One of the announcers pointed out that Rutgers is the only team in the Big Ten to not get blown out this year. It wasn't too long ago that blowout losses were a regular thing
Interesting observation on BTN
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I have been saying it all year. They is not another team with hopes of making the NCAA ‘s that can say that simple fact. Has to be a serious consideration whether they seed us as a 6, 7, or 8 seed. I think a 6 or 7 seed is where we belong.
Top 10 NET
SD St. 0 losses
Baylor 1 loss by 3
Gonzaga 1 loss by 18
Kansas loss by 12
Dayton loss by 6
Duke loss by 7,
Maryland loss by 18
Arizona loss by 17
Louisville loss by 15
WVU loss by 16
Half of the top 10 have a bigger loss than us.
SD St. 0 losses
Baylor 1 loss by 3
Gonzaga 1 loss by 18
Kansas loss by 12
Dayton loss by 6
Duke loss by 7,
Maryland loss by 18
Arizona loss by 17
Louisville loss by 15
WVU loss by 16
Half of the top 10 have a bigger loss than us.
Here's the largest and second-largest in-conference losses:
Maryland: 18 at Iowa, 7 at Penn State
Michigan State: 29 at Purdue, 9 at Michigan
Penn State: 32 at Ohio State, 11 at Rutgers
Rutgers: 12 at Michigan State, 6 at Ohio State
Iowa: 36 at Purdue, 12 at Indiana
Wisconsin: 19 at Purdue, 18 at Minnesota
Illinois: 20 at Michigan State, 15 at Rutgers
Ohio State: 14 at Penn State, 13 at Minnesota
Purdue: 26 at Illinois, 16 at Ohio State
Michigan: 18 at Michigan State, 9 at Illinois
Minnesota: 20 at Iowa, 18 vs. Michigan
Indiana: 20 at Wisconsin, 15 at Penn State
Rutgers has the smallest biggest margin of defeat (yes, that sentence was typed properly). Additionally, 8 of the top 12 have at least two losses by double digits.
Maryland: 18 at Iowa, 7 at Penn State
Michigan State: 29 at Purdue, 9 at Michigan
Penn State: 32 at Ohio State, 11 at Rutgers
Rutgers: 12 at Michigan State, 6 at Ohio State
Iowa: 36 at Purdue, 12 at Indiana
Wisconsin: 19 at Purdue, 18 at Minnesota
Illinois: 20 at Michigan State, 15 at Rutgers
Ohio State: 14 at Penn State, 13 at Minnesota
Purdue: 26 at Illinois, 16 at Ohio State
Michigan: 18 at Michigan State, 9 at Illinois
Minnesota: 20 at Iowa, 18 vs. Michigan
Indiana: 20 at Wisconsin, 15 at Penn State
Rutgers has the smallest biggest margin of defeat (yes, that sentence was typed properly). Additionally, 8 of the top 12 have at least two losses by double digits.
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As I have been saying , we are not only one of the teams in the Big 10 to not be blown out but one of the few teams in the country and definitely different than any teams vying for the NCAA or so called bubble teams.
I’ve been saying this for a few weeks as well. Our losses were by 6, 11, 12, 3, 5, 6, 5 and 6 points. And we were “in” that 12 point MSU loss deep into the 2nd half.
I cannot imagine there’s another team with a similar W-L record (or better) who hasn’t had a loss worse than 12 points.
This is actually quite an amazing data point, and if it holds during the last five games, Pike and Hobbs should be touting it till the cows come home (among other things they can tout in advocating for a bid).
I cannot imagine there’s another team with a similar W-L record (or better) who hasn’t had a loss worse than 12 points.
This is actually quite an amazing data point, and if it holds during the last five games, Pike and Hobbs should be touting it till the cows come home (among other things they can tout in advocating for a bid).
Good work here, KCG, but we lost to MSU by 12 (77-65 I think). But your analysis stands.
You were probably subconsciously trying to forget the Pitt game — worst game we played all year.
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I would like to be a 6 or an 11...
The 6/11 faces the 3/14 and then the 2/7 then the 1/4 for the Final Four.. I think that's our best shot at the Elite 8... and such an appearance would change the program for a long time to come..
