In State Bball talent

V-Doub

Heisman
Jul 8, 2007
22,364
29,063
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Is making the tournament that big of an accomplishment?

I’m not giving contract extensions to Hoiberg. I’m just predicting what the administration will do. And yes, whether you or I agree, I believe Fred is safe for the next 2-3 years if he makes the dance again. And I think he retires here if he wins in the tournament.
 

Redscarlet

Heisman
Jun 17, 2001
33,041
11,051
113
Don’t you think 364 is too many?
I don’t make up the rules. But some of these schools basketball is all they have that pay the bills.

134 Division 1 football schools some say that is too many.
 

mgbreeze

All-Conference
Dec 16, 2004
10,115
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Scheierman was Tim Miles' miss. Fred tried to get him out of the portal in 2022 but you can't blame him for choosing Creighton, especially considering how bad Fred's first few years had gone. Regardless, Scheierman only averaged about 6 ppg his first year at South Dakota State. Had he gone to a major program right way, he likely wouldn't have gotten enough playing time early on to develop the way he did.
He might have been Miles' miss initially but I watched Fred and Matt A. sit in the stands and watch Sallis play at the Heartland Hoops Classic in 2019. Guess who played earlier that day? Scheierman. I was watching him in that game thinking - how can Fred not take a chance on a local kid with this potential? Fred should have looked in the mirror and said "this kid is me" and should have offered him. Yeah, you take a risk and develop a local kid with that makeup. Those early Hoiberg teams sucked hard and were full of ****** players. There was room for this guy. I already said Scheierman's path was better for him, I'm looking at it selfishly from Nebraska's perspective.

edit: I have to admit that Scheierman gave a verbal to SDSU in 2017 (Otzelberger), Fred still should've taken a run at him.
Are you talking about getting him out of the portal or out of high school?
High School. All of the names mentioned in this thread should tell us that we better get them out of HS, because once they develop they're not coming here.
 

mgbreeze

All-Conference
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I don’t know. It just seems crazy. Are there schools that are D1 in some sports and lower in others? That shouldn’t be allowed.
Yes, there are schools that are D1 in some sports and not in others. Again, why is that a problem?
 

schuele

All-American
Apr 17, 2005
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I don’t make up the rules. But some of these schools basketball is all they have that pay the bills.

134 Division 1 football schools some say that is too many.
Those schools playing D1 basketball not only pays their bills, it also helps Power Conference programs stay in or near the black financially. They need home games against teams who won’t demand a return game, for revenue reasons.

I suppose the NCAA tournament committee could change the selection criteria and say a win is a win is a win, whether over a D1, D2, D3 or NAIA team. But then people would just ***** about that.
 

Dean Pope

All-Conference
Oct 11, 2001
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You guys remember Mike McGee? He was a handful of years before that 82 class, maybe 77 or so. Went to Michigan and then went on to play for the Lakers. I was too young to really remember much about his actual play but I think he was probably the most highly regarded guy to come out of Omaha.
I can barely remember him at Michigan. I just remember him being talked about almost in mythical like terms. Then of course he went on to have a good NBA career.
 

Dean Pope

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Nebraska has had a ton of local talent from the Omaha Metro. Even if NU is recruiting them, I’m not sure that they are paying attention. These dudes are growing up watching Creighton. NU isn’t their number one (or likely their parents if they are an Omaha Bball family). We need some wins in the tourney, and maybe a deep run one of these years. We’re just not building up enough of a brand to bring these guys in yet IMO. Just like kids wanna play in bowl games… These kids want to go to the tournament.
True, but it's also just not been a priority either. Hire the right high school coach out of Omaha to join any of those staffs, and at least half of those kids would probably have gotten here. Build recruiting connections, build a pipeline. But the question all of those NU head coaches would have asked is, "Why?"

Bottom line, they didn't respect Omaha talent and certainly not in-state talent overall and the metro coaches and their players knew it.
 

Dean Pope

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Just watch teams that make the dance on selection Sunday. Even the ones that make it on a regular basis.watch the reaction when they see their school on the big board. Ya it’s no big deal though.
This is a great point.
 

