Interesting Post Player Transfer from South Carolina

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Played at Roselle Catholic. From Jersey City. Listed at 6'7, 260, he is a post player...not a perimeter guy. Transfer tweet was retweeted by Mulcahy (could be nothing, could be a signal to come home).

As a Sophomore - 2019-20 (SOPHOMORE) Saw action in 30 games with 12 starts on the year, averaging 5.3 points, 3.7 rebounds and 0.7 blocks in 14.3 minutes.

Only played 3 games last year.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

 

[MadRU]

Played with Cliff in high school

 

[MCKnight]

Would be welcomed up front depth

 

[RUJMM78]

Why would Rutgers waste a scholarship on a undersized recruit when the need is for a tall back up center?

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Why would Rutgers waste a scholarship on a undersized recruit when the need is for a tall back up center?

Agreed. We really really need a 6'9 type post-up guy that can play significant minutes if Cliff gets injured and/or hasn't solved his foul problems from his frosh season, plus some Twin Towers sets w/Cliff.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Why would Rutgers waste a scholarship on a undersized recruit when the need is for a tall back up center?

Rutgers needs a backup post player content to play 12-15 minutes a game. A 6'7" 260 guy with long arms would fit the bill. A post player is needed, not just any guy that satisfies some kind of minimum height requirement.

Next year the post will be manned by Cliff, Reiber and a post transfer player.

I am not saying this is the guy to get but it's an interested option.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

This kid plays the way RU wants to play 6'8", good wingspan, rugged rebounder and physical in the paint. His numbers stretched out over 18 to 22 minutes would be ideal with Cliff. This would be an absolute steal, if it happens.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

This kid played center for South Carolina didn’t he? No idea if this is on the table, but this would be a game changer. He’s 260 pounds. If a kid like this were on the floor with RHJ and Caleb we could easily manage 15 minutes with Cliff on the bench without a drop off. We don’t necessarily need 6-10. That’s only the baseline - maybe Jones and Hyatt can offer even more physical combos to make up for Cliff getting breathers.

 

[Knight Ed_rivals]

STATS
2020-21
2019-20
2018-19

GP	MIN	FG%	3P%	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
3	18.7	44.4	0.0	50.0	3.7	0.0	0.3	0.0	1.7	1.3	3.3
30	14.3	59.6	0.0	56.9	3.7	0.5	0.7	0.5	2.7	0.7	5.3
24	8.8	44.1	22.2	44.0	1.8	0.2	0.3	0.3	2.2	0.6	2.7

 

[RUPete]

Reading some of the reports from USC media, he appeared to be in their plans this year and last before having to sit out due to a medical issue, which the stories imply was COVID. Had a solid year before he was out last year. 6-7 260 who played the post? I would take him in a second.

 

[RU82]

STATS
2020-21
2019-20
2018-19

GP	MIN	FG%	3P%	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
3	18.7	44.4	0.0	50.0	3.7	0.0	0.3	0.0	1.7	1.3	3.3
30	14.3	59.6	0.0	56.9	3.7	0.5	0.7	0.5	2.7	0.7	5.3
24	8.8	44.1	22.2	44.0	1.8	0.2	0.3	0.3	2.2	0.6	2.7

Certainly fits right in with our guys at the free throw line.

 

[Knights 1212]

Rashod Kent was only about 6'4" to 6'5". Ohio State's center was not that tall either. Some guys play center at much less than 6'11. Wes Unseld was another. It can be done.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

This guys would definitely help our depth ...

 

[MCKnight]

Height is overrated in college at the center position. Will he block and alter shots like Myles? No. But that is what we have Cliff for. If this team is to have similar success to last year, Cliff has to take the huge step and really be among the most improved players in the country as Pike indicated in a post season interview.

 

[Knight Ed_rivals]

Rashod Kent was only about 6'4" to 6'5". Ohio State's center was not that tall either. Some guys play center at much less than 6'11. Wes Unseld was another. It can be done.

I think having to go back 20 years for one of your examples might prove that it's better to be taller?

 

[kcg88]

I think having to go back 20 years for one of your examples might prove that it's better to be taller?

Baylor's center was 6'8" and they won the title. Houston didn't have anyone over 6'8" and they were #2 in the country in offensive rebounding. Alabama's tallest started was 6'8". Oregon and Maryland basically ran out lineups where the tallest guy was 6'6" or 6'7".

Baker 6'4"
Mulcahy 6'6"
Harper 6'6"
Mag 6'6"
Hyatt 6'6"
McConnell 6'7"
Jones 6'8"
Omoruyi 6'11"

That's plenty of height and length. They just need to use it properly. And box out.

