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dpic73

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Any military person saying Trump is insane to a public forum will be x military very quickly
I named three past ones who said he was unfit and asked if there were any past or present who said he was.

This four-star admiral said the same.

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TigerGrowls

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I can but you can't because you're a magat and magats aren't rational people. My grandfather kissed me and my sister on the head every time we visted growing up - was he a pedophile?
Dpic a kiss on the forehead is a long way from an old man taking a shower with his teenage grand daughter. Come on man.
 

dpic73

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All three of them were dangerously unfit to command
BS, they were extremely competent men who had the unfortunate task of trying to reason with a deranged lunatic who dislikes competence and demands loyalty to himself over the Constitution.
 

dpic73

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Dpic a kiss on the forehead is a long way from an old man taking a shower with his teenage grand daughter. Come on man.
How do you know how old she was? I posted her diary above so please read it for yourself and point out where she said she was a teenager. You can't because she didn't say that but you beleve it because Catturd did
 

TigerGrowls

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How do you know how old she was? I posted her diary above so please read it for yourself and point out where she said she was a teenager. You can't because she didn't say that but you beleve it because Catturd did
It was the timeline. General consensus is she was a teenager that had reached puberty. Wow!!! That is sick!!!
 

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All three of them were dangerously unfit to command
Palmetto: Occasionally, you post something I agree with, or that I consider reasonably intelligent. This ^^^^ is not one of those occasions. All three of those senior generals had long and distinguished military careers. Trump disagreed with them and, naturally, criticized them. So?! He appointed and worked with them before that. Trump is the one who is manifestly unfit to serve. He wears diapers and a Foley catheter, for Chrissake!
 
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dpic73

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It was the timeline. General consensus is she was a teenager that had reached puberty. Wow!!! That is sick!!!
Magadonia made that up as part of their endless war on truth in order to help the anti-Christ win an election, because that's what demon followers do. I'm positive a teenager would refuse to do that anyway.
 

TigerGrowls

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Magadonia made that up as part of their endless war on truth in order to help the anti-Christ win an election, because that's what demon followers do. I'm positive a teenager would refuse to do that anyway.
So you have went religious on us here and think Trump is the anti christ???
 

baltimorened

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BS, they were extremely competent men who had the unfortunate task of trying to reason with a deranged lunatic who dislikes competence and demands loyalty to himself over the Constitution.
so, admiral Mcraven speaks for all veterans...I don't think so...I've seen pictures of lots of vets with trump signs...he shouldn't use the word "US"
 

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so, admiral Mcraven speaks for all veterans...I don't think so...I've seen pictures of lots of vets with trump signs...he shouldn't use the word "US"
Just another guy with an opinion.

doesn’t speak for me.
 

dpic73

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Just another guy with an opinion.

doesn’t speak for me.
Do you think it's only a minority of the people that believe he's embarrassed us on the world stage?

Do you think Trump has united us? I'm guessing you must believe he has if you feel McRaven is wrong.
 

baltimorened

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Do you think it's only a minority of the people that believe he's embarrassed us on the world stage?

Do you think Trump has united us? I'm guessing you must believe he has if you feel McRaven is wrong.
I don't think trump has united us...but, if we're being fair, I don't think Schumer, Pelosi, Jeffries, Swawell and a lot of others on both sides of the aisle have united us either. United sort of implies that idealists from both sides work together...The shutdowns over the last few months indicate clearly, to me at least, that members of both parties are more interested in power than unity.
 

dpic73

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I don't think trump has united us...but, if we're being fair, I don't think Schumer, Pelosi, Jeffries, Swawell and a lot of others on both sides of the aisle have united us either. United sort of implies that idealists from both sides work together...The shutdowns over the last few months indicate clearly, to me at least, that members of both parties are more interested in power than unity.
So your analysis posits that people in the opposite party who are NOT the president, reacted negatively to the most divisive PRESIDENT in history. That's some good both sides stuff there Ned haha.
 

baltimorened

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So your analysis posits that people in the opposite party who are NOT the president, reacted negatively to the most divisive PRESIDENT in history. That's some good both sides stuff there Ned haha.
you misread what I posted. You posit that the nation was united before trump was elected.I don't think that's accurate. It's my opinion that we have been disunited since the election in 2000 and the arguments over the Bush/gore election. I think it's a wild assumption that Obama somehow had a united country, ot trump1, or Biden.