..no pressure though
The 6/11 faces the 3/14 and then the 2/7 then the 1/4 for the Final Four.. I think that's our best shot at the Elite 8... and such an appearance would change the program for a long time to come..
..no pressure though
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That's a good stat. Did they say where blowout margins begin? I'm thinking at least 20 points.
Even if the margin is 15, we’re still without a blowout loss. Our losses have been by 6, 11, 12, 3, 5, 6, 5, and 6 points.
I brought this up in a thread last night. I'm hoping starting next year we learn how to win these games on the road. That will be the biggest leap we can make after this wonderful season so far.
Thanks, but my question wasn't about Rutgers' losses because, imo Rutgers hasn't been blown out, I just wanted to know what the BTN announcer was using as a blowout baseline.
Since you couldn't answer my question I guess you don't know what the announcer was using as a blowout Baseline either.
He didn't give his criteria. He mentioned it to support a point he was making that good defense never has an off night
Bummer that he didn't give his criteria. Would be nice to know what he is basing his comment on.
Typically that is true but not always true. Sometimes, usually in a road game, the defense doesn't 'travel' as coaches like to say.
West Virginia has the No. 2 ranked defense per Kenpom (Adj. Efficiency) and they gave up 84 points to Kansas State and lost by 16. Virginia has the No. 4 defense per Kenpom and Purdue beat them by 29. Stanford at No. 10 was beaten by 16 by Kansas.
The fact that Rutgers' worse loss is by 12 points is impressive af.
In 2018, Penn State finished 21-13, 9-9 in the Big 10 and 2-1 in the Big Ten Tournament.
It was ranked 31 in KenPom.
Its losses were by 11, 7, 1, 1, 6, 4, 11 (OT), 9, 8, 3, 9, 12 and 8.
It defeated No. 13 on the road, No. 8 at home and No. 13 on a neutral site.
It got a 4-seed ... in the NIT.
It was ranked 31 in KenPom.
Its losses were by 11, 7, 1, 1, 6, 4, 11 (OT), 9, 8, 3, 9, 12 and 8.
It defeated No. 13 on the road, No. 8 at home and No. 13 on a neutral site.
It got a 4-seed ... in the NIT.
The Big Ten stunk that season. Nebraska went 13-5 and didn't make the tournament.
One bad loss, to Rider, on a buzzer-beater.
The Big 10 was rated the fifth-toughest conference that year.
The big issue was the lack of quality wins - all those ranked wins mentioned above were to the same team, Ohio State, which allowed the committee to rationalize them as some kind of anomaly - and a poor non-Con SOS and as a result, RPI.
The NCAA wouldn’t rerun the 2018 teams with the NET adopted in 2019, but it seems that team would have fared far better in the NET.
Penn State strolled through the NIT and ended at 19 in KenPom, 16 in Torvik.
I think Rutgers is in great shape for an at-large bid, by the way.
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The issue with PSU in 2018 was that the NCAA was still using the RPI, and we were 63rd in it on Selection Sunday. Wasn’t enough to overcome everything else.
All of those close losses are great for Pomeroy and NET, but were meaningless in the RPI.
I also expect Rutgers to be fine as you guys win one more in the regular season and avoid a loss on Wednesday in Indy (and expect you’ll do that and more).
All of those close losses are great for Pomeroy and NET, but were meaningless in the RPI.
I also expect Rutgers to be fine as you guys win one more in the regular season and avoid a loss on Wednesday in Indy (and expect you’ll do that and more).
The issue comes with unbalanced conference schedules...13-5 is great, but that Nebraska team had a really fortunate draw in the regular season, lost their first game at MSG, and had an underwhelming non-conf performance. 13-5 wasn’t enough to overcome everything else.
We are not playing Wednesday as we are trying to get the double bye like Penn State , and if not then Thursday at the earliest. Tell me another team in the country that beat 3 ranked teams by double digits ? I think the answer is one team. Rutgers Scarlet Knights . Penn State, Maryland, and Rutgers , the eastern branch of the Big10 will be doing damage both in the Big 10 tourney and the dance. Looking forward to the game at Penn State , should be a classic.