IowaLaw's Objective Post Game Analysis: Iowa State

IowaLaw

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And it's de ja vu all over again. New quarterback, new receivers, new offensive coordinator, same ol run up the middle on 1st, run up the middle on 2nd, and reluctantly pass on 3rd as long as it's 5 yards short of the sticks. Same ol' playing not to lose. Same ol QB regression. The Hawks lose 16-13 despite having the ball and plenty of time to pull off a win at the end. Outcoached and far too much randying around on offense/special teams.

1. OLine Looked Elite. It's been years since Iowa had a solid offensive line. This group is the real deal. Pass protection was as good as Iowa has had in 20 years. This year's starters average over 300 lbs and 6'4 and tend not to whiff on blocks. Dunker and Jones are all-Big 10 caliber players who did everything possible to win the game.

2. Just When You Thought Iowa's WR's Couldn't Get Any Worse. Smith Marsette has not caught a pass at Iowa since 2020. Sadly, if you look at the 15 or so WRs who have started at Iowa since 2020, and 20 backups who saw reps, none were talented enough to play Big 10 football (except Charlie Jones, who rode the bench at Iowa so he left and became an all-American somewhere else). The cupboard is BARE in the WR room. Phillips, Anderson, and Wetjen, all "scholarship Big 10 WRs," combined for 3 catches for 24 yards and some awful drops and a fall resulting in a near pick 6.

3. Sharar Coming of Age. Like Higgins, Sharar waited his turn. This senior from small town Iowa was all over the field and playing like he belongs out there. He finished with 7 tackles on the day, but he was disruptive and looks to be another stud LB in a long line of stud LBs at Iowa. Harrell, his partner at LB, also had a nice game with 9 tackles and 1 forced fumble.

4. Refund on Gronk. Let's call a spade a spade. Not only was Gronk bad, he was historically bad. Iowa's $2M NIL crown jewel just set the Big 10 record for LEAST passing yards in the first two games of the season! While his 13/24 for 83 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT was pathetic, the most disappointing part of the performance was his failure to lead when the game was on the line. When the pressure was on, the "winningest D1 QB in history" pissed down his leg with the worst clutch performance I've seen from a Hawkeye QB. I guess at least he wasn't so amped up that he had to take himself out of the game with cramps like he did against mighty Albany.

5. Jaz Is Clearly In Kirk's Dog House. Typically, talented players are praised for sticking it out at a school despite not getting the kind of playing time they deserve. Kirk's reward for Jaz in returning to Iowa this year rather than jumping in the transfer portal was to make him Iowa's 4th string RB, despite being the best back. Moulton is hurt, so Kirk went with Terrell Washington? Why? Washington proceeded to average just 1 yard per carry after playing poorly last week as well. Then Kirk went with Williams, who was more deserving. But Williams too struggled, finishing with just 3.7 yrds per carry. When Jaz finally saw the field, the team's most senior back ran angry. 11 carries for 60 yards for an avg of 5.5 yards per carry. Jaz carried the inept offense on his shoulders but didn't have the supporting cast to pull off the win.
 

Rambler Hawk

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100% Spot On.

Yet again, there was Spring optimism that our WR room 'could surprise' and Gronc was touted as one of college football's great portal 'gets'. Fool me once, but I knew better than to fall for any WR room early buzz - but I admittedly bought into the Groc hype. He looks a lot like Cade out there great hair and all - serviceable at best. If he was a car, then Iowa APPEARS to have bought a lemon off the proverbial car lot. We really need to just do away with the WR position at this point and just mimic one of the service academy offenses. To settle the inhouse arguing - KF, QB, and WRs are all to blame. It appears Lester is just KF's conservative puppet, so not sure about him. I do know that he was previously fired by a MAC program, but supposedly he is a Shanahan disciple....;)
 

Ironman39

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And it's de ja vu all over again. New quarterback, new receivers, new offensive coordinator, same ol run up the middle on 1st, run up the middle on 2nd, and reluctantly pass on 3rd as long as it's 5 yards short of the sticks. Same ol' playing not to lose. Same ol QB regression. The Hawks lose 16-13 despite having the ball and plenty of time to pull off a win at the end. Outcoached and far too much randying around on offense/special teams.

1. OLine Looked Elite. It's been years since Iowa had a solid offensive line. This group is the real deal. Pass protection was as good as Iowa has had in 20 years. This year's starters average over 300 lbs and 6'4 and tend not to whiff on blocks. Dunker and Jones are all-Big 10 caliber players who did everything possible to win the game.

