I can see one thing very clearly. The age of the well informed basketball savvy Cats fan has ended.
Is Cal slipping?
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Listen man I'm really not trying to be negative but something just isn't right in the recruiting world anymore. I wouldn't put it past Whitney not being here next year the recruiting isn't the same it was back when Brandon Knight was recruited to UK. UK just isn't the IT school anymore I hope I'm wrong and I hope he comes and I hope Calipari gets more top guys to come with him!
Sure and the #1, 2 and 3 player in the country. Should we compare apples to oranges now? Also both teams have 1 loss. Sure they blew us out, but in a perfect storm situation. Came out making everything and we couldn't hit anything, not even wide open shots. We didn't get the dook team vs Army or the Zags. We got them at their very best and us at our worst. With a horrible start.
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Sure buddy. 3 years ago Final four and 38-1. 2 years ago elite 8 and a really questionable call against UNCheat to go to the final four. Last year sweet sixteen and PJ (hurt finger) went 8-20 from the line including missing front end one and ones down the stretch which are like TOs. Cal can't shoot FT's for the guys and that's a lot of misses. Through in some SEC titles and not too bad in my eyes. Would I love a title in there. Sure just like everyone else, but hardly bad by any teams standards.
I get it, but man 4 years ago look at that 38-1 team. 2 years ago we had Fox, the best PG in the nation and Monk plus Bam. Last year we had SGA and got Knox here. It hasn't exactly been horrible.
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hmmmmm, you are including the Higgins year?
explain that **** to everyone here?
c'mon. explain how Cal was going to win that game?
Cal can do no wrong. He rescued us from the Gillespie years. He recruits the best of the best. Everyone needs to relax.
Do you not watch us play? Our offense is broken, what do what other teams run have to do with anything?
I agree with you that things have not been near as bad as some people are saying but 3 years ago we went 27-9 and lost in the 2nd round to IU. The 38-1 team was 4 years ago.
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Statistically, yes Cal is slipping - and has been since 2015.
Win % is down, post season % is down and we have a pitiful record against top 20 teams and have been pummeled by fellow blue bloods. If you don't think he is slipping then you are ignoring the numbers over the last 3 years.
Something needs to change.
Win % is down, post season % is down and we have a pitiful record against top 20 teams and have been pummeled by fellow blue bloods. If you don't think he is slipping then you are ignoring the numbers over the last 3 years.
Something needs to change.
THIS. ^^^^^ UK is 0-3 vs. Kansas, 1-1 vs. Duke, 1-1 vs. UNCheat, 1-3 vs. UCLA..3-8 vs. bluebloods. UK is also 2-1 vs. Loserville and 0-1 vs. Indiana. UK is also 3-3 vs. Florida and 3-4 vs. Tennessee. UK is also 6-3 in the NCAA Tournament. The defense has been pretty bad overall the last 3+ seasons now. All of this since the beginning of the 2015-16 season.
One could argue that it's not fair to ignore or forget 2009-10 through 2014-15..but that's not what I'm doing. Of course those seasons were awesome and Coach Cal did an incredible job (Except for getting outcoached by Bo Ryan in 2015 and whoever the **** UConn's Coach was in 2014)..but I'm just comparing the difference between those seasons and the last 3+ seasons. One could also say that 2017 should have been a Final 4 if not for Higgins and I won't deny that but we also had a late lead in that UNC Elite 8 game as well and simply blew it. Coach Cal is still the right man for the job and hopefully he is here for a long time from now but there is definitely some "slippage" or a difference or whatever you want to call it these last 3+ seasons. And that's just facts.
Some people are saying he is slipping with recruiting also. Seriously? The #1 player was coming. There is not much you can do about the Penny thing, sucks! I saw this on SeaofBlue and it sums up exactly how I feel with some saying Cal doesn't have it anymore with recruits:
"Remember last season Calipari was left for dead and then got EJ Montgomery, Ashton Hagans, and Reid Travis all to come to Kentucky.
Cal’s teams, with the exception of two, take a while to become defensively locked down. Nothing is out of the ordinary here. But as usual, Kentucky fans are ready to jump off of a bridge.
I’m here to tell you to chill out. Everything is going to be fine."
The point is for those saying he's slipping with coaching, its been 6 games, seriously, give it a chance. As for recruiting we have the #3 class and 2 top 10 kids. No one else does right now and Cal will add more. Not to mention a Ky kid most of us have wanted. Now if Whit backs out that's a different story, but others haven't signed before and it has worked out fine. Cal has had 1 in 10yrs, Jeffries. We have stole more than we have lost by a large margin.