 

[NickRU714]

Sure, you can have a shorter "center".
But only if your offense doesn't rely on having a tall/power center.

If the offense is predicated on up-tempo, 3pt shooting then you don't need a tall/post center.

I don't really see the value in comparing a Rutgers center to a Baylor or Houston Center unless we are going to run a similar offense.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

We need to match up size-wise with B1G teams first before worrying about Houston or Baylor.

 

[soundcrib]

Just hope Dean is putting in work!

 

[RUPete]

I think having to go back 20 years for one of your examples might prove that it's better to be taller?

This guy is taller. Kent probably isn't the best example because he was just a unique player and athlete in so many ways. If only he could have shot at least 60 percent from the line...

 

[kcg88]

Sure, you can have a shorter "center".
But only if your offense doesn't rely on having a tall/power center.

If the offense is predicated on up-tempo, 3pt shooting then you don't need a tall/post center.

I don't really see the value in comparing a Rutgers center to a Baylor or Houston Center unless we are going to run a similar offense.

We're not going to run that sort of offense full-time, because we have Cliff Omoruyi. But I think we'll see different styles with different lineups. In the Pikiell era he's always had two stand-in-the-paint bigs... Doorson and Johnson, then Johnson and Carter, then Johnson and Omoruyi.

Texas Tech had 6'7" Marcos Santos-Silva at center and were 316th in tempo and 305th in 3-point attempts. It can be done. Hyatt or Mag (or Harper, but I don't think he'd be asked to) could potentially play as a small-ball center for two 3:00 stretches a game. Figure Dean Reiber gets 6-8 minutes and you hope Cliff can give you the other 26-28 minutes. (To be clear, Hyatt/Mag would not be as effective as Santos-Silva but that's not the point... Santos-Silva was playing 20+ minutes at center, I'm saying we play this way for 6-8 minutes a game)

The way the team runs offense with the non-Cliff lineups will be different than the Cliff lineup. With experienced guys like Baker and Mulcahy to initiate the offense, it can be done. And then you let Jaden Jones do his thing in more basic sets with Cliff in there.

I wouldn't run the small-ball lineup against, like, Trevion Williams or Hunter Dickinson. They're too good in the post that even with a double team they'd make something good happen. But I would run it against Zach Edey and force him to defend at the 3 point line. I'd run it against Josh Ogundele or whoever Iowa has replacing Garza.

 

[RUInsanityToo]

Too much focus on physical height only. IMO what matters more is height plus wingspan. This might account for a 6'8" player at center.

 

[kcg88]

We need to match up size-wise with B1G teams first before worrying about Houston or Baylor.

The Big Ten isn't thaaat big this coming season.

You've got Hunter Dickinson and Trevion Williams and Qudus Wahab, fine.

Ohio State is going to have EJ Liddell (6'7) or Zed Key (6'8") at center.

Michigan State will have... I dunno, Marcus Bingham? A stiff breeze can knock that guy over.

Iowa will have a North Dakota transfer (6'9")

Indiana has TJD who is 6'9"' but is much more technique than muscle.

Wisconsin has no established big man.

Nebraska has 6'8" Derrick Walker.

I'll stop but it's not like everyone has a seven footer.

 

[Eagleton95.99]

Weight also matters. At 260 you can establish position which is half the battle.

 

[MadRU]

The Big Ten isn't thaaat big this coming season.

You've got Hunter Dickinson and Trevion Williams and Qudus Wahab, fine.

Ohio State is going to have EJ Liddell (6'7) or Zed Key (6'8") at center.

Michigan State will have... I dunno, Marcus Bingham? A stiff breeze can knock that guy over.

Iowa will have a North Dakota transfer (6'9")

Indiana has TJD who is 6'9"' but is much more technique than muscle.

Wisconsin has no established big man.

Nebraska has 6'8" Derrick Walker.

I'll stop but it's not like everyone has a seven footer.

Indiana also got a transfer, Michael Durr, a 7-foot center from South Florida

 

[soundcrib]

Weight also matters. At 260 you can establish position which is half the battle.

Agreed. Can we get 15-20 lbs on Cliff?

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

The Big Ten isn't thaaat big this coming season.

You've got Hunter Dickinson and Trevion Williams and Qudus Wahab, fine.

Ohio State is going to have EJ Liddell (6'7) or Zed Key (6'8") at center.

Michigan State will have... I dunno, Marcus Bingham? A stiff breeze can knock that guy over.