2. Just When You Thought Iowa's WR's Couldn't Get Any Worse. Smith Marsette has not caught a pass at Iowa since 2020. Sadly, if you look at the 15 or so WRs who have started at Iowa since 2020, and 20 backups who saw reps, none were talented enough to play Big 10 football (except Charlie Jones, who rode the bench at Iowa so he left and became an all-American somewhere else). The cupboard is BARE in the WR room. Phillips, Anderson, and Wetjen, all "scholarship Big 10 WRs," combined for 3 catches for 24 yards and some awful drops and a fall resulting in a near pick 6.

3. Sharar Coming of Age. Like Higgins, Sharar waited his turn. This senior from small town Iowa was all over the field and playing like he belongs out there. He finished with 7 tackles on the day, but he was disruptive and looks to be another stud LB in a long line of stud LBs at Iowa. Harrell, his partner at LB, also had a nice game with 9 tackles and 1 forced fumble.

4. Refund on Gronk. Let's call a spade a spade. Not only was Gronk bad, he was historically bad. Iowa's $2M NIL crown jewel just set the Big 10 record for LEAST passing yards in the first two games of the season! While his 13/24 for 83 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT was pathetic, the most disappointing part of the performance was his failure to lead when the game was on the line. When the pressure was on, the "winningest D1 QB in history" pissed down his leg with the worst clutch performance I've seen from a Hawkeye QB. I guess at least he wasn't so amped up that he had to take himself out of the game with cramps like he did against mighty Albany.

5. Jaz Is Clearly In Kirk's Dog House. Typically, talented players are praised for sticking it out at a school despite not getting the kind of playing time they deserve. Kirk's reward for Jaz in returning to Iowa this year rather than jumping in the transfer portal was to make him Iowa's 4th string RB, despite being the best back. Moulton is hurt, so Kirk went with Terrell Washington? Why? Washington proceeded to average just 1 yard per carry after playing poorly last week as well. Then Kirk went with Williams, who was more deserving. But Williams too struggled, finishing with just 3.7 yrds per carry. When Jaz finally saw the field, the team's most senior back ran angry. 11 carries for 60 yards for an avg of 5.5 yards per carry. Jaz carried the inept offense on his shoulders but didn't have the supporting cast to pull off the win.
Mmmmm.....you found this board.

That's too bad.
 

Ironman39

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In all fairness on Iowa's last possession drive, Gronc had 0 receivers open to throw to, thus he was sacked twice.

What I question is the non-use of our TE's, it was ISU's tight ends who kept the Cyclones momentum going.
That's on the playcall. You need to have flare routes/check downs ready for pressure inside of 2 minutes.

Garbage gameplanning.

As for TEs, the fact is our TEs are *** outside of Ostrenga, who is """"above average""""" and he got hurt because f*** us because we can't have nice things, right?............
 

Easthawk1062

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I gave up on throwing the ball years ago, except to tight ends and rb
I don’t even think they need to throw for crazy amount of yards. Give me somewhere around 150 and I think that helps that running game explode. 131 rushing yards today playing a defense that was basically driving a freight train 100mph towards the line of scrimmage every play to stop the run. Lose by 3 with another embarrassing passing performance.
 

Grayhair1981

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100% Spot On.

Yet again, there was Spring optimism that our WR room 'could surprise' and Gronc was touted as one of college football's great portal 'gets'. Fool me once, but I knew better than to fall for any WR room early buzz - but I admittedly bought into the Groc hype. He looks a lot like Cade out there great hair and all - serviceable at best. If he was a car, then Iowa APPEARS to have bought a lemon off the proverbial car lot. We really need to just do away with the WR position at this point and just mimic one of the service academy offenses. To settle the inhouse arguing - KF, QB, and WRs are all to blame. It appears Lester is just KF's conservative puppet, so not sure about him. I do know that he was previously fired by a MAC program, but supposedly he is a Shanahan disciple....;)
"Do away with the WR position"
Honestly, I don't know why they don't. There isn't a single WR on the roster that adds value when he is on the field. Defenses don't have to plan for any of them. No doubling, no rotating corners to account for anyone. Defenses stay base and attack downhill as soon as the ball is snapped.
As bad as Iowa's WRs are at threatening defenses, they are even worse at blocking. The WR joke for recruits is "can he block?" No. He can't. That applies to TE/FBs in space, too. I quit watching yesterday after Large stood there and stared as his target ran past him and blew up the screen in the backfield.
And there is no talent coming here that will change any of this until KF is gone
 

SCHawkeye2

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Fire Capt Fossil, the source of all Offensive wretchedness. Nothing improves until he is GONE. Lester is under The Capt's thumb.

