Indiana

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Cignetti had a recruiting pipeline that ran through Bama. His association there got him some dudes. My personal belief that his connection with their S&C staff may have something to do with crappy teams suddenly becoming physically dominant.

You realize when Urban Meyer was offered the job at OSU, he said he would only take the that job if they were able to get him Florida S & C coach to come to OSU?

Cig is much older, and his story is yet to be told, but I see him on the same trajectory as a Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer and Nick Saban, but without the longevity. A guy who can come in and change the narrative in one season, then challenge for a national title in year 2.

He's very reminiscent of Urban Meyer. His teams know how to grab an opponent by the throat and choke the life out of them. Then throw half a hundred on them for good measure.

Until other teams start coming in and stripping away Cig's really talented coaches and Coordinators, I suspect they will become more and more formidable.

 

[cubsker15]

Mendoza's brother was already there and is the current backup qb.

 

[dinglefritz]

You realize when Urban Meyer was offered the job at OSU, he said he would only take the that job if they were able to get him Florida S & C coach to come to OSU?

Cig is much older, and his story is yet to be told, but I see him on the same trajectory as a Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer and Nick Saban, but without the longevity. A guy who can come in and change the narrative in one season, then challenge for a national title in year 2.

He's very reminiscent of Urban Meyer. His teams know how to grab an opponent by the throat and choke the life out of them. Then throw half a hundred on them for good measure.

Until other teams start coming in and stripping away Cig's really talented coaches and Coordinators, I suspect they will become more and more formidable.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that Indiana’s quick rise to physical dominance is all coaching. Cignetti is really good. He’s not God. They’re manhandling people in the front 7.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I find it extremely difficult to believe that Indiana’s quick rise to physical dominance is all coaching. Cignetti is really good. He’s not God. They’re manhandling people in the front 7.

Just like NU through decades and decades. So as fans, we acted like we didn't know it? We all pretend like its diet, weightlifting and proper sleep. Gimme a break.

 

[Baxter48]

I find it extremely difficult to believe that Indiana’s quick rise to physical dominance is all coaching. Cignetti is really good. He’s not God. They’re manhandling people in the front 7.

I venture to say cig is tampering with other teams players. The guy is successful at Indiana but he’s in the same category as Jim Harbaugh pretty slimy will do anything it takes to win

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I venture to say cig is tampering with other teams players. The guy is successful at Indiana but he’s in the same category as Jim Harbaugh pretty slimy will do anything it takes to win

Who has he signed that wasn't already in the portal?

 

[konaki]

I think too many may have missed what was reported during the Oregon game I believe, that Cignetti told reporters or someone to that effect that Indiana wasn't physical enough up front to win championships and they would have to go out and get those players. Bottom line this is what is one key factor that is holding Nebraska back from being just a winner and I think we all know this deep down inside our guts. It's not all about skill position players you need those beasts up front to control games and until we do we are going to be what we are just a 500 club.

 

[konaki]

I venture to say cig is tampering with other teams players. The guy is successful at Indiana but he’s in the same category as Jim Harbaugh pretty slimy will do anything it takes to win

This isn't college football of the past it's now taken on the NFL model. Yes there is tampering but that needs to be proven and it hasn't yet. Cignetti has a blueprint on building a monster and now other programs will have to learn or they will be left behind. The days of building totally through High School scholarships are gone it's now gone through NIL and with some kids you've retained. It's up to should I say it, the NCAA or some governing body to put a cap on NIL spending before it kills most schools who don't have the resources to compete. The courts let the Genie out of the bottle and they can't put it back in or don't know how.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I think too many may have missed what was reported during the Oregon game I believe, that Cignetti told reporters or someone to that effect that Indiana wasn't physical enough up front to win championships and they would have to go out and get those players. Bottom line this is what is one key factor that is holding Nebraska back from being just a winner and I think we all know this deep down inside our guts. It's not all about skill position players you need those beasts up front to control games and until we do we are going to be what we are just a 500 club.

It's easier to "talk" about winning championships like some do at Nebraska, all the while we're getting our a**es blown off the line both ways against the mighty Gophers.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

This isn't college football of the past it's now taken on the NFL model. Yes there is tampering but that needs to be proven and it hasn't yet. Cignetti has a blueprint on building a monster and now other programs will have to learn or they will be left behind. The days of building totally through High School scholarships are gone it's now gone through NIL and with some kids you've retained. It's up to should I say it, the NCAA or some governing body to put a cap on NIL spending before it kills most schools who don't have the resources to compete. The courts let the Genie out of the bottle and they can't put it back in or don't know how.

