IowaLaw's Objective Post Game Analysis: Wisconsin

IowaLaw

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The scariest thing in Kinnick on Halloween wasn’t the costumes in the student section. I was the look on the Badgers coach's face when he went from playoff dark horse to hot seat in a matter of 3 hours. The Hawks smoked 25th ranked Wisconsin 30-0 in the 100th meeting of this rivalry. That’s two straight shutouts and five straight wins over the Badgers, who were formerly the king of the Big 10 West.

1. Hank Brown Answers the Bell. Last week IowaLaw called it a QB crisis. Brown took offense to being called out. He went 20 of 24 (83%) for 222 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs. He also spread the ball around to seven different receivers. Did he randy around by living up to his "Check Down Brown" nickname? Yes. The guy hates to take a risk. Were many of his passes thrown behind guys preventing them from catching in stride? Definitely. But no Hawkeye QB has put together such a high completion percentage in ages (and we've had plenty of risk averse QBs in the past). If the staff was looking for a reason to stop the QB carousel, Brown just gave them one. With that said, I'm not sure why Heck didn't get a single snap even in mop up time in a 30-0 blowout given that he the starter just a week ago.

2. DJ Vonnahme: Swiss Army Knife. Clearly DJ wanted to impress George Kittle on the sidelines. His 45-yard catch on the opening drive (Wisconsin left him WIDE open for some reason) and his two touchdowns (1 receiving and 1 rushing TD) were huge. Three of Iowa’s biggest plays were run through the tight end. Iowa's TE U reputation has dipped the past couple of years. It's good to see Lester bucking the TE decline trend and getting the TE involved in his offense. Though dang, Ostrenga had another 0 catch game. He was supposed to be the next great TE at Iowa and he's averaging just 1 catch per game.

3. The Running Game: Still MIA. Before anyone starts planning for a playoff run, look at the struggling rushing attack. They had 42 carries for 140 yards on the day for 3.3 yards per carry. The long was just 20 yards and none of them seem to be able to hold on to the ball. Prior to the Minnesota game, the Hawks were leading the Big 10 at over 6 yards a carry. They garnered a coveted "A" on IowaLaw's Midterm Report Card. But Two weeks later it’s been 3.0 ypc followed by 3.3 ypc. On the opening drive the Hawks ran it eight times for just 22 yards, then ran it up the middle on 2nd and 3rd down, got nothing, and settled for a 24-yard field goal to a chorus of boos. Same ol’ run up the middle on 2nd, same ol’ settle for 3. The passing game bailed out the run game this week.

4. Red Zone: Better, Not Elite. Iowa scored on all five trips inside the 20. That’s progress after leaving points at the 2-yard line in Minneapolis. But two of those five were field goals from 24 and 28 yards. That’s a 60% touchdown rate. Against Wisconsin you get away with it. Against Ohio State you lose by 17. You can’t beat elite teams trading 3s for 7s.

5. Phil Parker’s Defense: A+. This week's ranked opponent managed just 235 total yards, including just 52 rushing yards on 24 carries (2.2 a carry). The D pitched a shutout, forced three turnovers, three three-and-outs, and two huge 4th-down stops. Their QB was 5 of 14 for 90 yards with a fumble before Wisconsin benched him late in the 3rd. My only disappointment on D was that 5 star Epenesa,, in his second year in the program, didn't register a single stat.

6. Special Teams: Buhr Bounces Back. After an awful special teams performance in Minneapolis (blocked punts, punt return fumbles, etc.), the kicking game was solid. Walk on Caden Buhr went 3 for 3 on field goals, including a career-long 54-yarder that would have been good from 60. The Hawks returned 4 punts for 51 yards (12.8 a return) and allowed 0 punt return yards. That’s the Iowa special teams fans are used to.
 
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52317Hawk

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Did Epenesa even play? I guess I'll have to go back and watch again.

I don't know how Iowa played so poorly against Minny and then came back this week and looked so sharp. I guess we'll find out what kind of team Iowa is, or isn't, against NU.
 