Eyesofhawk, I hope you see this just so we can read (yes we can read) how you try to polish this turd.
Please don't encourage him...
 

83Hawk

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I honestly don’t see how the Hawks will make a bowl. Where are the wins coming from?
UMass? Yes. Rutgers and Michigan State? Maybe. Indiana? Doubt it. Oregon or Penn State? <insert hysterical laugh emoji>. Nebraska? Also doubt it. Minnesota and Wisconsin don’t appear to be the pushover some Hawk fans thought. USC? On the West coast? Nope.

The Hawks could very well be looking at a 4-5 win season, unless there is a BIG improvement in the offense.
 
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DukeSlater

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In all fairness on Iowa's last possession drive, Gronc had 0 receivers open to throw to, thus he was sacked twice.

What I question is the non-use of our TE's, it was ISU's tight ends who kept the Cyclones momentum going.
You don't get sacked in that situation. You throw the damn ball away to save both time and yardage. That was pathetic . . . No decent high school QB is going to fold like Iowa's QB did. Just another embarrassment to add to the long, long list over the last many, many years.
 

83Hawk

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You don't get sacked in that situation. You throw the damn ball away to save both time and yardage. That was pathetic . . . No decent high school QB is going to fold like Iowa's QB did. Just another embarrassment to add to the long, long list over the last many, many years.
Remember a couple of years ago vs. Wisconsin? Last few minutes of the game. Iowa is losing. It’s 4th down. I believe Petras was the QB. Instead of trying SOMETHING….ANYTHING….he threw the ball in the stands. Why? To avoid an interception? Who knows.

I’m not saying Mark shouldn’t have thrown the ball away….he should have. My point is…Iowa’s quarterbacks the last several years continually make poor decisions. I have to believe instinct and ANY risk taking is coached out of them, making them automatons who play the position by rote. No risk. No improvisation. No playmaking.
 

Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo

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Is it possible the injured Buie and Vander Zee are missed that much in our passing game? Though these two haven't exactly set the world on fire in the past....they are at least tall targets. And the latter has proven some propensity for winning 50/50 balls.

Our WR corps in Ames on Saturday looked like a reincarnation of the 1980s Washington Redskins' Smurfs.

Seemed from all the fall camp videos that MG and RVZ had developed a good chemistry. Make no mistake, Ol' Doodle is definitely not saying getting those two guys back on the field will suddenly transform our offense into something....you know.....passable. But maybe they are bigger misses than we thought, especially since we've suddenly become a tight end desert.
 

SA_Hawk

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Is it possible the injured Buie and Vander Zee are missed that much in our passing game? Though these two haven't exactly set the world on fire in the past....they are at least tall targets. And the latter has proven some propensity for winning 50/50 balls.

Our WR corps in Ames on Saturday looked like a reincarnation of the 1980s Washington Redskins' Smurfs.

Seemed from all the fall camp videos that MG and RVZ had developed a good chemistry. Make no mistake, Ol' Doodle is definitely not saying getting those two guys back on the field will suddenly transform our offense into something....you know.....passable. But maybe they are bigger misses than we thought, especially since we've suddenly become a tight end desert.
Appears Vandergriend Zee was Grono’s security blanket and go to WR.
 

Grayhair1981

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Remember a couple of years ago vs. Wisconsin? Last few minutes of the game. Iowa is losing. It’s 4th down. I believe Petras was the QB. Instead of trying SOMETHING….ANYTHING….he threw the ball in the stands. Why? To avoid an interception? Who knows.

I’m not saying Mark shouldn’t have thrown the ball away….he should have. My point is…Iowa’s quarterbacks the last several years continually make poor decisions. I have to believe instinct and ANY risk taking is coached out of them, making them automatons who play the position by rote. No risk. No improvisation. No playmaking.
Nailed it
 

BunchofAholes

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Remember a couple of years ago vs. Wisconsin? Last few minutes of the game. Iowa is losing. It’s 4th down. I believe Petras was the QB. Instead of trying SOMETHING….ANYTHING….he threw the ball in the stands. Why? To avoid an interception? Who knows.

I’m not saying Mark shouldn’t have thrown the ball away….he should have. My point is…Iowa’s quarterbacks the last several years continually make poor decisions. I have to believe instinct and ANY risk taking is coached out of them, making them automatons who play the position by rote. No risk. No improvisation. No playmaking.
Kirk neuters QBs.
 
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You don't get sacked in that situation. You throw the damn ball away to save both time and yardage. That was pathetic . . . No decent high school QB is going to fold like Iowa's QB did. Just another embarrassment to add to the long, long list over the last many, many years.
LOL - The only thing that folded was the O-line in that last series; they folded faster than a cheap suitcase. Gronk had zero time to react. The kid has proved he can play QB at any level. You know **** about the game.
 
