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schuele

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True - but I think the point is - if Riley is your stud - line him up with Trey and go good on good.
Exactly. It felt like Iowa would prefer to watch Palmer repeatedly abuse two backups rather than have their golden boy exposed.
 

IowaHuskr

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Exactly. It felt like Iowa would prefer to watch Palmer repeatedly abuse two backups rather than have their golden boy exposed.
I don't think Moss looked like an all-conference DB in the Iowa-Nebraska game a year earlier in Lincoln. But we didn't have a decent throwing QB available to expose him that day. But our special teams(allowing a blocked punt) cost us the game.
 
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Exactly. It felt like Iowa would prefer to watch Palmer repeatedly abuse two backups rather than have their golden boy exposed.
On Palmer's first TD, Nebraska lined up with Palmer and Martin on the right, with Palmer on the outside off the line of scrimmage. The CB was playing 12 yards off Palmer with safety help shaded inside. Martin runs a deep cross. The LB lined up on him gives him a brief check and then releases Martin while he stays to guard the flat. The safety on Palmer and Martin's side moves up to follow the TE crossing from the opposite side of the formation. This leaves Palmer basically one-on-one with his man, which he easily beats. The safety on the opposite side had a chance to cut off Palmer after the catch, but he was put in conflict by Martin's route (Martin was open deep as well).

Say what you will about Whipple, but he knew how to scheme Palmer open. It was a curious defensive alignment from Iowa. There's no way Palmer should be one-on-one with a backup CB and no safety help.
 

bmb81664

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Losing DeJean absolutely was a huge hit. Credit goes to Whipple for attacking right away. Thompson and Palmer were no match for the fourth and fifth string CB’s that got abused. That’s not to say Nebraska wouldn’t broken broken one because Cooper got beat two other times last year that I remember. Parker didn’t adjust very well and Nebraska took advantage. All three TD passes came against those back-ups.

Cooper also punt returns and more than likely doesn’t muff the punt right after half. The game is completely different if he doesn’t get hurt but it doesn’t matter in the end. Iowa didn’t adjust and Nebraska did. That’s how you win…or lose.
Iowa makes a living off other teams special mistakes and turnovers. Nebraska got a few more breaks in this game. When your offense can barely outscore your d and ST you deserve to lose some games.
 

SWIowahawks_rivals44758

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True - but I think the point is - if Riley is your stud - line him up with Trey and go good on good.
You’re not wrong and I did say Parker didn’t adjust. I’m not gonna pretend to know the ins and outs of Iowa’s defensive calls and such. Could be an explanation for it…but Moss being over rated is probably not one.
 

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Iowa makes a living off other teams special mistakes and turnovers. Nebraska got a few more breaks in this game. When your offense can barely outscore your d and ST you deserve to lose some games.
You are correct and they did. Wasting phenomenal defenses isn’t fun to watch.
 

schuele

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You’re not wrong and I did say Parker didn’t adjust. I’m not gonna pretend to know the ins and outs of Iowa’s defensive calls and such. Could be an explanation for it…but Moss being over rated is probably not one.
When Palmer was interviewed after the game and said that from watching game film, NU knew Iowa had DBs who “can’t guard,” who do you think he was talking about? I’ll bet it wasn’t DeJean, nor was it a couple of backups who had hardly played.
 
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dinglefritz

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On Palmer's first TD, Nebraska lined up with Palmer and Martin on the right, with Palmer on the outside off the line of scrimmage. The CB was playing 12 yards off Palmer with safety help shaded inside. Martin runs a deep cross. The LB lined up on him gives him a brief check and then releases Martin while he stays to guard the flat. The safety on Palmer and Martin's side moves up to follow the TE crossing from the opposite side of the formation. This leaves Palmer basically one-on-one with his man, which he easily beats. The safety on the opposite side had a chance to cut off Palmer after the catch, but he was put in conflict by Martin's route (Martin was open deep as well).

Say what you will about Whipple, but he knew how to scheme Palmer open. It was a curious defensive alignment from Iowa. There's no way Palmer should be one-on-one with a backup CB and no safety help.
I’ve posted several times that I liked Whipple’s routes. The issue was his lack of a complimentary run game. There was zero deception in the run game.
 
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On Palmer's first TD, Nebraska lined up with Palmer and Martin on the right, with Palmer on the outside off the line of scrimmage. The CB was playing 12 yards off Palmer with safety help shaded inside. Martin runs a deep cross. The LB lined up on him gives him a brief check and then releases Martin while he stays to guard the flat. The safety on Palmer and Martin's side moves up to follow the TE crossing from the opposite side of the formation. This leaves Palmer basically one-on-one with his man, which he easily beats. The safety on the opposite side had a chance to cut off Palmer after the catch, but he was put in conflict by Martin's route (Martin was open deep as well).

Say what you will about Whipple, but he knew how to scheme Palmer open. It was a curious defensive alignment from Iowa. There's no way Palmer should be one-on-one with a backup CB and no safety help.
He would make a great passing game coordinator.
 
