I'm not an NFL guy...

[BigMotherTucker]

So I didn't really pay attention to deflategate as it was happening. This summer I went to L.A. (specifically Semi Valley) for vacation and the family and I visited the Reagan Presidential Library where they had a traveling football exhibit on display. They had a presentation set up called "under pressure" and it had two footballs on display.





I couldn't tell the difference between the two balls. I think all this crap with Brady is BS. The cover-up has been worse than the crime.

 

[57stratdawg]

Yeah. I saw a tweet saying that if Brady admitted guilt the NFL had agreed to a 2 game suspension.

 

[OleMissLogo]

When I was playing, I could tell you in a heartbeat if a basketball was off in even the slightest amount, or if a baseball was getting a bit bogged.

Sure some random person passing through an exhibit might not be able to tell the difference, but I can gaurantee you Brady can tell the difference immediately. He can probably hold a ball and tell you the PSI about as well as a gauge can.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

My point was, who gives a ****. The difference is negligible. We're all impressed that you're a savant when it comes to handling balls. I'm sure it comes in handy for you.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Point, BMT.

 

[aerodawg.sixpack]

My point was, who gives a ****. The difference is negligible. We're all impressed that you're a savant when it comes to handling balls. I'm sure it comes in handy for you.

The difference is certainly not negligible. I don't think Brady was the main guy receiving the "advantage" of the under-inflated balls unless we are talking stats. The main advantage of it would be for grip for the receivers, especially in a cold environment like Foxboro, MA in January. The under-inflation would have the same effect that under-inflating tires on slick surfaces does which allows a higher friction force.

Do I think this had any bearing on that game? No, certainly not. But it definitely would be questionable toward the integrity of the game if they were intentionally under-inflated which seems likely.

 

[J. Noble Daggett]

How badly were they deflated?

The difference is certainly not negligible. I don't think Brady was the main guy receiving the "advantage" of the under-inflated balls unless we are talking stats. The main advantage of it would be for grip for the receivers, especially in a cold environment like Foxboro, MA in January. The under-inflation would have the same effect that under-inflating tires on slick surfaces does which allows a higher friction force.

Do I think this had any bearing on that game? No, certainly not. But it definitely would be questionable toward the integrity of the game if they were intentionally under-inflated which seems likely.

Initially, Ray Rice got a 2 game suspension for a domestic violence charge. Brady gets 4 because "it's more probable than not that he had a general knowledge that the balls were deflated?"

How badly were they deflated? Some were within the margin of error of the testing devices. This ruling is purely about satisfying the mob. Hence the initial ruling on Rice, and subsequent extension of his suspension. When the video came out the NFL claimed they didn't know, etc. Complete bull. If you think the NFL didn't know a casino had a camera on every square inch of that casino you are foolish.

If the NFL was so concerned with the air pressure in the balls they would treat the game balls like the balls the kickers use.

 

[was21]

That's a strange traveling exhibit to be on the grounds of a former POTUS. Nancy Reagan must not be very patriotic**

 

[BigMotherTucker]

2lbs I believe.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

I thought so too, but they have several rooms set aside for traveling exhibits. The rest of the ginormous facility was obviously dedicated to him. Full size replica of the oval office... His Airforce One, his Marine One, giant peice of the Berlin Wall. The place was huge.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

So what was the proper pressure when you played?

 

[BigMotherTucker]

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The view... Semi Valley is beautiful.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

That looks like a semi-desert, not a semi-valley. Next time you should go to Simi Valley.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

I think the are in the midst of a pretty good drought right now. I made the comment while I was there that I missed seeing the color green.

 

[OleMissLogo]

My point was, who gives a ****. The difference is negligible. We're all impressed that you're a savant when it comes to handling balls. I'm sure it comes in handy for you.

I don't get it. Is being gay supposed to be a put down?