HawkBot

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The scariest thing in Kinnick on Halloween wasn’t the costumes in the student section. I was the look on the Badgers coach's face when he went from playoff dark horse to hot seat in a matter of 3 hours. The Hawks smoked 25th ranked Wisconsin 30-0 in the 100th meeting of this rivalry. That’s two straight shutouts and five straight wins over the Badgers, who were formerly the king of the Big 10 West.

1. Hank Brown Answers the Bell. Last week IowaLaw called it a QB crisis. Brown took offense. He went 20 of 24 (83%) for 222 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs and spread the ball around to seven different receivers. Did he randy around by living up to his "Check Down Brown" nickname? Yes. Were a lot of his passes thrown behind guys so they couldn't catch in stride? Definitely. But no Hawkeye QB has put together that kind of completion percentage in ages. If the staff was looking for a reason to stop the QB carousel, Brown just gave them one. With that said, I'm not sure why Heck didn't get a single snap even in mop up time in a 30-0 blowout given that he the starter just a week ago.

2. DJ Vonnahme: Swiss Army Knife. Clearly DJ wanted to impress George Kittle in attendance. His 45-yard catch on the opening drive (Wisconsin left him wide open for some reason) and his two touchdowns (including a rushing TD) were huge. This week, three of Iowa’s biggest plays ran through the tight end. Many have noted how Iowa's TE U reputation has dipped the past couple of years. It's glad to see Lester bucking the trend and getting the TE involved in his offense.

3. The Running Game: Still Missing in Action. Before anyone starts planning for a playoff run, look at the struggling rushing attack. 42 carries for 140 yards on the day for 3.3 yards per carry. The long was just 20 yards. Prior to the Minnesota game, the Hawks were leading the Big 10 at over 6 yards a carry. They garnered a coveted "A" on IowaLaw's Midterm Report Card. But Two weeks later it’s been 3.0 ypc followed by 3.3 ypc. On the opening drive the Hawks ran it eight times for just 22 yards, then ran it up the middle on 2nd and 3rd down, got nothing, and settled for a 24-yard field goal to a chorus of boos. Same ol’ run up the middle on 2nd, same ol’ settle for 3. The passing game bailed out the run game this week.

4. Red Zone: Better, Not Elite. Iowa scored on all five trips inside the 20. That’s progress after leaving points at the 2-yard line in Minneapolis. But two of those five were field goals from 24 and 28 yards. That’s a 60% touchdown rate. Against Wisconsin you get away with it. Against Ohio State you lose by 17. You can’t beat elite teams trading 3s for 7s.

5. Phil Parker’s Defense: A+. This week's ranked opponent managed just 235 total yards, including just 52 rushing yards on 24 carries (2.2 a carry). The D pitched a shutout, forced three turnovers, three three-and-outs, and two huge 4th-down stops. Their QB was 5 of 14 for 90 yards with a fumble before Wisconsin benched him late in the 3rd. My only disappointment on D was that 5 star Epenesa,, in his second year in the program, didn't register a single stat.

6. Special Teams: Buhr Bounces Back. After an awful special teams performance in Minneapolis (blocked punts, punt return fumbles, etc.), the kicking game was solid. Walk on Caden Buhr went 3 for 3 on field goals, including a career-long 54-yarder that would have been good from 60. The Hawks returned 4 punts for 51 yards (12.8 a return) and allowed 0 punt return yards. That’s the Iowa special teams fans are used to.
Since you said Brown did "randy around" and "a lot of his passes thrown behind guys so they couldn't catch in stride" that sure sounds like someone who could use more in game reps. Isn't it possible that is why Heck never saw any mop up time?
 

bagdropper

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Yep.

Couple things...

Northwestern is going to dink and dunk Iowa to death next week, holding onto the ball while "matriculating". Only when Oregon began getting to Chiles in the pocket did their defense begin slowing NW down. Phil needs to figure this out big time for next Saturday.

Yesterday, I saw 3 different successful passes that I don't know how the heck the officials didn't call Iowa for holding. They were pretty blatant. Home cooking I guess, but they could/should have been drive killers.
 

Rambler Hawk

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The scariest thing in Kinnick on Halloween wasn’t the costumes in the student section. I was the look on the Badgers coach's face when he went from playoff dark horse to hot seat in a matter of 3 hours. The Hawks smoked 25th ranked Wisconsin 30-0 in the 100th meeting of this rivalry. That’s two straight shutouts and five straight wins over the Badgers, who were formerly the king of the Big 10 West.