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IowaLaw

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Is it possible the injured Buie and Vander Zee are missed that much in our passing game? Though these two haven't exactly set the world on fire in the past....they are at least tall targets. And the latter has proven some propensity for winning 50/50 balls.

Our WR corps in Ames on Saturday looked like a reincarnation of the 1980s Washington Redskins' Smurfs.

Seemed from all the fall camp videos that MG and RVZ had developed a good chemistry. Make no mistake, Ol' Doodle is definitely not saying getting those two guys back on the field will suddenly transform our offense into something....you know.....passable. But maybe they are bigger misses than we thought, especially since we've suddenly become a tight end desert.
Sadly, the most common theme we hear EVERY offseason since the Petras era is how "QB is developing tremendous chemistry with the WRs."

Petras was the "amazing leader who commands respect." Then it was the big time Michigan transfer used his NIL money to "fly the WR corp to California to train with him" and would take Iowa to the next level. Then wasn't it Gronk who "passed up the NFL Draft (yeah right) and went to Peyton Manning's passing academy with the nation's best QBs? It's all spin.

When you go out and recruit guys like 0 star Dayton Howard, DIII backup Seth Anderson, and walk-on Wetjen to play WR, all guys who had no other D1 offers, you can't expect them to to get separation or make tough catches. The homer hawkeye media likes to put lipstick on that pig.
 
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DBHawkSoCal

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Remember a couple of years ago vs. Wisconsin? Last few minutes of the game. Iowa is losing. It’s 4th down. I believe Petras was the QB. Instead of trying SOMETHING….ANYTHING….he threw the ball in the stands. Why? To avoid an interception? Who knows.

I’m not saying Mark shouldn’t have thrown the ball away….he should have. My point is…Iowa’s quarterbacks the last several years continually make poor decisions. I have to believe instinct and ANY risk taking is coached out of them, making them automatons who play the position by rote. No risk. No improvisation. No playmaking.
Going even further back to 2014, and I think it’s against Maryland

We get the ball down a score and chance to drive field and win/tie

Rudock proceeds to throw check down to RB over and over. Even the announcers commented about it’s not the right read - decision when you have limited time and long field

Iowa QBs are coached to never ever take a chance. It becomes second nature even when nature requires something else
 

uihawk82

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I don’t even think they need to throw for crazy amount of yards. Give me somewhere around 150 and I think that helps that running game explode. 131 rushing yards today playing a defense that was basically driving a freight train 100mph towards the line of scrimmage every play to stop the run. Lose by 3 with another embarrassing passing performance.
Yes, if you can pass for 150-170 with decent efficiency then the run game wont be going into 8 man boxes all the time. The run game could be up to 200 a game and then we will win some big games with our defense
 
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Law, always agree.
But #4 is wrong this time.

0% of this is on MG.
0%.

You could take the BEST QB CANDIDATE EVER and put into this system, with the same instructions, and you'll get this.

Reminds me of Browns fans, who just somehow think it's been all bad luck for 23 straight QBs or whatever. Until one of them goes to Tampa and lights it up. Maybe Baker didn't start "trying" until he went to Tampa.

It ain't at ALL who the QB is, it's the system. And ALL the system. Not just "most" like many say.

Deacon and Cade sucked PLUS a bad system, so it's easy to think part of the bad performance was on them.
MG doesn't suck. The system does.
 
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Hawkangler

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And it's de ja vu all over again. New quarterback, new receivers, new offensive coordinator, same ol run up the middle on 1st, run up the middle on 2nd, and reluctantly pass on 3rd as long as it's 5 yards short of the sticks. Same ol' playing not to lose. Same ol QB regression. The Hawks lose 16-13 despite having the ball and plenty of time to pull off a win at the end. Outcoached and far too much randying around on offense/special teams.

1. OLine Looked Elite. It's been years since Iowa had a solid offensive line. This group is the real deal. Pass protection was as good as Iowa has had in 20 years. This year's starters average over 300 lbs and 6'4 and tend not to whiff on blocks. Dunker and Jones are all-Big 10 caliber players who did everything possible to win the game.

2. Just When You Thought Iowa's WR's Couldn't Get Any Worse. Smith Marsette has not caught a pass at Iowa since 2020. Sadly, if you look at the 15 or so WRs who have started at Iowa since 2020, and 20 backups who saw reps, none were talented enough to play Big 10 football (except Charlie Jones, who rode the bench at Iowa so he left and became an all-American somewhere else). The cupboard is BARE in the WR room. Phillips, Anderson, and Wetjen, all "scholarship Big 10 WRs," combined for 3 catches for 24 yards and some awful drops and a fall resulting in a near pick 6.

