Has Nebraska been getting the majority of the talent in the state the last few years? Just wondering.
In state recruiting
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One to Oklahoma last year. One verbal to Oklahoma this year. Also, Oregon (2), Auburn, Iowa and Wyoming.
Mind if an outsider asks a question? What are your realistic expectations? Your in a state that even if you dominate recruiting, it isn't close to enough. The population of the entire state is about half the population of Atlanta. You have to coax kids to come from all over the nation to come to the middle of nowhere and in the process how many powerhouse schools to they have to drive past? Short of finding that transcendent personality that can make Tommie Frazier spurn all three big in-state schools, what do you honestly think is reasonable? That's what its going to take. A bigger than life personality, that can also coach, to make kids drive 300-1000 extra miles when football factories are all within a 5 hour drive. If you don't find that guy with all the extra special gifts, I think your days of being "Nebraska" are over. And, yes, I think its kind of sad also. I also remember Big Red.
Here's the problem with Nebraska HS football........Only one of the 247 Composite top 435 national prospects in the class of 2023 is from the state of Nebraska. And only 2 of the top 599. That just isn't going to get it done no matter how anyone tries to spin it. Don't think that recruiting giants - like Urban Meyer - don't realize this
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And I looked at the 247 National Composite for 2024 and there are no Nebraska HS players in the top 250.
Does it really matter. A 4* coming out of Neb vs a 4* coming out of Georgia is different. I get they use the same scale, but it’s like be the tallest midget. You’re still a midget.
There's the problem in a nutshell. If you look at the states bordering Nebraska - Iowa, S. Dakota, Wyoming, Colorado, Kansas..... - all are very weak HS football states and if you don't think so, do a similar 247 Composite search like above. The HS football starts to get somewhat stronger when you get into Illinois and Indiana and especially in Ohio, Michigan and western PA.
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Realistic expectations are the same as they used to be. Nebraska does not have the population or the prospects so we need a solid program that is only possible with excellent coaching. Then more good out of state prospects will consider us.
Frost was lazy recruiting Nebraska. Everyone in the know realizes that. But here's the deal, do you think that a guy who is lazy with in-state recruiting would be a meticulous, out work everyone else, bulldog with out of state recruiting? Of course not. He half-assed out of state recruiting too! Sure we got a few guys each year, but he also pulled in plenty of questionable prospects whose only attribute was that they had 3 or 4 stars next to their name. And those guys are long gone or their *** is glued to the bench.
Short answer is yes. They lost out on only a few players they have wanted the last couple of years.
Local Players starting / playing a lot
Nelson
Feist
Henrich
Nash (no FBS programs in SD)
Reimer
Gifford
Hausman
Hixson
Teddy P
Belt
Nate B
Franke
Left early
Betts
Cam
Also won some battles for big name guys from neighboring states
Turner C
Benhart
Lutovsky
Fidone
We've done fine recruiting. We've done terribly at coaching and player development.
Nelson
Feist
Henrich
Nash (no FBS programs in SD)
Reimer
Gifford
Hausman
Hixson
Teddy P
Belt
Nate B
Franke
Left early
Betts
Cam
Also won some battles for big name guys from neighboring states
Turner C
Benhart
Lutovsky
Fidone
We've done fine recruiting. We've done terribly at coaching and player development.
What good does it do to get in state recruits when they don't do anything on the field ? I say stop recruiting Nebraska and start hitting California and maybe Texas. We have to do something different than we have for the last 20 years.
It takes a lot more than just being a good X's and O's guy and motivator. Could be that Frost was both of those. Programs like Georgia and LSU are going to be no worse than good by throwing their helmets on the field (BTW, I hate both of them, I went to Auburn). There is enough in-state talent that they will sign enough by accident to field a good team. Neither really competes with another in-state school. They may have to fend off other schools for their premium players but the D1 eligible players in those states is a hundred deep. Same with Florida but there are more schools at the trough. We have the advantage of being close enough to all of them to grab up a couple from each state that they simply don't have the room to sign. And we're a two hour drive away. I'm sympathetic, my Dad got his master's at Nebraska (undergrad at UF). I just don't see a path for you IF all things are equal. You have to find a way to make kids go that far away, passing other football factories as they drive. Because you "used" to be Nebraska isn't enough. That takes the "transcendent" personality that is superior to your competitors. A good football coach is easy to find, I think Frost was a good football coach. The guy with the something special is rare.
We’ve also got several HS All-Americans not sniffing honorable mention for their positions or playing much at all.
So double down on the development piece.
Seems the full staff would put full court recruiting press on guys like Ty Robinson and Nash, maybe a couple others, but didn’t seem like the norm to get other targets.
However, I would say Frost & Co. recruited awfully well considering we’ve been a loser program each year.
So double down on the development piece.
Seems the full staff would put full court recruiting press on guys like Ty Robinson and Nash, maybe a couple others, but didn’t seem like the norm to get other targets.
However, I would say Frost & Co. recruited awfully well considering we’ve been a loser program each year.
So who are you talking about ? Are close rate has to be 75% . Do the numbers.
Benning had a pretty strong indictment about the lazy in-state recruiting under Frost. I couldn’t agree more based on the impressions I already had. Relationships and reputation were damaged during his tenure.
It’s not just about the specific players or whether they’re good enough to offer but the reputation to be able to get the ones you want when they come along. Inexcusable is the word.
Mickey has already made it immediately apparent he won’t get outworked, already establishing his presence.
It’s not just about the specific players or whether they’re good enough to offer but the reputation to be able to get the ones you want when they come along. Inexcusable is the word.
Mickey has already made it immediately apparent he won’t get outworked, already establishing his presence.
Regularly recruiting the 4th best class in the B1G and then having a sub par S&C and coaching staff will get you where we are today. Minnesota can puff their chest all they want, but once NU gets a coach who understands how to develop teams for the future, we will be fine and teams like MN will be small speedbumps again. Add in a coach who can actually OUT recruit Frost (who apparently was very lazy), you might see us leapfrog teams like PSU and fall into that 3rd spot in the B1G, every once an awhile pushing Mich and OSU. First things first, get us a competent coach for once, then see what happens.