1. Hank Brown Answers the Bell. Last week IowaLaw called it a QB crisis. Brown took offense. He went 20 of 24 (83%) for 222 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs and spread the ball around to seven different receivers. Did he randy around by living up to his "Check Down Brown" nickname? Yes. Were a lot of his passes thrown behind guys so they couldn't catch in stride? Definitely. But no Hawkeye QB has put together that kind of completion percentage in ages. If the staff was looking for a reason to stop the QB carousel, Brown just gave them one. With that said, I'm not sure why Heck didn't get a single snap even in mop up time in a 30-0 blowout given that he the starter just a week ago.

2. DJ Vonnahme: Swiss Army Knife. Clearly DJ wanted to impress George Kittle in attendance. His 45-yard catch on the opening drive (Wisconsin left him wide open for some reason) and his two touchdowns (including a rushing TD) were huge. This week, three of Iowa’s biggest plays ran through the tight end. Many have noted how Iowa's TE U reputation has dipped the past couple of years. It's glad to see Lester bucking the trend and getting the TE involved in his offense.

3. The Running Game: Still Missing in Action. Before anyone starts planning for a playoff run, look at the struggling rushing attack. 42 carries for 140 yards on the day for 3.3 yards per carry. The long was just 20 yards. Prior to the Minnesota game, the Hawks were leading the Big 10 at over 6 yards a carry. They garnered a coveted "A" on IowaLaw's Midterm Report Card. But Two weeks later it’s been 3.0 ypc followed by 3.3 ypc. On the opening drive the Hawks ran it eight times for just 22 yards, then ran it up the middle on 2nd and 3rd down, got nothing, and settled for a 24-yard field goal to a chorus of boos. Same ol’ run up the middle on 2nd, same ol’ settle for 3. The passing game bailed out the run game this week.

4. Red Zone: Better, Not Elite. Iowa scored on all five trips inside the 20. That’s progress after leaving points at the 2-yard line in Minneapolis. But two of those five were field goals from 24 and 28 yards. That’s a 60% touchdown rate. Against Wisconsin you get away with it. Against Ohio State you lose by 17. You can’t beat elite teams trading 3s for 7s.

5. Phil Parker’s Defense: A+. This week's ranked opponent managed just 235 total yards, including just 52 rushing yards on 24 carries (2.2 a carry). The D pitched a shutout, forced three turnovers, three three-and-outs, and two huge 4th-down stops. Their QB was 5 of 14 for 90 yards with a fumble before Wisconsin benched him late in the 3rd. My only disappointment on D was that 5 star Epenesa,, in his second year in the program, didn't register a single stat.

6. Special Teams: Buhr Bounces Back. After an awful special teams performance in Minneapolis (blocked punts, punt return fumbles, etc.), the kicking game was solid. Walk on Caden Buhr went 3 for 3 on field goals, including a career-long 54-yarder that would have been good from 60. The Hawks returned 4 punts for 51 yards (12.8 a return) and allowed 0 punt return yards. That’s the Iowa special teams fans are used to.
Mostly agree, but....

Brown had a great game, saying he was 'randying around' was being a little nick picky...

Also, pretty sure our rush ranking has been middle of pack all season - don't think we ever led the League at 6 yds per rush? Unless bigten.org is wrong.🤷‍♂️
 

Hawk4Ever!

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The scariest thing in Kinnick on Halloween wasn’t the costumes in the student section. I was the look on the Badgers coach's face when he went from playoff dark horse to hot seat in a matter of 3 hours. The Hawks smoked 25th ranked Wisconsin 30-0 in the 100th meeting of this rivalry. That’s two straight shutouts and five straight wins over the Badgers, who were formerly the king of the Big 10 West.

1. Hank Brown Answers the Bell. Last week IowaLaw called it a QB crisis. Brown took offense. He went 20 of 24 (83%) for 222 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs and spread the ball around to seven different receivers. Did he randy around by living up to his "Check Down Brown" nickname? Yes. Were a lot of his passes thrown behind guys so they couldn't catch in stride? Definitely. But no Hawkeye QB has put together that kind of completion percentage in ages. If the staff was looking for a reason to stop the QB carousel, Brown just gave them one. With that said, I'm not sure why Heck didn't get a single snap even in mop up time in a 30-0 blowout given that he the starter just a week ago.