3. Sharar Coming of Age. Like Higgins, Sharar waited his turn. This senior from small town Iowa was all over the field and playing like he belongs out there. He finished with 7 tackles on the day, but he was disruptive and looks to be another stud LB in a long line of stud LBs at Iowa. Harrell, his partner at LB, also had a nice game with 9 tackles and 1 forced fumble.

4. Refund on Gronk. Let's call a spade a spade. Not only was Gronk bad, he was historically bad. Iowa's $2M NIL crown jewel just set the Big 10 record for LEAST passing yards in the first two games of the season! While his 13/24 for 83 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT was pathetic, the most disappointing part of the performance was his failure to lead when the game was on the line. When the pressure was on, the "winningest D1 QB in history" pissed down his leg with the worst clutch performance I've seen from a Hawkeye QB. I guess at least he wasn't so amped up that he had to take himself out of the game with cramps like he did against mighty Albany.

5. Jaz Is Clearly In Kirk's Dog House. Typically, talented players are praised for sticking it out at a school despite not getting the kind of playing time they deserve. Kirk's reward for Jaz in returning to Iowa this year rather than jumping in the transfer portal was to make him Iowa's 4th string RB, despite being the best back. Moulton is hurt, so Kirk went with Terrell Washington? Why? Washington proceeded to average just 1 yard per carry after playing poorly last week as well. Then Kirk went with Williams, who was more deserving. But Williams too struggled, finishing with just 3.7 yrds per carry. When Jaz finally saw the field, the team's most senior back ran angry. 11 carries for 60 yards for an avg of 5.5 yards per carry. Jaz carried the inept offense on his shoulders but didn't have the supporting cast to pull off the win.
Generally don't agree with you but that was a very good objective look at what we saw. Jazz should be starting and so should Phillips. OL was solid. Gronk missed several wife open receivers again. Defense was solid, should have mentioned Lutmer and Hall in addition to Sharar.
 

MotownHAWK

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Generally don't agree with you but that was a very good objective look at what we saw. Jazz should be starting and so should Phillips. OL was solid. Gronk missed several wife open receivers again. Defense was solid, should have mentioned Lutmer and Hall in addition to Sharar.
Who the **** is Gronk?
 
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the24fan

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Law, always agree.
But #4 is wrong this time.

0% of this is on MG.
0%.

You could take the BEST QB CANDIDATE EVER and put into this system, with the same instructions, and you'll get this.

Reminds me of Browns fans, who just somehow think it's been all bad luck for 23 straight QBs or whatever. Until one of them goes to Tampa and lights it up. Maybe Baker didn't start "trying" until he went to Tampa.

It ain't at ALL who the QB is, it's the system. And ALL the system. Not just "most" like many say.

Deacon and Cade sucked PLUS a bad system, so it's easy to think part of the bad performance was on them.
MG doesn't suck. The system does.
agree on this
Have to solve real problem. It is KF and more and more evidence is growing that no matter who you bring in here at QB they will fail due to being handcuffed by the captain. Retire Kirk! It's past time. You are dragging this program into the ground due to your stubborn refusal to adapt.
 
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joelbc1

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100% Spot On.

Yet again, there was Spring optimism that our WR room 'could surprise' and Gronc was touted as one of college football's great portal 'gets'. Fool me once, but I knew better than to fall for any WR room early buzz - but I admittedly bought into the Groc hype. He looks a lot like Cade out there great hair and all - serviceable at best. If he was a car, then Iowa APPEARS to have bought a lemon off the proverbial car lot. We really need to just do away with the WR position at this point and just mimic one of the service academy offenses. To settle the inhouse arguing - KF, QB, and WRs are all to blame. It appears Lester is just KF's conservative puppet, so not sure about him. I do know that he was previously fired by a MAC program, but supposedly he is a Shanahan disciple....;)
Boyz….. Kirk has been here a long time. You should know his MO. Leopards don’t change their spots. UIowa will have an average passing game when they show it and not until. Develop some of that Mizzery “Show Me” persona. Quit buying into the hype. Quit worrying about how much $$ they are paying these portal QBs… enjoy what you get from Kirk or find another hobby. Occasionally a Stanzi or a Bethards will come along (but remember Stanzi loved to throw those “pick 6’s”!).
 

DuddyB

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Re: WRs. They often can’t get open and when they do, they aren’t assured to make the catch.

Gill, Anderson and Ortwerth had just some awful drops. I think there was another one too that I’d classify as a drop.
 
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