Dean Pope

All-Conference
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Scheierman was Tim Miles' miss. Fred tried to get him out of the portal in 2022 but you can't blame him for choosing Creighton, especially considering how bad Fred's first few years had gone. Regardless, Scheierman only averaged about 6 ppg his first year at South Dakota State. Had he gone to a major program right way, he likely wouldn't have gotten enough playing time early on to develop the way he did.
I believe Baylor got about $500-600 k in NIL from Creighton as well. Not sure what Nebraska offered. But you make a good point. A kid like Baylor had obvious talent in high school. He played with a lot of flash, pretty much a poor man's Pete Maravich in HS. It was stupid for Miles to criticize Baylor's defense and then turn around and recruit some of the slugs that he brought in from God knows where. But it's fair to say that Baylor is a gamer. He needed to get playing time. He's a perfect example of a kid who goes to a smaller school and then turns around and kicks the higher profile kids' asses a couple years down the road.
 

Walleye 1

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I don’t know. It just seems kind of watered down.
What makes it watered down? One of the greatest sporting events are the first round in the tourney and watching upsets and some giants fall.
 

WHCSC

All-Conference
Feb 4, 2002
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What makes it watered down? One of the greatest sporting events are the first round in the tourney and watching upsets and some giants fall.
I don’t even like basketball. Maybe this is one of the reasons.
 

V-Doub

Heisman
Jul 8, 2007
22,364
29,063
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I don’t even like basketball. Maybe this is one of the reasons.

So you’re asking us to sell you on something you’ve already decided you don’t like? Um yeah, I’m not wasting my time on that. I’m totally fine with you not liking basketball…
 

Big bo fan

All-American
Jan 8, 2019
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I still think Fred's biggest miss was Scheierman. 6'6" kid that could absolutely shoot the lights out in HS, and he would've gone to Nebraska in a heartbeat if we offered. No telling how his career would've turned out and his path is probably what was best for him. But selfishly I'll never get over that one.
So we are supposed to offer a kid out of HS whose best offer was SDSU . How come Coach plantation didn’t offer out of HS if the kid was that good in HS.
 

Harry Caray

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Feb 28, 2002
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He might have been Miles' miss initially but I watched Fred and Matt A. sit in the stands and watch Sallis play at the Heartland Hoops Classic in 2019. Guess who played earlier that day? Scheierman.

No you didn't, because Fred wasn't hired here until March 30, 2019, and the Heartland Hoops Classic was in early February. Also, Matt A. was still working for St. John's in February 2019
 

WHCSC

All-Conference
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So you’re asking us to sell you on something you’ve already decided you don’t like? Um yeah, I’m not wasting my time on that. I’m totally fine with you not liking basketball…
Me too
 

WHCSC

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Might be down your alley only 77 Divisions 1 programs in grappling..

B1G is the only power5 conference that that cares about it the others don’t give a **** one I outta..
I was thinking of the Robin Hood movie 🤷‍♂️
 

Walleye 1

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Might be down your alley only 77 Divisions 1 programs in grappling..

B1G is the only power5 conference that that cares about it the others don’t give a **** one I outta..
University of Nebraska cares deeply about grappling. Even before entering the BIG. Mark Manning has done a tremendous job.
 

mgbreeze

All-Conference
Dec 16, 2004
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No you didn't, because Fred wasn't hired here until March 30, 2019, and the Heartland Hoops Classic was in early February. Also, Matt A. was still working for St. John's in February 2019
You're right, I didn't. It's not fun to be wrong but I am. I mixed up years in my memory and it's weird because I've had this belief for awhile. I went to the HHC several years and I mixed them up.

I take back my criticism of Fred for not getting Scheierman. Thanks for gently telling me I'm a dumbass.
 

IowaHuskr

All-Conference
Jul 13, 2001
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Is making the tournament that big of an accomplishment?
The question as an analogy is it that big a deal for our football team to have a 6-6 record and be invited to a bowl game. Our fans and local media sure seem to think so.
 

Harry Caray

All-American
Feb 28, 2002
70,996
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It is painful to watch Omaha native John Tonje dominating at Wisconsin. He just had another 30+ point game tonight against Illinois, after putting up 32 against Purdue on Saturday. He is putting up unreal numbers this year.
 