The country has not been divided for some time....pre trump even...so blaming trump is, in my opinion, disingenuous.

Now if you posit that Trump hasn't done anything to unite the country, then I would agree with you. But I would also posit that it takes two to be united...

do you think that we were united as a country after Obama or Biden? We could go back and look at posts from those eras
 
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you misread what I posted. You posit that the nation was united before trump was elected.I don't think that's accurate. It's my opinion that we have been disunited since the election in 2000 and the arguments over the Bush/gore election. I think it's a wild assumption that Obama somehow had a united country, ot trump1, or Biden.

The country has not been divided for some time....pre trump even...so blaming trump is, in my opinion, disingenuous.

Now if you posit that Trump hasn't done anything to unite the country, then I would agree with you. But I would also posit that it takes two to be united...

do you think that we were united as a country after Obama or Biden? We could go back and look at posts from those eras
The proof is in the pudding!!
 

dpic73

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you misread what I posted. You posit that the nation was united before trump was elected.I don't think that's accurate. It's my opinion that we have been disunited since the election in 2000 and the arguments over the Bush/gore election. I think it's a wild assumption that Obama somehow had a united country, ot trump1, or Biden.

The country has not been divided for some time....pre trump even...so blaming trump is, in my opinion, disingenuous.

Now if you posit that Trump hasn't done anything to unite the country, then I would agree with you. But I would also posit that it takes two to be united...

do you think that we were united as a country after Obama or Biden? We could go back and look at posts from those eras
We've never been 100% united because politics are inherently divisive but there is no analog for what we've experienced the last ten years since Trump came along. He openly insults and demeans the left and maga loves it. That's not normal but hopefully we can become more united in the future though that feels like a pipe dream as long as he's alive and he has his devoted base.

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We've never been 100% united because politics are inherently divisive but there is no analog for what we've experienced the last ten years since Trump came along. He openly insults and demeans the left and maga loves it. That's not normal but hopefully we can become more united in the future though that feels like a pipe dream as long as he's alive and he has his devoted base.

View attachment 1255759so, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying trump is a uniter. he's not...my point was that neither was Bush, Obama, trump 1 or Biden..

Just as an example, one I'm pretty sure you'll disagree with..Mattis said this during trumps's first term...so how did Biden overcome the nation's divide during his term.

Now you'll likely add that Trump divides us more....to which I'll reply you're either united or you're not...and we'll go on and on
 

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Just as an example, one I'm pretty sure you'll disagree with..Mattis said this during trumps's first term...so how did Biden overcome the nation's divide during his term.

Now you'll likely add that Trump divides us more....to which I'll reply you're either united or you're not...and we'll go on and on
Because Trump didn't magically disappear when Biden became president, that's how. His little twitter thumbs and non-stop campaigning wouldn't allow us any peace.
 

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you misread what I posted. You posit that the nation was united before trump was elected.I don't think that's accurate. It's my opinion that we have been disunited since the election in 2000 and the arguments over the Bush/gore election. I think it's a wild assumption that Obama somehow had a united country, ot trump1, or Biden.

The country has not been divided for some time....pre trump even...so blaming trump is, in my opinion, disingenuous.

Now if you posit that Trump hasn't done anything to unite the country, then I would agree with you. But I would also posit that it takes two to be united...

do you think that we were united as a country after Obama or Biden? We could go back and look at posts from those eras

Although there are always ways to divide I think the Obama Election of the First Black President was the start of the Toxic Divisiveness based on race

Obama gave a sympathetic ear to any Black person claiming something related to DEI

Now let me be clear that there are plenty of unfair occasions in life that people are treated unfair

I go to not trying to fix what happened 200 years ago

Fix today

Provide opportunity through literacy in education and culture

Work to offer better health outcomes for all people through a unified Congress building a better health care system

Have the best legal and safety and security in the US and on the world stage

Practice meritocracy NOT EQUITY

Be humble and kind

Have faith in others and yourself

Practices wisdom and for those who do evil against others demand accountability

Believe in a God and attend a church as the cherry on top
 
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Although there are always ways to divide I think the Obama Election of the First Black President was the start of the Toxic Divisiveness based on race

Obama gave a sympathetic ear to any Black person claiming something related to DEI

Now let me be clear that there are plenty of unfair occasions in life that people are treated unfair

I go to not trying to fix what happened 200 years ago

Fix today

Provide opportunity through literacy in education and culture

Work to offer better health outcomes for all people through a unified Congress building a better health care system

Have the best legal and safety and security in the US and on the world stage

Practice meritocracy NOT EQUITY

Be humble and kind

Have faith in others and yourself

Practices wisdom and for those who do evil against others demand accountability

Believe in a God and attend a church as the cherry on top

That's a lot of space to type out "I'm PalmettoTiger1, and I'm super-racist."
 