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On Palmer's second TD, Palmer was lined up on the left with Brewington in the slot and Vokolek in-line at TE. At the snap, Vokolek crosses in front of Brewington, who runs a shallow cross. Vokolek and Palmer both run deep in routes. Similar to the first TD, the safety stays with the man running the inside route (Vokolek) while Palmer is free to work one-on-one with the CB, who was playing way off the line. This play is interesting in that Iowa ends up with two linebackers in no man's land. Vokolek probably could have beat the safety to the inside and Grant was wide open in the flat. It was another good pass play drawn up by Whipple.

I'm going to speculate that Iowa trusted its solid cover 2 defensive scheme versus Nebraska rather than alter their coverages.
 

mikecanale

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is killing this draft

Hats off to them for Identifying and developing talent, because they sure don’t recruit well.

Best 7-8 win team in the country!
If you think a 7-8 Iowa team is killing it. how about Northwestern who has had four players drafted off a 1-11 team?
 

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When Palmer was interviewed after the game and said that from watching game film, NU knew Iowa had DBs who “can’t guard,” who do you think he was talking about? I’ll bet it wasn’t DeJean, nor was it a couple of backups who had hardly played.
165 yards receiving. 105 for sure on the fourth and fifth stringer. Any idea how many of the other 60 came against Moss, because I don’t. I wanna say there was a huge fourth down that Nebraska converted on the walk-on but I can’t remember who the receiver was. I guess the rest of college football and the Broncos just didn’t see what Palmer and Whipple saw.
 
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165 yards receiving. 105 for sure on the fourth and fifth stringer. Any idea how many of the other 60 came against Moss, because I don’t. I wanna say there was a huge fourth down that Nebraska converted on the walk-on but I can’t remember who the receiver was. I guess the rest of college football and the Broncos just didn’t see what Palmer and Whipple saw.
A couple of honest questions... Do you know if Iowa played LCB/RCB or boundary and field? Also, did they line up SS and FS based on offensive formation? I know they often played in a two high safety look. It seemed like Iowa lined up and played their base coverage most of the time versus Nebraska rather than rolling their coverage based on personnel/formation. This probably worked against most B10 teams, but may be less successful against a team like 2022 Nebraska with one elite WR.
 

schuele

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165 yards receiving. 105 for sure on the fourth and fifth stringer. Any idea how many of the other 60 came against Moss, because I don’t. I wanna say there was a huge fourth down that Nebraska converted on the walk-on but I can’t remember who the receiver was. I guess the rest of college football and the Broncos just didn’t see what Palmer and Whipple saw.
Of course most (maybe all) of Palmer's production came against the backups. That's why I posted this:

It felt like Iowa would prefer to watch Palmer repeatedly abuse two backups rather than have their golden boy exposed.

As for the Broncos, I'm not at all surprised they bought into the Iowa/Big Ten Network hype machine and grabbed Moss. They have a habit of doing that, which is why they haven't sniffed the playoffs in 8 years.

For what it's worth, I think DeJean will inherit Moss's limelight next year, live up to the hype, and go on to be a very good NFL DB.
 

king_kong_

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Of course most (maybe all) of Palmer's production came against the backups. That's why I posted this:

It felt like Iowa would prefer to watch Palmer repeatedly abuse two backups rather than have their golden boy exposed.

As for the Broncos, I'm not at all surprised they bought into the Iowa/Big Ten Network hype machine and grabbed Moss. They have a habit of doing that, which is why they haven't sniffed the playoffs in 8 years.

For what it's worth, I think DeJean will inherit Moss's limelight next year, live up to the hype, and go on to be a very good NFL DB.
He literally can’t even get blocked without his brain bashing against his skull

Soft a player as has ever existed
 

Walleye 1

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165 yards receiving. 105 for sure on the fourth and fifth stringer. Any idea how many of the other 60 came against Moss, because I don’t. I wanna say there was a huge fourth down that Nebraska converted on the walk-on but I can’t remember who the receiver was. I guess the rest of college football and the Broncos just didn’t see what Palmer and Whipple saw.
Haha this is getting even better. Whipple>Parker
 

SWIowahawks_rivals44758

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Of course most (maybe all) of Palmer's production came against the backups. That's why I posted this:

It felt like Iowa would prefer to watch Palmer repeatedly abuse two backups rather than have their golden boy exposed.

As for the Broncos, I'm not at all surprised they bought into the Iowa/Big Ten Network hype machine and grabbed Moss. They have a habit of doing that, which is why they haven't sniffed the playoffs in 8 years.

For what it's worth, I think DeJean will inherit Moss's limelight next year, live up to the hype, and go on to be a very good NFL DB.
So, Iowa gave up a division title in order to protect Moss? Interesting.

I also don’t know how much sense it makes saying an NFL franchise was duped by BTN hype.