Redscarlet

Heisman
Jun 17, 2001
33,041
11,051
113
University of Nebraska cares deeply about grappling. Even before entering the BIG. Mark Manning has done a tremendous job.
Never said Nebraska didn’t care. I mentioned no one outside the B1G GIVES two ***** about Rassling.
 

Walleye 1

All-Conference
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Never said Nebraska didn’t care. I mentioned no one outside the B1G GIVES two ***** about Rassling.
My point was Nebraska loved wrestling before joining the BIG so you are incorrect. One of NU’s most decorated athletes came from the mats in the Big XII
 

mgbreeze

All-Conference
Dec 16, 2004
10,115
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It is painful to watch Omaha native John Tonje dominating at Wisconsin. He just had another 30+ point game tonight against Illinois, after putting up 32 against Purdue on Saturday. He is putting up unreal numbers this year.
He's a pretty unique success story. Had three offers out of HS, played 4 years at CSU. At Mizzou one season for his "COVID year." Got a medical redshirt and now playing his 6th college season at Wisconsin. 10 years ago he'd probably be selling insurance or playing in Europe this year.
 

king_kong_

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Nov 3, 2021
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He's a pretty unique success story. Had three offers out of HS, played 4 years at CSU. At Mizzou one season for his "COVID year." Got a medical redshirt and now playing his 6th college season at Wisconsin. 10 years ago he'd probably be selling insurance or playing in Europe this year.
I saw him play a couple times when he was at CSU

He has clearly worked hard to hone his craft, especially on offense
 

mgbreeze

All-Conference
Dec 16, 2004
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I saw him play a couple times when he was at CSU

He has clearly worked hard to hone his craft, especially on offense
Another perfect example of why transfers are the route to success. 23yo man vs 18yo freshmen, not much to debate there unless you're recruiting Derik Queen types.
 

IowaHuskr

All-Conference
Jul 13, 2001
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Another perfect example of why transfers are the route to success. 23yo man vs 18yo freshmen, not much to debate there unless you're recruiting Derik Queen types.
A year ago at this time the faithful in Madison, Wi. wanted to run Greg Gard out of town. Now the same people think he's great thanks to John Tonje, the Omaha Central grad, and a couple of other players showing up to make Gard look like the smartest coach around. He will most likely be BIG Coach of the Year.
 

schuele

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A year ago at this time the faithful in Madison, Wi. wanted to run Greg Gard out of town. Now the same people think he's great thanks to John Tonje, the Omaha Central grad, and a couple of other players showing up to make Gard look like the smartest coach around. He will most likely be BIG Coach of the Year.
While he's done okay at Louisville, I think Chucky Ballhog moving on was also good for Wisconsin. Much better ball movement now.
 

squintsdoggy

All-Conference
Nov 23, 2009
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While he's done okay at Louisville, I think Chucky Ballhog moving on was also good for Wisconsin. Much better ball movement now.
I’d take Chucky’s 10 shots a game, 6+ assists per game and over 2 steals a game in a heartbeat!

For the most part I didn’t think Wisky’s offensive system did Chucky any favors. Seemed like a strange fit (he averaged 7 shots a game last year.. doesn’t really fit the “ballhog” narrative). He is a fun watch at Louisville.
 

Redscarlet

Heisman
Jun 17, 2001
33,041
11,051
113
My point was Nebraska loved wrestling before joining the BIG so you are incorrect. One of NU’s most decorated athletes came from the mats in the Big XII
That’s all fine and dandy but only 4 programs presently wrestle in the Big 12.
Mizzou and OU have wrestling teams but are not recognized by the SEC.

So I’m correct, nobody cares about rassling except for the B1G.
 

schuele

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I’d take Chucky’s 10 shots a game, 6+ assists per game and over 2 steals a game in a heartbeat!

For the most part I didn’t think Wisky’s offensive system did Chucky any favors. Seemed like a strange fit (he averaged 7 shots a game last year.. doesn’t really fit the “ballhog” narrative). He is a fun watch at Louisville.
At Wisconsin he dribbled the ball endlessly, especially late in games, grinding their offense to a halt. I prefer to see the Badgers lose, so I was always happy to see one of Chucky's dribblefests break out.