Is Quade too far gone
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Please feel free to tell me what Herro does well. Like I said, the number 1 job of the SG is to make shots. Your boy is shooting a stellar 27% and has stunk all season long. Hot garbage, yet is defended to no end and yet Quade is told to hit the road.
Can't play defense & Can't shoot...why is he on the floor. Need to start giving Quickly and Baker more run time to see what they can do.
Thus far, kid is undeserving of playtime...
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Number 1 job of SG is to make outside shots. PERIOD. Your boy is shooting a putrid 27% from 3.
27%
Keep defending that stellar number...
I'm not sure if you've been watching, but they've all been passing to the other team and taking dumbass shots. Hell we've got 7 footers bricking dunks and others who couldn't shoot 45% if they were shooting in the Atlantic Ocean.
Quade Green .449 .895 .423 not bad numbers but 21-21 asst to TO isnt good for any guard , only Herro, IQ and Hagen have positive ratio s .
I like Green he can get hot. I do like him coming in off bench.
Can he even run a team? Turns it over, plays 'Hero' ball, can't sTay in front of speedy guards his size, cant defend taller guards...he is a bust
Hate to say it but what has he shown that justifies his 5 star...
Not only is he undersized, but at least Dom went into weight room and muscled up...Green is lazy, has t rex arms, has no idea how to run a team. Cal got him back, but was hoping he left...
I have no inside sources, but kid seems like he is cancer on sideline, never cheering, not first up to congratulate .
Give his minutes to baker, got size and drive to play...
Herro has much better stats except for 3 point pct. but you’re right, it’s because he’s white. Smh
Uh, he’s shooting 41% overall. 89% on fts. 4.1 rebounds.
Check the actual stats next time.
I'm just mainly saying Virginia because of their tempo. It usually is so slow and deliberate that he could take his time and probably make less mistakes. Maybe playing in a more structured offense would help him as well. Ours always seems more like freelancing.
Doesn't seem to play at our current tempo...kyle guy and ty Jerome are Allstars compare to green...maybe LaSalle, temple? Another Philly school...
All these Philly guards that were 5 stars are busts.
Quade and the jelly fam dude on nova's bench...all talk no action
He's a better shooter than Herro...
Sigh...after nine games.
- Quade's overall shooting is 44.9%; Herro's is 41.8% - Advantage Quade
- Quade's overall 3 point shooting is 42.3%; Herro's is 27.3% - Advantage Quade
- Quade FT shooting is 89.5%; Herro's is 88.9% - Advantage Quade
- Quade's Point Per Possession is 1.5; Herro's is 1.1 - Advantage Quade
- Quade's True Shooting Percentage is 62.8%; Herro's is 52.6% - Advantage Quade
- Quade's Effective Field Goal Percentage is 56.1%; Herro's is 48.4% - Advantage Quade
Numbers don't lie. Quade is a better shooter and better offensive player than Herro at the moment.
Maybe Herro goes on a tear in the next few games, but at the moment, he's hot garbage as our 2 guard.
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Qs ranking was based on his accomplishments not his potential.
Not a throwaway but he's a role player no matter his ranking. At least at UK. Everyone who comes to UK is subject to being recruited over especially at PG.
He also turns the ball over more than any of our guards! He’s not a pg or at least a good one! He’s a SG stuck in a pg body!
I actually think Quade should’ve never came here! It’s not a good fit for him or UK! If he is the causing issues then he needs to just go!
I get it, quade is facing a stark reality that he won't be a Nba player...no matter what his former coaches,or family members say. Best thing for him is prove he even Belongs out on the floor.
Richards is developing albeit slowly, cant imagine having the pressure of a documentary and the harsh realization that maybe it ain't that easy. It's not a bad thing if he needs couple more seasons to get there. I believe he eventually will. He has the size, shot....I don't know. He did have a solid outing this last game, something he can build upon.
Richards is developing albeit slowly, cant imagine having the pressure of a documentary and the harsh realization that maybe it ain't that easy. It's not a bad thing if he needs couple more seasons to get there. I believe he eventually will. He has the size, shot....I don't know. He did have a solid outing this last game, something he can build upon.
If not for trying to get Bamba, do you all think we would have even signed Green? Cal probably figured he was worth the take if he brought Bamba with him. The dreaded package deal that wasn't. He could always recruit over him if he didn't work out. He just doesn't seem a good fit here.
Out of curiosity, why do you put an exclamation mark after every single sentence?
Does Quade talk excite you that much?
That's the peoblem. The number 18 rated blue chip isn't worth taking unless they stay 3 or 4 years. 2 isn't even enough in most cases. Stop signing guys who want to be pros immediately. Stoo throwing darts at rivals top 25 list. A 3 year solid top 50 is way better than a 1 or 2 year top 20. Cal just hasnt given it up.
Are those numbers for Green including last year too? If so, those numbers are skewed. Herro hasn't had a chance to increase those numbers due to him only playing 9 games so far, while Green shot better towards the end of last season. Let's give Herro a full season and see where his stats are.
LOL at rolaid accusing someone else of having a racial agenda. Pot meet kettle.
Dude, there's nobody on this board who's made it more obvious over the years that he lets race guide his opinions than you.