"Remember last season Calipari was left for dead and then got EJ Montgomery, Ashton Hagans, and Reid Travis all to come to Kentucky.
Cal’s teams, with the exception of two, take a while to become defensively locked down. Nothing is out of the ordinary here. But as usual, Kentucky fans are ready to jump off of a bridge.
I’m here to tell you to chill out. Everything is going to be fine."
The point is for those saying he's slipping with coaching, its been 6 games, seriously, give it a chance. As for recruiting we have the #3 class and 2 top 10 kids. No one else does right now and Cal will add more. Not to mention a Ky kid most of us have wanted. Now if Whit backs out that's a different story, but others haven't signed before and it has worked out fine. Cal has had 1 in 10yrs, Jeffries. We have stole more than we have lost by a large margin.
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UK took 42 shots in Sweet 16 game in 2018. In the age of Golden State and the age of Villanova, 42 shots.
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Recruiting has changed, everyone is getting 1&Done now...spread out. Used to be like 2 schools recruiting it, Cal practically invented it. We've had some bad breaks, luck, kharma, I dunno, but it isn't on Cal. People trying to show him the door need to take a dose of reality pills. The guy is a gem, best fit for a coach here ever. You may be growing tired of his narrative, but every coach has one.
This team is getting better in spurts now. They have the makeup of a title team and need KJ to become the star that he has potential to be.
whats to explain about a screw job and a last second shot away from a Himalayas 4 2 years ago and 38-1 4 years ago
You finally said something right!! “Everyone needs to relax”. Cal certainly makes mistake and yes he resurrected the program from a very dark place to a place we’re fans are pissed that we haven’t been to a final four the past 3 years and we only get multiple players ranked 6 through 10.
Yep.... it sucks to be us!
astern) (1997–2007)
1997-98 Tubby Smith 35-4 14-2 1st (East) NCAA Champion
1998-99 Tubby Smith 28-9 11-5 2nd (East) NCAA Elite Eight
1999-2000 Tubby Smith 23-10 12-4 t-1st (East) NCAA Round of 32
2000-01 Tubby Smith 24-10 12-4 t-1st (East) NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2001-02 Tubby Smith 22-10 10-6 t-1st (East) NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2002-03 Tubby Smith 32-4 16-0 1st (East) NCAA Elite Eight
2003-04 Tubby Smith 27-5 13-3 1st (East) NCAA Round of 32
2004-05 Tubby Smith 28-6 14-2 1st (East) NCAA Elite Eight
2005-06 Tubby Smith 22-13 9-7 3rd (East) NCAA Round of 32
2006-07 Tubby Smith 22-12 9-7 4th (East) NCAA Round of 32
Tubby Smith: 263-83 120-40
Billy Gillispie (Southeastern) (2007–2009)
2007-08 Billy Gillispie 18-13 12-4 2nd (East) NCAA First Round
2008-09 Billy Gillispie 22-14 8-8 4th (East) NIT Quarterfinals
Billy Gillispie: 40-27 20-12
John Calipari (Southeastern) (2009–present)
2009-10 John Calipari 35-3 14-2 1st (East) NCAA Elite Eight
2010-11 John Calipari 29-9 10-6 2nd (East) NCAA Final Four
2011-12 John Calipari 38-2 16-0 1st^^ NCAA Champion
2012-13 John Calipari 21-12 12-6 2nd NIT First Round
2013-14 John Calipari 29-11 12-6 2nd NCAA Runner-up
2014-15 John Calipari 38-1 18-0 1st NCAA Final Four
2015-16 John Calipari 27-9 13-5 2nd NCAA Round of 32
2016-17 John Calipari 32-5 16-2 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2017-18 John Calipari 26-11 10-8 4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
John Calipari: 249-52 111-27
If we lose 10 or more games this year and flame out early, not much difference in Tubby and Cal's records here, each won one title, but Cal gets much better recruits than did Tubby.