Iowa will have a North Dakota transfer (6'9")

Indiana has TJD who is 6'9"' but is much more technique than muscle.

Wisconsin has no established big man.

Nebraska has 6'8" Derrick Walker.

I'll stop but it's not like everyone has a seven footer.

I'd still like a quality 6'9 big to back-up and play with Cliff.

Note Purdue is huge with Trevion Williams at 6'10, a 6'9 Forward that was a #32 Rivals recruit, and of course returning soph Zach Edey at freakin' 7'4.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

I'd still like a quality 6'9 big to back-up and play with Cliff.

Note Purdue is huge with Trevion Williams at 6'10, a 6'9 Forward that was a #32 Rivals recruit, and of course returning soph Zach Edey at freakin' 7'4.

You should stop with the twin towers stuff. You are 10-15 years behind the times. 90% of the Teams play a BIG and 4 perimeter guys.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

You should stop with the twin towers stuff. It's not the 90's. 90% of the Teams play a BIG and 4 perimeter guys.

By design or out of necessity? I'll take a 6'10 Cliff with a 6'9 or 6'8 combo on the floor for 10+ mins a game.

 

[RUPete]

As others have noted, way too much obsessing over size in this thread. I think this player would be fine for what we need if he is interested in us.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

By design or out of necessity? I'll take a 6'10 Cliff with a 6'9 or 6'8 combo on the floor for 10+ mins a game.

If Pikiell wanted to do that he would have done it long ago with Myles and Cliff or Myles and Shaq Carter or Myles and Doorson or Doorson and Gettys.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

If Pikiell wanted to do that he would have done it long ago with Myles and Cliff or Myles and Shaq Carter or Myles and Doorson or Doorson and Gettys.

I noted that it depends on the talent mix available. Because Reiber was so far behind last season the best plan was to rotate Myles and Cliff. Neither Myles, Carter or Doorson had the athleticism of Cliff, so those combos would clog things up on the offensive end imo. Cliff can and should be more mobile on the offensive end with another big on the floor.

 

[Ruthinking]

Agreed. We really really need a 6'9 type post-up guy that can play significant minutes if Cliff gets injured and/or hasn't solved his foul problems from his frosh season, plus some Twin Towers sets w/Cliff.

If Pikell didn't play "twin towers" when we had them last year, I doubt we'll ever see that line up in the future. Just sayin'.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

If Pikell didn't play "twin towers" when we had them last year, I doubt we'll ever see that line up in the future. Just sayin'.

idk about that--plus Cliff's injury might have been an issue

I noted that it depends on the talent mix available. Because Reiber was so far behind last season the best plan was to rotate Myles and Cliff. Neither Myles, Carter or Doorson had the athleticism of Cliff, so those combos would clog things up on the offensive end imo. Cliff can and should be more mobile on the offensive end with another big on the floor.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

I noted that it depends on the talent mix available. Because Reiber was so far behind last season the best plan was to rotate Myles and Cliff. Neither Myles, Carter or Doorson had the athleticism of Cliff, so those combos would clog things up on the offensive end imo. Cliff can and should be more mobile on the offensive end with another big on the floor.

Come on dude...Cliff is not a perimeter defender that can guard today's 4's that mostly play on the perimeter and would bring nothing to the team playing on the perimeter on offense.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Come on dude...Cliff is not a perimeter defender that can guard today's 4's that mostly play on the perimeter and would bring nothing to the team playing on the perimeter on offense.

Who said Cliff would be guarding 4's on the perimeter? Or playing perimeter offense? If you want to go through a B1G schedule with only Reiber backing-up Cliff it's going to be a long season, dude.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Who said Cliff would be guarding 4's on the perimeter? Or playing perimeter offense? If you want to go through a B1G schedule with only Reiber backing-up Cliff it's going to be a long season, dude.

Well, you have been mentioning twin towers for a few years. That includes last year... Myles and Cliff. Cliff would have been guarding perimeter 4's. Lol, imagine him guarding Livers at Michigan last year.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Well, you have been mentioning twin towers for a few years. That includes last year... Myles and Cliff. Cliff would have been guarding perimeter 4's. Lol, imagine him guarding Livers at Michigan last year.

Who would run that set in a match-up like that? Geez you're really trying too hard . Also, you've heard of zone defense no? Lol.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

We need a big man not to play alongside of Cliff, but to share Cliff’s play time. We’re a pretty slow team already. We don’t need two bigs to make us even slower. We lost arguably our three best defenders from last year. Put another big in with Cliff and I’m afraid we won’t be able to guard any team.