Yeah but Wendell coming back would make us happy. So there's that.
Is Carter staying???
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I personally believe there is NO chance of Carter returning..
But if he did, this would pretty much assure the bench players would have very little minutes (like this past season).. so I’m afraid we would see some transfers (and/or Bolden going pro)..
With that being said, we might not need a bench if Carter returned.
But if he did, this would pretty much assure the bench players would have very little minutes (like this past season).. so I’m afraid we would see some transfers (and/or Bolden going pro)..
With that being said, we might not need a bench if Carter returned.
No one called you an idiot. I might have thought you were nuts, but not an idiot. Besides, you just had a feeling....you really weren’t basing it on anything that everyone didn’t already know.
For the record, I didn’t think he’d come back then and I don’t think he’s coming back now. The chances haven’t even improved, IMO. There’s a certain reality to ending your college career and joining the real world....I think that’s probably what Wendell is struggling with most. I’m sure he ‘wants’ to come back, a lot of these kids ‘want’ to, to an extent. But @DukeDenver did a really nice job laying out why it would be in his best interest not to come back.
That said, Wendell wouldn’t be the first kid to go against the grain. I’d gladly welcome back and be more than happy to be wrong.
I could see Wendell coming back. He is a great student like other said on this site. Not many great big men in next year’s draft class besides Bol Bol. He is top 5 pick next year easily.
His draft stack won’t decline unless he gets injured. He play for team loaded with talent and he will play the 5.
His draft stack won’t decline unless he gets injured. He play for team loaded with talent and he will play the 5.
Carter would/could be up there for NPOY..... dude is special!!
Anybody who watched his emotion vs Kansas knows how much he cared about the name on front
Anybody who watched his emotion vs Kansas knows how much he cared about the name on front
I think Wendell is struggling with the decision, but ultimately decides to go. I would absolutely LOVE to be wrong. We would be freaky good with him back.
If, and this a very big if, Carter came back he would be POTY. He would have an Elton Brand like sophomore campaign. Oh to dream.
POTY? You think so? Most assume he wouldn't even be the best player on the team.
2 reasons to stay. 1st, happiness. Maybe he absolutely loves where he is right now. The team. Playing college ball. Being a student. The college community. His mom at the games. Maybe he wants to enjoy more of all of that before basketball becomes a job, a grind. 2nd, maybe a diffetent role and and an opportunity to showcase an expanded game is tempting enough to try to raise his draft stock. Duvall was not a pick and roll PG. Defenses had no reason not to go under every high screen for him. Jones very well may be. If Jones is a good pick and roll guy, Carter could really expand his game if he can hit the 3/pick and pop and effectively roll to the basket. That could change how he is looked at by NBA folks.
Not saying these or any other reasons are enough for him to stay, but, he is a different kind of kid. As with everything else in life, we will see.
Not saying these or any other reasons are enough for him to stay, but, he is a different kind of kid. As with everything else in life, we will see.
Duval was definitely a pick and roll point guard. He's an attacker. Duke just doesn't run a lot of pick and roll. Coach K is more into running plays. And our best play this year was feeding the post. That was option number 1
Still don't believe he will come back. He clearly doesn't listen to his momma. She told him Harvard and he said "no".
well after the loss to kansas i was sitting at my golf club and exchanging views with my duke sports alum who is in touch with a lot of the athletes at duke. he stated that carter took the kansas loss very hard and there was talk of his returning at that point.
i kind of dismissed this as the usual post loss emotion and that carter would eventually declare for the draft. he tried to hint that he thought it was more than that.....
we'll see.
i kind of dismissed this as the usual post loss emotion and that carter would eventually declare for the draft. he tried to hint that he thought it was more than that.....
we'll see.
His mom did an interview with a local affiliate in Raleigh before the Kansas game. It was aired during halftime of the Kansas/Duke game. She talked about how important he valued his education, that he loved Duke, and wanted to get his education. Many said and say that he can get his degree in the league. Which is very very true but the way she said it and why she answered that way still has me scratching my head.
I think his mom is just talking out of both sides of her mouth, and trying to sound better after coming off like an idiot. Didn't she say during tournament something about the one and done rule being a con, or something to that effect? Now she turns around and says she wants her son to stay?
I'll eat crow, but he's gone. His mom is trying to do damage control.
I'll eat crow, but he's gone. His mom is trying to do damage control.
It's as simple as this: Wendell is guaranteed anywhere from 8 million to 6 million depending on where he's picked. By guaranteed I am saying his leg could fall off, he could die or he could simply go through the motions and not try at all, and he/his mom still gets all that money. It would be a huge, silly risk to do anything but enter the draft.
You are set for life, realize the dream of making the NBA and will be playing for the chance to earn 100+ million dollars more playing the game of basketball.
Wendell - "But mom, I am really looking forward to taking that 'History of Hip Hop' class"
Mom - "I already sent in your NBA paperwork."
You are set for life, realize the dream of making the NBA and will be playing for the chance to earn 100+ million dollars more playing the game of basketball.
Wendell - "But mom, I am really looking forward to taking that 'History of Hip Hop' class"
Mom - "I already sent in your NBA paperwork."
I was in my Learjet headed toward the Galapagos when I got a call from Wendell's moms 3rd cousin on her father's side and she told me WC said after the KU game that Wendell said he was coming back but he was really caught up in the emotion of the moment. Things have settled down now and he is really struggling with the decision.