1997-98 Tubby Smith 35-4 14-2 1st (East) NCAA Champion
1998-99 Tubby Smith 28-9 11-5 2nd (East) NCAA Elite Eight
1999-2000 Tubby Smith 23-10 12-4 t-1st (East) NCAA Round of 32
2000-01 Tubby Smith 24-10 12-4 t-1st (East) NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2001-02 Tubby Smith 22-10 10-6 t-1st (East) NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2002-03 Tubby Smith 32-4 16-0 1st (East) NCAA Elite Eight
2003-04 Tubby Smith 27-5 13-3 1st (East) NCAA Round of 32
2004-05 Tubby Smith 28-6 14-2 1st (East) NCAA Elite Eight
2005-06 Tubby Smith 22-13 9-7 3rd (East) NCAA Round of 32
2006-07 Tubby Smith 22-12 9-7 4th (East) NCAA Round of 32
Tubby Smith: 263-83 120-40
Billy Gillispie (Southeastern) (2007–2009)
2007-08 Billy Gillispie 18-13 12-4 2nd (East) NCAA First Round
2008-09 Billy Gillispie 22-14 8-8 4th (East) NIT Quarterfinals
Billy Gillispie: 40-27 20-12
John Calipari (Southeastern) (2009–present)
2009-10 John Calipari 35-3 14-2 1st (East) NCAA Elite Eight
2010-11 John Calipari 29-9 10-6 2nd (East) NCAA Final Four
2011-12 John Calipari 38-2 16-0 1st^^ NCAA Champion
2012-13 John Calipari 21-12 12-6 2nd NIT First Round
2013-14 John Calipari 29-11 12-6 2nd NCAA Runner-up
2014-15 John Calipari 38-1 18-0 1st NCAA Final Four
2015-16 John Calipari 27-9 13-5 2nd NCAA Round of 32
2016-17 John Calipari 32-5 16-2 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2017-18 John Calipari 26-11 10-8 4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
John Calipari: 249-52 111-27
If we lose 10 or more games this year and flame out early, not much difference in Tubby and Cal's records here, each won one title, but Cal gets much better recruits than did Tubby.
Yes they each have 1 title. Then Cal took us to another title game and 4 final fours. I realize 2017 did not go to the final four but that was indeed a final four team that took a world class screw job to beat it.
There is s no comparison and honestly not even close.
I agree with you to the point of do I want Tubby or Cal as coach, I take Cal, no question. I posted that just for the stats. Something to discuss.
Short memory, last year's team many wondered if they weren't an NIT team, losing streak in conference the sky was falling then it all came together and they made a run. This team could very well end up playing in the final 4. We'll learn a lot when they play UNC, KU and some of the other big names. I'll never count Cal out until he quits coaching.
You're right he's the right guy for the job but he has got to CHANGE and sometimes he seems to stubborn in his ways!
Say what you want but:
1) His recruiting is slipping he isn't getting the cream of the crop so there for we haven't made a final four since he hasn't gotten any of the STUDS.
2) Since he let Bo Ryan out coach him in 2015 in the final 4 and then we had the easiest road we will ever have to the final 4 last year and he let Bruce freaking Weber out coach him.
3) We have coaches on the staff that aren't getting it done on the recruiting trail. I don't need to name the name of the players that they haven't been able to close the deal on the past 3-4 years because the list is long. I know they are getting the 11-40 but I'm talking the 1-5 sure fire STUDS.
It's like I said above he's the right guy for the job because he has the ego for the job but he has got to be willing to change with the times and if he isn't then he's going to be left behind like he's starting to be!
Why would you not “put it past Whitney to not be here next year?” He has given absolutely zero indication that he won’t be here.
Don’t be dramatic just to be dramatic ya know?
The recruiting can be easily explained (let’s not forget we already have the #7 and #9 players in the country already commited ... and both will likely rise in the rankings) is that really that awful? 99.9% of other schools also are having difficult times landing the 1-3 elites.
Now, as opposed to Cals first 6 years here, we have a plethora of schools recruiting (and landing one and dones)
Duke; KU, Nevada , LSU, Miami, Oklahoma, Vanderbilt, Oregon, UNLV, California, Bama, ole miss, Zona, UNC... and many many more. It’s way way WAY more spread out as opposed to before when it wasn’t mostly UK recruiting the one and dones and sorta kinda Duke and KU
Not to mention, it actually being proven, that other schools are PAYING players (Zona, Miami, Duke...KU) and buying their families $1 million dollar homes (facts not speculation)
That is why you are seeing a “slip” in recruiting (and even with all that Cal/UK have dipped no further than #2 in recruiting rankings since 2009. Literally 98% of other schools would kill to have our recruiting success and already have two legit top 10 guys reeled in a year early
Your time has come and gone. You came and posted nonsense, now it's time for you to go....