2. DJ Vonnahme: Swiss Army Knife. Clearly DJ wanted to impress George Kittle in attendance. His 45-yard catch on the opening drive (Wisconsin left him wide open for some reason) and his two touchdowns (including a rushing TD) were huge. This week, three of Iowa’s biggest plays ran through the tight end. Many have noted how Iowa's TE U reputation has dipped the past couple of years. It's glad to see Lester bucking the trend and getting the TE involved in his offense.

3. The Running Game: Still Missing in Action. Before anyone starts planning for a playoff run, look at the struggling rushing attack. 42 carries for 140 yards on the day for 3.3 yards per carry. The long was just 20 yards. Prior to the Minnesota game, the Hawks were leading the Big 10 at over 6 yards a carry. They garnered a coveted "A" on IowaLaw's Midterm Report Card. But Two weeks later it’s been 3.0 ypc followed by 3.3 ypc. On the opening drive the Hawks ran it eight times for just 22 yards, then ran it up the middle on 2nd and 3rd down, got nothing, and settled for a 24-yard field goal to a chorus of boos. Same ol’ run up the middle on 2nd, same ol’ settle for 3. The passing game bailed out the run game this week.

4. Red Zone: Better, Not Elite. Iowa scored on all five trips inside the 20. That’s progress after leaving points at the 2-yard line in Minneapolis. But two of those five were field goals from 24 and 28 yards. That’s a 60% touchdown rate. Against Wisconsin you get away with it. Against Ohio State you lose by 17. You can’t beat elite teams trading 3s for 7s.

5. Phil Parker’s Defense: A+. This week's ranked opponent managed just 235 total yards, including just 52 rushing yards on 24 carries (2.2 a carry). The D pitched a shutout, forced three turnovers, three three-and-outs, and two huge 4th-down stops. Their QB was 5 of 14 for 90 yards with a fumble before Wisconsin benched him late in the 3rd. My only disappointment on D was that 5 star Epenesa,, in his second year in the program, didn't register a single stat.

6. Special Teams: Buhr Bounces Back. After an awful special teams performance in Minneapolis (blocked punts, punt return fumbles, etc.), the kicking game was solid. Walk on Caden Buhr went 3 for 3 on field goals, including a career-long 54-yarder that would have been good from 60. The Hawks returned 4 punts for 51 yards (12.8 a return) and allowed 0 punt return yards. That’s the Iowa special teams fans are used to.
Good point Law ... Hawks cannot cover the pass, Whisky cannot throw. They look like a Hawk team past few years.
Chip Kelly is licking his fat chops this week!
 

Hawk4Ever!

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Yep.

Couple things...

Northwestern is going to dink and dunk Iowa to death next week, holding onto the ball while "matriculating". Only when Oregon began getting to Chiles in the pocket did their defense begin slowing NW down. Phil needs to figure this out big time for next Saturday.

Yesterday, I saw 3 different successful passes that I don't know how the heck the officials didn't call Iowa for holding. They were pretty blatant. Home cooking I guess, but they could/should have been drive killers.
What Iowa Oline hold and not called at home .... never
 

Titanhawk

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The scariest thing in Kinnick on Halloween wasn’t the costumes in the student section. I was the look on the Badgers coach's face when he went from playoff dark horse to hot seat in a matter of 3 hours. The Hawks smoked 25th ranked Wisconsin 30-0 in the 100th meeting of this rivalry. That’s two straight shutouts and five straight wins over the Badgers, who were formerly the king of the Big 10 West.

1. Hank Brown Answers the Bell. Last week IowaLaw called it a QB crisis. Brown took offense to being called out. He went 20 of 24 (83%) for 222 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs. He also spread the ball around to seven different receivers. Did he randy around by living up to his "Check Down Brown" nickname? Yes. The guy hates to take a risk. Were many of his passes thrown behind guys preventing them from catching in stride? Definitely. But no Hawkeye QB has put together such a high completion percentage in ages (and we've had plenty of risk averse QBs in the past). If the staff was looking for a reason to stop the QB carousel, Brown just gave them one. With that said, I'm not sure why Heck didn't get a single snap even in mop up time in a 30-0 blowout given that he the starter just a week ago.

