Just heard a rumor that JT maybe done and he is currently going for a second opinion this week. Anyone else heard anything?
Is JT Done
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It was posted by MSU gif tweet then taken down. MSU SB Nation account also posted a crying gif so rumor says it’s him. Fearing the worst based on the initial rumor
Is that what our deal with his parents was? Let him pitch part of one game this season and then pull him out for the remainder? Good job.
Well if true it damn sure wasn’t from overuse. State babied his arm as much as you can and still be considered a starter.
If he’s done then he’s been hurt long before he came to State.
Used us as a rehab assignment kinda like in the pros in my opinion.
That may or may not have worked out well for him ??
We shall see.
Used us as a rehab assignment kinda like in the pros in my opinion.
That may or may not have worked out well for him ??
We shall see.
If he is in fact having TJ it might pay for him to come back in 2021 for another “rehab assignment” if he wants to get back into 1st round money.
I don’t know what or how, but something needs to be done to regulate travel ball. These coaches are overusing their horses and nobody pays attention until the kids hit 20 years old and need TJ surgery. By then, the kid is either in college or the pros, and the travel ball coach who overused them a couple years earlier never has to take responsibility for it. It happens too frequently.
You can’t draw anything from what I’m about to say...Not in the same realm for talent.....but as someone who was diagnosed with a partial tear my JR year of high school
...I opted to rehab my arm for 5 months....threw around 83-84 with partial tendon tear my Senior year....it never healed. Hurts till this day. I’ll prob have to have the surgery within 5 years, if ever.
Dr. Savory suggested I started tearing it when I was 13.
i say all of that to say this.....some of these injuries are “pop”. Some progressively get worse. The inning restrictions and the loss of control at times...symptoms of hurt arm.
I bet his forearm started hurting along time ago.
I hate it for the kid. **** hurts and is frustrating....especially when everything else is peaking at 22 year old....or however old he is 17ing sucks
...I opted to rehab my arm for 5 months....threw around 83-84 with partial tendon tear my Senior year....it never healed. Hurts till this day. I’ll prob have to have the surgery within 5 years, if ever.
Dr. Savory suggested I started tearing it when I was 13.
i say all of that to say this.....some of these injuries are “pop”. Some progressively get worse. The inning restrictions and the loss of control at times...symptoms of hurt arm.
I bet his forearm started hurting along time ago.
I hate it for the kid. **** hurts and is frustrating....especially when everything else is peaking at 22 year old....or however old he is 17ing sucks
It’s the psycho parents that would freak out if Jr doesn’t pitch, it’s dead frea
Making the lineup out.
Making the lineup out.
But wait......that travel team coach got himself a trophy and medal for winning the Pine County weekend tournament and even took them boys to the 14 year old World Series in the Bayou Bottom of Louisiana. He probably has the hardware on full display in his den along with copies of the local newspaper coverage telling the story of the week. And don’t forget all the glory that pitcher received for striking out 12 and giving up only two hits in the championship game. That was late Saturday night when the game ended. Then the following Monday he is back on the mound in the local rec league. And it goes on and on, all for glory, through high school. Then the kid hits a wall at age 19-21.
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You can say all you want about travel ball, and most of it is true. But JT has been coddled like hell with his pitch counts since Jr. High. That tells me that with certain players it is simply inevitable based on their bodies and their throwing motion, neither of which can undergo any sort of significant change in 2-3 years of college ball.
my father was this until I blew it out and handed him the ball on a mound visit during district tournament, Dixie youth 13. It isn’t/ wasn’t just travel ball
i was a pitcher but I also played SS 3rd and wherever else a strong arm was needed. It was a gift and a curse. Threw it as hard as I could, every chance I got.
what ultimately did me in was throwing the max innings allowed plus the excessive wall ball with tennis ball, back to a wiffleball ball trying to strike my friends out in the back yard...
back to a game of 120 pitches...back to the dirt clod mound where I threw 400 dirt clods....back to my front steps where I threw a tennis ball into a small square for hours...back to the wall ball before game...then another 5-6 inning walkathon.....then another 70-80 pitches after the game with friends, see who can throw it the hardest....
It wasn’t all on my father. I chose to throw that tennis ball around after many many warnings from many people.
If you are a father, and have a son the ages of 9-15, and plan to pitch him...... be as cautious as you can. It’s one thing to have a kid who jumps really high...runs really fast... but it’s a dime a dozen who have the gift of a golden arm.