Iowa is hoping to get a CB portal addition so Cooper can move back inside to the cash position. Should be a fun defense once again.
 

schuele

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So, Iowa gave up a division title in order to protect Moss? Interesting.
No, Iowa thought it had a better chance of winning the game by letting backups chase after the guy who everyone on God's green Earth knew was Nebraska's #1 option, rather than letting Riley Moss get anywhere near him.
 
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hexumhawk

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Nebraska beat them that day. I went in to the game thinking Nebraska's only chance that day was Iowa turnovers and not guarding Palmer. They got both.
 

SuperBigFan

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So, Iowa gave up a division title in order to protect Moss? Interesting.

I also don’t know how much sense it makes saying an NFL franchise was duped by BTN hype.

Iowa is hoping to get a CB portal addition so Cooper can move back inside to the cash position. Should be a fun defense once again.
They literally did that though.

That entire game was bad theater by KF. Look at the facts.

1. They have the starting QB fake an injury so that when they put the backup in, there is not as much heat on KF's kid for being a ****** coach.

2. They refuse to put their "star" DB on the WR that is torching them all game long. If they do put that white prime time on him and he gets torched as well, uh oh, what then???

NU could have put 50 up that game.

KF has you guys brainwashed.
 

hexumhawk

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They literally did that though.

That entire game was bad theater by KF. Look at the facts.

1. They have the starting QB fake an injury so that when they put the backup in, there is not as much heat on KF's kid for being a ****** coach.

2. They refuse to put their "star" DB on the WR that is torching them all game long. If they do put that white prime time on him and he gets torched as well, uh oh, what then???

NU could have put 50 up that game.

KF has you guys brainwashed.
No, it was just better scheming on Nebraska's part. Iowa lost its best DB and punt returner on like play 3 or 4. Iowa doesn't move CBs to line up on certain WRs- they play their side of the ball.
 

steinek11

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No, it was just better scheming on Nebraska's part. Iowa lost its best DB and punt returner on like play 3 or 4. Iowa doesn't move CBs to line up on certain WRs- they play their side of the ball.
You guys ready to move on from Kirk or is he the safe play?
 

king_kong_

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iowa fans (I know you all will read this)

it appears the softie who played corner for 10 seconds last year before hilariously being concussed is still stuck on black friday

he might need help.

 

Rk_kerk

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I am a Iowa fan. Did injuries alter the game? Absolutely, is that a part of football? Absolutely.

Nebraska won plain and simple.

Iowa has a great program going for them. Albeit not sexy. Take low level recruits and get them to the league. It’s the same recipe Nebraska hung their hat on for decades.

I believe Rhule will get you back to that level. Which is great for the Big 10 and great for the Iowa/Nebraska series.

Talking unnecessary trash between a barely .500 team and a below .500 team is embarrassing as hell on both fan fronts Imo
 

SuperBigFan

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I am a Iowa fan. Did injuries alter the game? Absolutely, is that a part of football? Absolutely.

Nebraska won plain and simple.

Iowa has a great program going for them. Albeit not sexy. Take low level recruits and get them to the league. It’s the same recipe Nebraska hung their hat on for decades.

I believe Rhule will get you back to that level. Which is great for the Big 10 and great for the Iowa/Nebraska series.

Talking unnecessary trash between a barely .500 team and a below .500 team is embarrassing as hell on both fan fronts Imo
The "injuries" (both fake ones) actually did change the game because it helped Iowa not get shut out.
 

SuperBigFan

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iowa fans (I know you all will read this)

it appears the softie who played corner for 10 seconds last year before hilariously being concussed is still stuck on black friday

he might need help.


That is so sad. It goes to show what a giant NU still is and how lame Iowa is.
 

RedBaloneyPony

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I am a Iowa fan. Did injuries alter the game? Absolutely, is that a part of football? Absolutely.

Nebraska won plain and simple.

Iowa has a great program going for them. Albeit not sexy. Take low level recruits and get them to the league. It’s the same recipe Nebraska hung their hat on for decades.

I believe Rhule will get you back to that level. Which is great for the Big 10 and great for the Iowa/Nebraska series.

Talking unnecessary trash between a barely .500 team and a below .500 team is embarrassing as hell on both fan fronts Imo
I like how you have 3 K’s in your handle. Subtle
 
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I am a Iowa fan. Did injuries alter the game? Absolutely, is that a part of football? Absolutely.

Nebraska won plain and simple.

Iowa has a great program going for them. Albeit not sexy. Take low level recruits and get them to the league. It’s the same recipe Nebraska hung their hat on for decades.

I believe Rhule will get you back to that level. Which is great for the Big 10 and great for the Iowa/Nebraska series.

Talking unnecessary trash between a barely .500 team and a below .500 team is embarrassing as hell on both fan fronts Imo

I am a Iowa fan. Did injuries alter the game? Absolutely, is that a part of football? Absolutely.
Thanks for the kind words about Rhule. I agree on the trash talk. How long do you think Ferentz keeps coaching? With three B10 West teams changing coaches, it's going to alter the division one way or another. Ferentz may need to adjust his formula.