2. DJ Vonnahme: Swiss Army Knife. Clearly DJ wanted to impress George Kittle on the sidelines. His 45-yard catch on the opening drive (Wisconsin left him WIDE open for some reason) and his two touchdowns (1 receiving and 1 rushing TD) were huge. Three of Iowa’s biggest plays were run through the tight end. Iowa's TE U reputation has dipped the past couple of years. It's good to see Lester bucking the TE decline trend and getting the TE involved in his offense. Though dang, Ostrenga had another 0 catch game. He was supposed to be the next great TE at Iowa and he's averaging just 1 catch per game.

3. The Running Game: Still MIA. Before anyone starts planning for a playoff run, look at the struggling rushing attack. They had 42 carries for 140 yards on the day for 3.3 yards per carry. The long was just 20 yards and none of them seem to be able to hold on to the ball. Prior to the Minnesota game, the Hawks were leading the Big 10 at over 6 yards a carry. They garnered a coveted "A" on IowaLaw's Midterm Report Card. But Two weeks later it’s been 3.0 ypc followed by 3.3 ypc. On the opening drive the Hawks ran it eight times for just 22 yards, then ran it up the middle on 2nd and 3rd down, got nothing, and settled for a 24-yard field goal to a chorus of boos. Same ol’ run up the middle on 2nd, same ol’ settle for 3. The passing game bailed out the run game this week.

4. Red Zone: Better, Not Elite. Iowa scored on all five trips inside the 20. That’s progress after leaving points at the 2-yard line in Minneapolis. But two of those five were field goals from 24 and 28 yards. That’s a 60% touchdown rate. Against Wisconsin you get away with it. Against Ohio State you lose by 17. You can’t beat elite teams trading 3s for 7s.

5. Phil Parker’s Defense: A+. This week's ranked opponent managed just 235 total yards, including just 52 rushing yards on 24 carries (2.2 a carry). The D pitched a shutout, forced three turnovers, three three-and-outs, and two huge 4th-down stops. Their QB was 5 of 14 for 90 yards with a fumble before Wisconsin benched him late in the 3rd. My only disappointment on D was that 5 star Epenesa,, in his second year in the program, didn't register a single stat.

6. Special Teams: Buhr Bounces Back. After an awful special teams performance in Minneapolis (blocked punts, punt return fumbles, etc.), the kicking game was solid. Walk on Caden Buhr went 3 for 3 on field goals, including a career-long 54-yarder that would have been good from 60. The Hawks returned 4 punts for 51 yards (12.8 a return) and allowed 0 punt return yards. That’s the Iowa special teams fans are used to.
"His 45-yard catch on the opening drive (Wisconsin left him WIDE open for some reason)"

Defender fell down when he made his cut upfield
 

IowaLaw

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Mostly agree, but....

Brown had a great game, saying he was 'randying around' was being a little nick picky...

Also, pretty sure our rush ranking has been middle of pack all season - don't think we ever led the League at 6 yds per rush? Unless bigten.org is wrong.🤷‍♂️
Is randying around a bit harsh to describe Hank's game, all things considered? Maybe.

The OP does give credit where credit is due by praising his accuracy on those short passes and playing catch with a wide open DJ to rumble down the field for 45 yards. It was phenomenal.

But Hank has a long ways to go when it comes to hitting guys in stride and not being so comfortable checking down instead of hitting his big play receivers. After all, aside for the wide open softball catch, DJ's remaining 4 catches went for just 9 yards because they were all check downs caught near the line of scrimmage.

Hank has to have the confidence to realize the Hawks have a once in a decade #1 WR in Diaz. That guy has the same knack for getting open that DJK had and appears to be open almost every play. Yet Hank has only completed 16 passes to Diaz in all of Big 10 play (an avg of just 3 catches per game, including just 1 catch in the horrible loss to MN). Why? Because Diaz primarily runs routs down the field and Hank just isn't comfortable taking risks when he can throw high percentage check down passes instead.

