest you look into the stats, but that would require effort and that doesn't seem to be your cup of tea.
Statistically speaking, as of today, Quade is the best shooter on this team and it is not close.
What's Herro done to earn playtime? Can't shoot, can't defend his position, and prone to turning it over as well (albeit not as terrible as Quade).
Like I stated earlier how can you argue with the fact that Quade has played the 8th most mins this season yet leads us in TOs?
This is such horseshit. You have no way of knowing any of what you're implying here. How does some message board dipwad know what "leadership skills" he's shown, how much "heart or fire" he has, or how he "feels" inside? Are you in the locker room? These might be things you WANT to believe, but they're NOT things you could actually know.
I'm OK with Quade criticism based on his assist to turnover ratio or similar empirical data. But some of the stuff on these anti-Quade threads that bash him on personal grounds, his character, the namecalling, implying he's the cancer causing chemistry problems (something you knuckleheads are in NO position to know), etc. are embarrassing. Honestly, sometimes you guys can give the impression you're just bad people when you pull that crap.
But I do get it. It's been embarrassingly obvious for a year now that a large segment of our fan base is wildly excited about Tyler Herro and dearly want him to be be the big thing this year. And because Quade's the guy competing for his minutes, he's who you want perceived as the team's bad guy. So you'll spin it that way regardless of whether deserved or not.
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Dipwad, just expressing an opinion. Mind yourself tough guy,
What has green shown since he has been here? Got beat out by Shai, then had back spasms..hmmm
Last game of season what was his last shot against Kansas st.
Cal plays who does well in practice, what have we seen? A steady decrease of greens minutes.
Remember at the end of the season? When many of our players are testing waters, green wasnt, then when Hagans commits, all of a sudden all this noise from his camp, former coach says Cal isn't using him properly, family members saying he should return to Philly to play at laSalle...then has his mom announce he is returning. Now reports, purely hearsay, that we have a player that is a cancer on the team, causing negativity. Green had an oppurtunity twice to make this his team...yet he we are in decembers still figuring out who runs point . He is physically limited, he did nothing since last year body wise, no increase in weight, muscles. 10 minutes 3 to 0 assists. Wish him well. Again all is speculation and what ive seen rewatching games focusing on him, whst he foes on bench, how he reacts to other teammates. I just don't see him trying, out of position, indecision all things you expect freshman to do . Try rewatching the games, focus on him watch. You will see it...
I don't claim to know what he feels, I see his actions. When a foul occurs , he isn't the one huddling everyone up. Isn't cheering for his teammates. I didn't believe it myself til someone mentioned to watch him, his body language...
Leadership skills, a long time ago, a lifetime ago was part of group who taught skills on rope courses in northern ky.
Body language tells alot.
Like me, you are entitled an opinion, just refrain from resorting to name calling. Keep it civil numbnutz[banana]
You do realize you can debate and make your argument without personally insulting other fans , right? Why be an *** ? Quade can make some threes -- sometimes , but he seems desperate to be " the guy" at crucial times , I hope he stays 4 years and becomes the player we need him to be .
And if it makes you feel better I'm not certain Herro will ever be the player we saw in the Bahamas . JMO , I think Cal attempted to get in his head in a good way , and it went south somehow .
Will do and apologies...
Oh, so it's now Cal's fault that Herro can't shoot. I guess all those clips of Herro hitting countless three's was just doctored footage.
All I know for sure is the guy was freaking great in the 4 straight games , and now he isnt. And Cal is paid 8 mil a year to succeed , and hes done a dang good job . Mojo is a hard thing to rope and tame . I hope Tyler can and Cal too.
I understand the point the crappy article is trying to make...but it is what it is as are most of the posts on this topic - CRAP.
Quade is leading the team in turnovers - dude is a cancer, should transfer, is the reason why we can't win games and never see the floor again. Essentially the sentiment of the board.
Herro can't shoot a lick and can't defend a goal post - we fans need to give the kid more time and allow him to have the game come to him. We are all 100% positive the kid will get better in both departments, but let's not get psychotic and sit the kid or anything. Essentially the sentiment of the board
Why is the leash so long for Herro when the kid is providing this team as much as Quade if not less?
Both SUX at the moment, but there is one player who is handled like a delicate snowflake by the fans and one player is just unfairly tormented to no end by the same fans.
I think this the hammer on the nail. Richards should be a force of destruction at this point. He gets no PT and no chance to shine.
No chance to shine ? His rebound totals thru like 6 games were 1-2-2-1 -19-2 Thats on Nick . Its not like his shots are not falling , or he is rehabbing an injury , hes just been hugely disappointing , and that sucks because we need him so very badly.
Boy I don't know where to start with this thread. Green is a good player but that is all he ever was or will be and that is fine . We have stars in PJ , Travis , KJ and soon once he gets comfortable Herro ( hell I think EJ will be the highest picked in the draft this year around 5 or 6 ) what we need is guys who are role players . The one issue is I don't think Green realizes he is a role player. You can't be that short and not be very athletic and be a star. You can be a really good college player in time not a star IMO .
I stopped reading that article in the first paragraph the moment I read this line:
"It reminded me of former UConn star Kemba Walker during the 2014 magical March Madness run."
It, of course, was Shabazz Napier in that 2014 UConn title run, not Walker. Any writer that careless and confused about the facts ain't worth being taken seriously.
How is that embarrassing? What have Cal's teams lacked in many of his seasons here? Shooting. That's what we saw in Herro's HS games and in 3 of the 4 Bahamas games. If that had been Green doing that, we would have been just as excited about that.