Highly sought after, dont 17 it up.
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That makes sense with what we've seen from JT. We kept wondering why he didn't pitch all summer or this past fall very much. I bet he's been hurt awhile.
Pretty sure it wasn't travel ball. He barely pitched in high school, rumors were his dad told the coach in high school when he could pitch and how long could pitch. He was a 5 inning guy last year. Kid has been managed with baby gloves this entire time. He should have took the money.
Could be a silver lining for the dawgs though. He was never going to be a guy that went 7-8 innings like Pilk and Small did. There are some other good arms on the team and now you don't have to baby your Friday night guy. You need a bulldog in that role and a guy that can go deep into games to set the pen up for the rest of the series. Ginn just was never going to be that.
Could be a silver lining for the dawgs though. He was never going to be a guy that went 7-8 innings like Pilk and Small did. There are some other good arms on the team and now you don't have to baby your Friday night guy. You need a bulldog in that role and a guy that can go deep into games to set the pen up for the rest of the series. Ginn just was never going to be that.
I think there are a lot better ways to sure up Friday nights than to have your Friday night starter potentially have a serious injury. So I think it’s a pretty big stretch to spin this as a potentially good thing. Doesn’t it make us weaker on Saturday’s and Sunday’s even if MacLeod can be a quality ace?
Travel ball is just the latest buzz word. Nothing inherently wrong with travel ball or rec ball or whatever ball if that's your thing. You can overdo it in any league. The issue is multiple things:
1) Playing year round
2) High pitch counts, and little rest between intense throwing
3) Trying to throw harder than you are capable, and training to throw this way, which leads to bad mechanics
4) Kids are weaker these days, they may have more muscle mass, but their tendons and the 'cock strong' muscles are weak
All of these have a role to play. Parents and coaches all at fault, as well as the players. You have to look at what changed in this current era, that wasn't happening back before the 90s.
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Pitching luck hasn't started well. Down goes Brandon Smith, and now I guess down goes JT Ginn. And we are only 3 games into the season.
Facts are JT was never going to be moved from Friday nights. And it likely was going to be an issue all season. MacLeod looks more like your typical Friday guy than Ginn ever has.
Gunn threw more than 90 pitches 2 times last season. Went 4-4 with a 4.30 era in sec starts, and averaged less than 5 innings a start.
He was given his Friday night gig based on where he was drafted, not where he pitched. I feel confident the team can fill his shoes.
Doesn't even come close to 2017, and that team made a Super. Ford, Small, James, Padgett, Breaux, Hughes. Never seen anything like that year. Even one of our JUCOs stayed hurt, Marze, who was supposed to make an impact.
This is why we brought in all those JUCOs.
But that's what doesn't make sense. If he's been closely managed for years, why in the world do you let him go to college?
I mean, you've invested all this time into taking care of his golden arm, then you get right at payday and say - no thanks, we'll take a chance throwing in college for a few more years.
I mean, you've invested all this time into taking care of his golden arm, then you get right at payday and say - no thanks, we'll take a chance throwing in college for a few more years.
I guess on the positive side, at least we don't still have Wes Johnson around to keep destroying arms.
^^^^^ This is the issue. It's not travel ball in and of itself. It's kids who play travel, rec and then school ball in succession without proper rest. One coach doesnt know what the other is doing. The better the kid is, the more likely the abuse is to happen.
And the parents are mainly to blame, but the problems dont surface until years later. Some coaches get their rocks off wanting to look 'hard' but what they are really doing is killing a kids passion for the game by over practicing. You add in lessons and the reps in that, plus anytime the kid plays for fun and you have the recipe for his arm to wear out before he gets out of high school.
My brother described to me the process of trying to walk on at MSU in the early 90's and he said that by the time he got cut at the very end, he was simply worn out with it. It had been his dream all his life to play for state, and he wanted it so badly making it through the Jr college ranks, but at the end he was mentally and physically exhausted. This was pre travel ball days when it was American Legion ball was the only thing outside of rec leagues. I cant imagine it now. I'm glad my kids are done with the sports with their senior year in High School.
Watching him (and the rest of Arkansas) lose that championship series was one of the greatest non-MSU college baseball memories I have.
I am wondering, if it really is just arm soreness and no surgery ends up being needed, could he still play as a position player or DH some? He did that a little even last year.