I swear, we have so many fans on this board who don't know anything about the history of sleazy coaches in college football. Look at Ron Meyer from SMU, Danny Ford at Clemson, Jackie Sherrill
from A & M and Pittsburgh, and on and on and on. Some on here act like whatever Cignetti is doing is some kind of new novel idea.

I can bore people on here about Bear Bryant disciples and their lust to attain his power, fame and success using any measures available in that era. For every decent coach who played under Bryant, like Gene Stallings and Mike Riley, there are serial cheaters like Ford Sherill, Ray Perkins, and soon to be some of the disciples of Nick Saban.

Barry Switzer, Steve Spurrier, Bobby Bowden, Joe Paterno, Tom Osborne, Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, Saban, and a few other all eventually make the decision to do things to win at any costs. You either keep getting your head beat in when you play these types or you join the crowd. It's that simple.

Look at the modern day Saban disciples, Sark, Kiffin and Cignetti. Sark and Kiffin are successful, but pale in comparison to Saban's achievements. Eventually, both Sark and Kiffin will submit to the dark side and do whatever it takes to rise to that elite level of winning. Maybe Cignetti already skipped those steps and has bypassed them in terms of success. At the end of the day, people will know who Curt Cignetti is and they won't have to Google his name either.

It's no different than the rampant use of steroids in baseball with McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmeiro, Clemens and many others. They all had the natural ability to make it to the Hall of Fame, but it becomes about breaking records and the rules no longer applied to them.

Human nature rules. Period.

 

[dinglefritz]

Just like NU through decades and decades. So as fans, we acted like we didn't know it? We all pretend like it’s diet, weightlifting and proper sleep. Gimme a break.

I believe that the stain of Boyd’s vitamin regimens has made NU’s administration very vigilant on the use of “nutraceuticals”. I also believe that top programs are currently maximizing physical potential of their athletes by whatever means needed. The Watt brothers have both admitted to PED use at Wisconsin. Barry didn’t just build those 2and 3 star linemen in to bulldozers at the buffet line. It’s possible that some of their fall is due to having an AD now that is concerned about PED use.

 

[huskat]

If the transfer portal wasn’t in existence would Indiana be this successful?

Why does that matter?

 

[Baxter48]

Why does that matter?

If it didn’t exist cignette wouldn’t be successful at Indiana

 

[steinek11]

Thanks Mr. Kiper.

Will revisit this in 2 to 3 years.

 

[steinek11]

I find it extremely difficult to believe that Indiana’s quick rise to physical dominance is all coaching. Cignetti is really good. He’s not God. They’re manhandling people in the front 7.

They’re not manhandling anybody. They hold their ground at the line of scrimmage and shift toward the runner or let the linebackers make the play. The key is at their guys are not out of position. They are fundamentally sound.

 

[konaki]

Why was Bear Bryant such a success, and no I'm not saying Signetti is the second coming of the Bear but what I'm saying is coaches like the bear and even our own legendary Bob Devaney were tough coaches who demanded tough nosed players who didn't and don't coddle their players.

Our Hall of fame coach Tom Osborne left the dirty work to his assistant coaches so he could be that nice fatherly figure towards his players and the media, but make no bones about it those teams were tough and were coached tough unlike what we see today.

 

[steinek11]

I swear, we have so many fans on this board who don't know anything about the history of sleazy coaches in college football. Look at Ron Meyer from SMU, Danny Ford at Clemson, Jackie Sherrill
from A & M and Pittsburgh, and on and on and on. Some on here act like whatever Cignetti is doing is some kind of new novel idea.

I can bore people on here about Bear Bryant disciples and their lust to attain his power, fame and success using any measures available in that era. For every decent coach who played under Bryant, like Gene Stallings and Mike Riley, there are serial cheaters like Ford Sherill, Ray Perkins, and soon to be some of the disciples of Nick Saban.

Barry Switzer, Steve Spurrier, Bobby Bowden, Joe Paterno, Tom Osborne, Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, Saban, and a few other all eventually make the decision to do things to win at any costs. You either keep getting your head beat in when you play these types or you join the crowd. It's that simple.

Look at the modern day Saban disciples, Sark, Kiffin and Cignetti. Sark and Kiffin are successful, but pale in comparison to Saban's achievements. Eventually, both Sark and Kiffin will submit to the dark side and do whatever it takes to rise to that elite level of winning. Maybe Cignetti already skipped those steps and has bypassed them in terms of success. At the end of the day, people will know who Curt Cignetti is and they won't have to Google his name either.

It's no different than the rampant use of steroids in baseball with McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmeiro, Clemens and many others. They all had the natural ability to make it to the Hall of Fame, but it becomes about breaking records and the rules no longer applied to them.