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He seems to have regressed rather than improved. Probably because Cal brought in two other PGs. Richards is another returning player that has shown no improvement. If you don't have the elite recruits, but you have several quality returning players, you can compensate. If you have neither, you got trouble.
Same. That’s probably the all-time “Cal knows what he’s doing” moment for me. I thought Quade would be Ulis-lite. I thought Shai would develop into a P.J. Dozier type by his Sophomore year.
It’s a bit of a mixed bag though, right?
Ulis was 18 and he was the perfect 2 year player. Booker was 23 and ended up elite. Shai was 30 and became an immediate lottery pick.
WCS is probably the best example of what you want. Ranked 38 and developed into a lottery pick in 3 years. But he probably only made it three years because of injury.
I don’t think Cal is throwing darts, and I don’t think it’s as simple as saying don’t take the guys in the 18-25 range.
But Cal has himself in a box. He’s been preaching getting these guys to the NBA. He’s pulled it off in cases where we doubted it was possible, like Ulis. How does he look prospect number 50 in the eye and tell them he knows they aren’t NBA material, but he wants them anyway?
Seems simple enough, but it goes against his DNA, or at least the marketing pitch he’s perfected the past decade.
I think you have to pitch number 50 that it may take 3 or 4 years to get there, but if they will work, Kentucky is their best path. The problem is that number 50 may want to play right now, so they end up at Xavier or UTEP.
It isn’t a quick overnight fix, I’m afraid.
I'm not saying dont recruit the top 10-25. I'm saying dont build your team around them if they arent staying 2-3 years. And in a lot of cases they need 3, not even two.
Perfect example is Ej Montomery. I rememeber thinking when I first saw him play that theres no way that's an impact player in one year. If he leaves, the best chance scenario is we get 1 decent month of production that actually holds weight. Theres just no point in recruiting a guy like that unless he's surrounded by great players. And even then you really might not need him.
Build the team around solid college basketball players and then grab some aspiring OAD's to play with THEM. But when Cal builds the team around a OAD who wont be any good until his 4th year in the NBA, it does UK no good. Cal gets another NBA notch in his belt. The player gets paid. Kentucky is the only one suffering. I'm not cool with it.
Booker is an outlier. Ulis was a college built guard who stayed two years. It isn't an exact science but we are way overloaded on guys who cant contribute well enough through the year or in many cases at the end of it and our team is built around it. And I do think Cal pays little attention outside of the top 25. Duke routinely recruits 4 stars yearly. UNC does as well and will sign 3 stars. Villanova signs 3's and 4's. Donovan won 2 titles with 3's and 4's. They scout. Cal relies on the top 25. And after 2012 weve seen those fringe blue chips come to Kentucky thinking its NBA time and none are really ready. It permeates from there and hurts the team. Just not a good strategy.
He's still young. Cal has set the har very high in recruiting. He has been his worst enemy
Nope. Only shooting numbers from this year only.
I don’t get the hype with Herro. Dude can’t shoot and can’t defend , yet people on here go out of their way to defend him to no end.
Remember when many in this board were calling Charles Matthews a quitter for transferring? How’s that work out for that quitter.
As I stated just passing on what I was told ! Transferring does work out for some of the players.
Well, I agree with you that this thread reeks of obvious bias.
I'm startled by how much mean-spirited vitriol toward Quade is in this thread. People attacking not just his game, but also his character, his "body language", calling him a "pouter," saying his head is up his ***, etc. It's like some here hate him personally, not just as a player, and don't wanna hear anything good about him.
And this is for the five star that came back. Yet we wonder why our players wanna leave so early.
And, yes, I do suspect Herro bias helps explain why Quade criticism has turned so nasty. We weren't talking that way about him last year when Diallo was his competition for minutes.
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I'm not hyping him up. Yes, he's in a massive slump, but he's a shooter that can score. I just don't think he's being utilized effectively. No screens to get him open or they just simply don't pass it to him because Cal wants to pound the ball down low every possession. Do you see Herro throwing the ball away with such ease as Green does? Defensively, he's been ok. He's gotten better since the first game and will be effective over the course of the season. There just seems to be something wrong with Green because his vibe hasn't been good, and I believe it has affected his play on the court.
From a racial aspect Herro being a minority in the sport and definitely a minority at UK these days, its going to carry weight which is normal. It's not much different than the Tiger Woods golf effect when I was in high school. People rooted for the rarity. It's totally blown out of proportion but I know why. People obsess over it when it's not an approved race. It's such a simpleton view and lacks logic and reason and this sort of nonsense is why history repeats itself.
Nobody wants Quade to fail or somehow prefer Herro being good because of race. AD is worshiped at UK. Mashburn is worshiped at UK. Delk is worshiped at UK. Travis Ford is HATED at UK. But when this rafial narrative is pushed those facts get ignored entirely.
It has to do with Herro being a rarity and a shooter, it just heightens or elevates his likeability which again, is totally normal. Really it's mainly because people are waiting on him to fire up. Quade is a typical 4 year average guard.
If Quade wants to transfer (or any player for that matter) because of comments and attitudes by fans, then please leave. D1 sports is not meant for the weak, especially at UK.