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you misread what I posted. You posit that the nation was united before trump was elected.I don't think that's accurate. It's my opinion that we have been disunited since the election in 2000 and the arguments over the Bush/gore election. I think it's a wild assumption that Obama somehow had a united country, ot trump1, or Biden.

The country has not been divided for some time....pre trump even...so blaming trump is, in my opinion, disingenuous.

Now if you posit that Trump hasn't done anything to unite the country, then I would agree with you. But I would also posit that it takes two to be united...

do you think that we were united as a country after Obama or Biden? We could go back and look at posts from those eras

This is one of your worst attempts at rationalizing away Trump's awfulness. And that's saying something.

He's taken a flesh wound and turned into a quadruple amputation.

You sitting here trying to claim that we weren't perfectly united before, or that others didn't unite us either ... it's so completely tone deaf ... it's almost incomprehensible.

The saddest part is, he's not some mad genius who just outsmarted you ... you guys let an absolute idiot troll manipulate you into breaking the country apart. You won't be forgiven.
 

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I don't think trump has united us...but, if we're being fair, I don't think Schumer, Pelosi, Jeffries, Swawell and a lot of others on both sides of the aisle have united us either. United sort of implies that idealists from both sides work together...The shutdowns over the last few months indicate clearly, to me at least, that members of both parties are more interested in power than unity.
More of Ned's gaslighting for Trump in the form of "both sides do it." That dog won't hunt, Ned. No politician, much less president, has ever attacks his actual or perceived opponents as consistently or as childishly as Trump. He's going after the Pope, for Chrissake!
 

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More of Ned's gaslighting for Trump in the form of "both sides do it." That dog won't hunt, Ned. No politician, much less president, has ever attacks his actual or perceived opponents as consistently or as childishly as Trump. He's going after the Pope, for Chrissake!
ah, but you changed the topic....the issue was uniting us...attacking the pope is a factor in uniting, but is not, in itself the one thing that causes division. ( I'd wager that there are quite a few on here - now debasing trump for his opinion - who have disagreed with the pope over abortion, for example). Trump attacks his opponents, for sure...and that adds to the division, also for sure.

So, you glossed over my statements to get right to "Trump's fault".. So can you say with certainty that the country was united during the Obama years, the Biden years? If you say yea, you have a short memory....Now if you go back to my post I said that Trump has not helped the situation, and I'll add, has made it worse. But trying to put the country's division solely on Trump is disingenuous, I'll repeat.

Sometimes you tend to immediately default to "trump's fault" whenever there is an issue...Trump is his own worst enemy, We all agree. But not everything is his fault, and to me you lose credibility when your first and only thought is "trump". I've posted many times, that I don't believe that anyone - me, you, dpic, flaw, nytiger, fatpiggy - is right all the time....and the opposite is also true, none of us - and you can add trump - is wrong all the time either.

By the way, I don't gaslight for anybody. I give my opinion based on what I know and/or what I believe. You might not think the same as me, or believe/know the same as me, but that doesn't make you any smarter, wiser or correct. I recognize that someone who has gone through law school has a perspective than someone who served in the military, worked in national security....we have different filters. So wise people try to understand the thinking of others and find the means for agreement rather than immediately default to "I'm right, you're wrong"

Of course there is always the possibility that I'm simply more intelligent that a lot of you...here's what AI says about considering all sides...Yes, considering all sides before making a decision is a key sign of intelligence and intellectual humility. It demonstrates open-mindedness, critical thinking, and the ability to analyze complex scenarios, which allows people to avoid irrational conclusions and manage biases. This approach is often associated with higher-order thinking rather than purely raw cognitive power....just a thought

Oh, one more thing arguing with the pope over war and peace is dumb. By the basic definition of Christianity, the pope is going to favor peace over killing. Arguing, calling names, in public is even dumber.
 
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