Human nature rules. Period.

The burden of proof is on you

 

[redli33]

So you think Mendoza wound up at IND by accident? You realize he was not even in the Top Ten QB's in the country for NIL?

If Cignetti found 2 low profile QB's from low profile colleges, you don't think he'll find another one next year? I do.

it works until it doesn't

 

[konaki]

I swear, we have so many fans on this board who don't know anything about the history of sleazy coaches in college football. Look at Ron Meyer from SMU, Danny Ford at Clemson, Jackie Sherrill
from A & M and Pittsburgh, and on and on and on. Some on here act like whatever Cignetti is doing is some kind of new novel idea.

I can bore people on here about Bear Bryant disciples and their lust to attain his power, fame and success using any measures available in that era. For every decent coach who played under Bryant, like Gene Stallings and Mike Riley, there are serial cheaters like Ford Sherill, Ray Perkins, and soon to be some of the disciples of Nick Saban.

Barry Switzer, Steve Spurrier, Bobby Bowden, Joe Paterno, Tom Osborne, Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, Saban, and a few other all eventually make the decision to do things to win at any costs. You either keep getting your head beat in when you play these types or you join the crowd. It's that simple.

Look at the modern day Saban disciples, Sark, Kiffin and Cignetti. Sark and Kiffin are successful, but pale in comparison to Saban's achievements. Eventually, both Sark and Kiffin will submit to the dark side and do whatever it takes to rise to that elite level of winning. Maybe Cignetti already skipped those steps and has bypassed them in terms of success. At the end of the day, people will know who Curt Cignetti is and they won't have to Google his name either.

It's no different than the rampant use of steroids in baseball with McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmeiro, Clemens and many others. They all had the natural ability to make it to the Hall of Fame, but it becomes about breaking records and the rules no longer applied to them.

Human nature rules. Period.

I was responding to the claim that Cignetti was tampering, it's something I haven't even heard before. Of course I'm fully aware of the cheating that has gone on forever in college football, even Nebraska used the needle to keep up.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

If it didn’t exist cignette wouldn’t be successful at Indiana

That's not a very strong argument. LOL

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

The burden of proof is on you

Thank you counselor. My long term interest in the sport extends far beyond the borders of Nebraska.

 

[dinglefritz]

Why was Bear Bryant such a success, and no I'm not saying Signetti is the second coming of the Bear but what I'm saying is coaches like the bear and even our own legendary Bob Devaney were tough coaches who demanded tough nosed players who didn't and don't coddle their players.

Our Hall of fame coach Tom Osborne left the dirty work to his assistant coaches so he could be that nice fatherly figure towards his players and the media, but make no bones about it those teams were tough and were coached tough unlike what we see today.

You’ve obviously never heard the stories of the fiery redhead(TO) going off in practice. You also apparently haven’t watched any Husker practices lately either. We have plenty of bad cops on the staff.

 

[B1G RED]

Weren’t people saying the same thing about them last year?

BINGO.

 

[B1G RED]

So you think Mendoza wound up at IND by accident? You realize he was not even in the Top Ten QB's in the country for NIL?

If Cignetti found 2 low profile QB's from low profile colleges, you don't think he'll find another one next year? I do.

It would be flat out scary to see how he could develop Dylan Raiola.

 

[B1G RED]

I find it extremely difficult to believe that Indiana’s quick rise to physical dominance is all coaching. Cignetti is really good. He’s not God. They’re manhandling people in the front 7.

Maybe he’s figured out the formula like Nebraska used to – bring in guys like the Peter Brothers, turn them into guys that look like WWE wrestlers, then watch them shrink up after they leave playing football.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

It would be flat out scary to see how he could develop Dylan Raiola.

Dylan doesn't even register as a Cignetti type QB.

 

[B1G RED]

I believe that the stain of Boyd’s vitamin regimens has made NU’s administration very vigilant on the use of “nutraceuticals”. I also believe that top programs are currently maximizing physical potential of their athletes by whatever means needed. The Watt brothers have both admitted to PED use at Wisconsin. Barry didn’t just build those 2and 3 star linemen in to bulldozers at the buffet line. It’s possible that some of their fall is due to having an AD now that is concerned about PED use.

You could substitute the name “Nebraska” in for Wisconsin and “Peter” in for Watts in this post and it could tell the same story.

 

[konaki]

You’ve obviously never heard the stories of the fiery redhead(TO) going off in practice. You also apparently haven’t watched any Husker practices lately either. We have plenty of bad cops on the staff.