One thing is for sure. Whether it be talking about WC's situation or the FBI investigation, the thing that keeps coming into mind is that a lot of these kids are not allowed to just be kids. They have a lot of pressure and responsibility to be the provider in the family and what kid doesn't want to make their parents or guardian happy.
I was told as a kid that life is about experiences and money can't buy or replace those. And in the world we're talking about, money is the only thing that matters. A lot of these kids are going to miss out on a lot of normal kid experiences because of the "adults" in the family want to drive an Escalade instead of a Taurus.
I'm not saying that is the case in WC's case, because going is the right business decision. But how many 18-19 year olds really give a **** about business, if given the choice.
I was told as a kid that life is about experiences and money can't buy or replace those. And in the world we're talking about, money is the only thing that matters. A lot of these kids are going to miss out on a lot of normal kid experiences because of the "adults" in the family want to drive an Escalade instead of a Taurus.
I'm not saying that is the case in WC's case, because going is the right business decision. But how many 18-19 year olds really give a **** about business, if given the choice.
This is true. These guys are much more than "student-athletes."
If Wendell comes back I may actually become an optimist.
I think this post has a lot of merit. This is the last time things will be "easy" as a basketball player. Post college, hoops becomes a job. A pressure cooker of a job. It may be a little daunting, but I ultimately think he goes.
As Yogi would say "there's a 90%chance he's going,the other half says he stays"
Carter leaves. Grayson attends grad school and plays an extra year just to further tick off everyone who hates him.
If you're going to go with a Bombardier instead of a Gulfstream, at least go with the Challenger. Increases your flight range by 50%. The Lear can't even get you to London or Hawaii.
Playing for Duke could be very stressful for some as well. Some thrive on it; but I wonder if dealing with that level of hate can get to some players. Who knows.
"He wants an education"
I have always been interested to know how it all works. So the OADs complete 1 full year at Duke? Then the University/the specific major department honors their spot whenever they decide to return?
I guess my question is, most degrees require at-least 4 years, so what is so big about finishing that 2nd Year now versus just returning after their Pro Career. I know some guys do it simultaneously (Shaq) but quite rarely
I have always been interested to know how it all works. So the OADs complete 1 full year at Duke? Then the University/the specific major department honors their spot whenever they decide to return?
I guess my question is, most degrees require at-least 4 years, so what is so big about finishing that 2nd Year now versus just returning after their Pro Career. I know some guys do it simultaneously (Shaq) but quite rarely
Well, I do think the education thing does play a more of a factor for some kids than it does others. I mean, a lot of people here went to college, and I'd venture to guess all of us had friends who were there more for the parties and college dynamics than the education. Some of us may have even been one of those guys.
My point is, I don't think with Wendell that education is just something they're saying. I do think it matters. Now, that doesn't mean he cares less about his education if he doesn't come back next season. As has been pointed out, he can still take advantage of said education and leave for the NBA now. His situation is completely different than 99.9% of people, though. There's some folks on this board who worked 40+ years and never made in that timeframe the kind of money Wendell stands to make just next season.
I know, I know....money is not everything. I'm well aware of that, too. But as a 19-year-old, how many of us would have held on to the lottery ticket for another full year, let alone a few months or weeks?
It sounds as though Wendell is struggling to make a final decision. He must do what he wants to do. It may be that he knows the answer, but that answer might be hard for him to come to grips with, as well.
My point is, I don't think with Wendell that education is just something they're saying. I do think it matters. Now, that doesn't mean he cares less about his education if he doesn't come back next season. As has been pointed out, he can still take advantage of said education and leave for the NBA now. His situation is completely different than 99.9% of people, though. There's some folks on this board who worked 40+ years and never made in that timeframe the kind of money Wendell stands to make just next season.
I know, I know....money is not everything. I'm well aware of that, too. But as a 19-year-old, how many of us would have held on to the lottery ticket for another full year, let alone a few months or weeks?
It sounds as though Wendell is struggling to make a final decision. He must do what he wants to do. It may be that he knows the answer, but that answer might be hard for him to come to grips with, as well.
Whatever his decision the deliberation has given a positive spin to WC's mom's recent comments reference the problems of the college game.
OFC
thats the analogy I use all the time, its easy for us to say come back and get your education, because its not us or our child in the situation...we are fans......if you won the mega millions today, how long are you gonna sit on that ticket?...you're not, you cashing that baby in without delay
Wendell could get hurt and he’d probably still be a top 10 pick. The nba doesn’t care about injuries. Giles was still a 1st rounder after doing almost nothing for two years . Nerlins Noel #6 pick in the draft torn acl. They’ll draft you based on potential almost regardless of what happens to you. I understand what you’re saying though about losing money and I get that. My point is carter will be okay waiting another year. Kids still going to get drafted, make millions and his second contract will still be huge. Staying an extra year isn’t the death sentence it’s made to be.
Would you stay the extra year? Would you advise your kid to stay an extra year?
I get what you're saying. An injury isn't a death sentence. But injuries happen. Sometimes their long term effects are more detrimental than others. For completely selfish reasons, I'd love to see him return, too. It would be good for Duke's outlook next season. But I'm trying not to use that as my gauge as to why he should return. I'm not saying you are, but I have little doubt that's exactly the reason a lot of fans are using.