By comparison to a previous era, Marvin McNutt had 82 catches in 13 games. The guy caught 9 passes in each game against the likes of Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue. If McNutt had that kind of production with a sub par QB like James Vandenberg as his QB and the same conservative head coach, Hank is doing Diaz a HUGE disservice by opting to check down to Moulton, Braeden Jackson and Xavier Williams so often instead of utilizing his big play WR threats.
 

uihawk82

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The scariest thing in Kinnick on Halloween wasn’t the costumes in the student section. I was the look on the Badgers coach's face when he went from playoff dark horse to hot seat in a matter of 3 hours. The Hawks smoked 25th ranked Wisconsin 30-0 in the 100th meeting of this rivalry. That’s two straight shutouts and five straight wins over the Badgers, who were formerly the king of the Big 10 West.

1. Hank Brown Answers the Bell. Last week IowaLaw called it a QB crisis. Brown took offense to being called out. He went 20 of 24 (83%) for 222 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs. He also spread the ball around to seven different receivers. Did he randy around by living up to his "Check Down Brown" nickname? Yes. The guy hates to take a risk. Were many of his passes thrown behind guys preventing them from catching in stride? Definitely. But no Hawkeye QB has put together such a high completion percentage in ages (and we've had plenty of risk averse QBs in the past). If the staff was looking for a reason to stop the QB carousel, Brown just gave them one. With that said, I'm not sure why Heck didn't get a single snap even in mop up time in a 30-0 blowout given that he the starter just a week ago.

2. DJ Vonnahme: Swiss Army Knife. Clearly DJ wanted to impress George Kittle on the sidelines. His 45-yard catch on the opening drive (Wisconsin left him WIDE open for some reason) and his two touchdowns (1 receiving and 1 rushing TD) were huge. Three of Iowa’s biggest plays were run through the tight end. Iowa's TE U reputation has dipped the past couple of years. It's good to see Lester bucking the TE decline trend and getting the TE involved in his offense. Though dang, Ostrenga had another 0 catch game. He was supposed to be the next great TE at Iowa and he's averaging just 1 catch per game.

3. The Running Game: Still MIA. Before anyone starts planning for a playoff run, look at the struggling rushing attack. They had 42 carries for 140 yards on the day for 3.3 yards per carry. The long was just 20 yards and none of them seem to be able to hold on to the ball. Prior to the Minnesota game, the Hawks were leading the Big 10 at over 6 yards a carry. They garnered a coveted "A" on IowaLaw's Midterm Report Card. But Two weeks later it’s been 3.0 ypc followed by 3.3 ypc. On the opening drive the Hawks ran it eight times for just 22 yards, then ran it up the middle on 2nd and 3rd down, got nothing, and settled for a 24-yard field goal to a chorus of boos. Same ol’ run up the middle on 2nd, same ol’ settle for 3. The passing game bailed out the run game this week.

4. Red Zone: Better, Not Elite. Iowa scored on all five trips inside the 20. That’s progress after leaving points at the 2-yard line in Minneapolis. But two of those five were field goals from 24 and 28 yards. That’s a 60% touchdown rate. Against Wisconsin you get away with it. Against Ohio State you lose by 17. You can’t beat elite teams trading 3s for 7s.

5. Phil Parker’s Defense: A+. This week's ranked opponent managed just 235 total yards, including just 52 rushing yards on 24 carries (2.2 a carry). The D pitched a shutout, forced three turnovers, three three-and-outs, and two huge 4th-down stops. Their QB was 5 of 14 for 90 yards with a fumble before Wisconsin benched him late in the 3rd. My only disappointment on D was that 5 star Epenesa,, in his second year in the program, didn't register a single stat.

6. Special Teams: Buhr Bounces Back. After an awful special teams performance in Minneapolis (blocked punts, punt return fumbles, etc.), the kicking game was solid. Walk on Caden Buhr went 3 for 3 on field goals, including a career-long 54-yarder that would have been good from 60. The Hawks returned 4 punts for 51 yards (12.8 a return) and allowed 0 punt return yards. That’s the Iowa special teams fans are used to.
Do you actually watch the games? Your 2nd pt is so wrong, the wisky player guarding DJV tripped/slipped etc as DJV cut upfield. Wisky had him accounted for but it was an out and up and the defender went out and DOWN.
 
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