Examples of bad cops on staff that are turning our players into a team hard to play against. Yes Nebraska is a young team and I want to believe Nebraska is turning into a top program in the BIG but this is year three and we have four more games to improve on our record to prove it.

Yes dagnabbit as TO would say when he got mad and upset at times but there's the difference, he left the really dirty work to his assistants and team leaders. You didn't mess around with those leaders on TO's team's because you paid a steep price when you messed up.

 

[dinglefritz]

Examples of bad cops on staff that are turning our players into a team hard to play against. Yes Nebraska is a young team and I want to believe Nebraska is turning into a top program in the BIG but this is year three and we have four more games to improve on our record to prove it.

Yes dagnabbit as TO would say when he got mad and upset at times but there's the difference, he left the really dirty work to his assistants and team leaders. You didn't mess around with those leaders on TO's team's because you paid a steep price when you messed up.

Multiple former players have told stories about fearing Osborne’s wrath. He might not have used profanity but he could express his displeasure.

 

[Nuts McClanahan]

So you think Mendoza wound up at IND by accident? You realize he was not even in the Top Ten QB's in the country for NIL?

If Cignetti found 2 low profile QB's from low profile colleges, you don't think he'll find another one next year? I do.

Mendoza mentioned among the top QB transfers last year and he was on the radar as an NFL draft prospect. I remember hearing about him when he transferred. But he's a perfect fit in that system and yes, I bet he'll find another guy next year.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Mendoza mentioned among the top QB transfers last year and he was on the radar as an NFL draft prospect. I remember hearing about him when he transferred. But he's a perfect fit in that system and yes, I bet he'll find another guy next year.

I watched him last year at Cal. They just kept beating teams they shouldn't have, they were extremely good on the road against hostile crowds. Seemed like when the pressure was on, he just kept making good plays. I had no idea he would wind up at IND, but Cignetti just seems to have a knack of finding the guy that fits his system.

I've seen IND about 3 times this year, it seems they've seriously upgraded in areas that were deficient from watching them against OSU and ND last year. Cignetti seems to know just what he's looking for.

We all know what NU could have looked like this year if we had grabbed another really good OT and throw in a NT or Ty Robinson type DT. Different ballclub and maybe enough to have beaten Michigan. Minnesota? There's just no way we could have anticipated that outcome.

 

[huskat]

If it didn’t exist cignette wouldn’t be successful at Indiana

Yeah, but everyone has access to it. It is not a benefit unique to Indiana.

 

[Baxter48]

Yeah, but everyone has access to it. It is not a benefit unique to Indiana.

Unless you tamper with players on different teams

 

[king_kong__]

I think too many may have missed what was reported during the Oregon game I believe, that Cignetti told reporters or someone to that effect that Indiana wasn't physical enough up front to win championships and they would have to go out and get those players. Bottom line this is what is one key factor that is holding Nebraska back from being just a winner and I think we all know this deep down inside our guts. It's not all about skill position players you need those beasts up front to control games and until we do we are going to be what we are just a 500 club.

No tough guys want to play for a soft team
Mom who wants to throw it constantly and cries during postgame pressers

 

[mgbreeze]

I believe that the stain of Boyd’s vitamin regimens has made NU’s administration very vigilant on the use of “nutraceuticals”. I also believe that top programs are currently maximizing physical potential of their athletes by whatever means needed. The Watt brothers have both admitted to PED use at Wisconsin. Barry didn’t just build those 2and 3 star linemen in to bulldozers at the buffet line. It’s possible that some of their fall is due to having an AD now that is concerned about PED use.

I don't think that's true about the Watt brothers. I don't either one of them have admitted to PED use at any time.

 

[Anon1752071136]

Unless you tamper with players on different teams

Seriously? If you aren't "tampering" (whatever that means), you aren't trying. NIL has changed everything, including so-called tampering. Whoever has the best eye for talent and shows the money for that talent wins.

 

[king_kong__]

I don't think that's true about the Watt brothers. I don't either one of them have admitted to PED use at any time.

The haven’t.

Just more dingle fanfic

 

[mgbreeze]

Seriously? If you aren't "tampering" (whatever that means), you aren't trying. NIL has changed everything, including so-called tampering. Whoever has the best eye for talent and shows the money for that talent wins.

No doubt. We're about 6 months from holding open bidding at halftime.

 

[king_kong__]

No doubt. We're about 6 months from holding open bidding at halftime.

Whoa whoa whoa

This post belongs in the blackface thread!

 

[dinglefritz]

I don't think that's true about the Watt brothers. I don't either one of them have admitted to PED use at any time.

You missed it.