 

[rugbdawg]

Yes. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

nm

 

[Shamoan]

average joe blow cant tell a difference but i guarantee tom brady can. also, it was over when he destroyed his phone. thats not what an innocent person does.

 

[121Josey]

You did read the display, right? It says that you throw a tighter spiral. If you've thrown a football before, that's all you need to know. But the results are better accuracy and distance.

The accusation to the NFL was that the Patriots did this habitually.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

A few things about the display. It clearly says "in theory", the last sentence on the display challenges the visitor "can you feel the difference"(which the common non-NFL quarterback minus OleMissLogo can not), and I don't think the display was aimed at molding an opinion on Brady. I think it was there to take the heat off of the officials. Like I said, I didn't follow deflategate closely as it happened, but didn't the officials who handle the ball take some heat for not identifying the issue sooner?

 

[BiscuitEater]

Neither side is blameless ..

Yeah. I saw a tweet saying that if Brady admitted guilt the NFL had agreed to a 2 game suspension.

Apparently, the NFL was tipped off that New England was going to 'deflate' the balls and was negligent in not looking into it at the time. Brady didn't admit to anything and destroyed his phone right before he was interviewed.

Don't think there is any way a court is going to step in and lessen the 4 game penalty. Union made a huge mistake by agreeing that the commissioner would have the final say in these matters. Plus, most courts view 'spoliation of evidence' as almost an admission of guilt.

 

[patdog]

Only 1 of the 12 balls was 2 lbs underinflated. About half the rest were 1 lb underinflated, with the other half being properly inflated.

 

[GloryDawg]

The Patriots cheats. They have been caught before and thats all I need to know.

 

[Seinfeld]

Yep, all I know is that the Patriots are guilty as 17, they're repeat offenders, and they tried to hinder the investigation. As far as how much it truly affected the game or not, I don't really even care at this point. Both Kraft and Brady are acting like spoiled little rich kids that think they're untouchable, and I think it's hilarious to see how pissy this entire ordeal is making them

 

[patdog]

On the other hand, the NFL never gave a damn about the inflation of the ball until now. Both the Vikings and Panthers were on video warming balls up on the sidelines during a game and all the NFL did was give them both a warning. Now, suddenly, it's a 4-game suspension. Twice as long as Ray Rice got before the PR shitstorm forced the NFL to do more.

 

[Seinfeld]

Let me clear that by no means do I think that the NFL league office

is admirable nor that they're squeaky clean throughout all of this. The way that they completely mishandled the Rice situation initially and then suddenly decided that they were going to come down hard on domestic abuse cases only after public backlash was pathetic. They had an opportunity to take a stand on a serious issue, they failed to do so, and they only started to take real action once they're name was being stomped in the mud. I have no love lost for them

That said, I'm not going to be shedding any tears for the Patriots either. They cheated(again), got busted(again), and I'm glad that they're paying the price.

 

[coach66]

As usual, the cover up is always worse than the crime. Brady denies the phone

destruction deal but I'm pretty sure his phone destruction didn't matter because the phone carrier has records of all those texts, at least they used to.

 

[patdog]

I'm a Patriots fan and I'll be the first to admit they intentionally underinflated the balls. Not nearly as much as the initial story the NFL put out and let sit for 2 months before the real PSIs were released. But there's no question the balls were tampered with. And I have no real problem with a 4-game suspension. But it's very inconsistent with the suspensions that have been given to other players. Bottom line is, if the NFL gave a damn about the footballs, why did they ever have a system in place where the teams provided the balls and the ballboys? Why not have the NFL provide the balls and the ballboys?

 

[DancingRabbit]

Yep, the "Bruce Pearl effect"

Since I'm not a Pats fan it's just a mildly amusing side-show

 

[Seinfeld]

Fair question, and I guess that the NFL is the only one that knows the true answer to all of it, but I think it's pretty safe to say that the league office's name had been so badly tarnished during the prior 6 months that it forced them into a frenzied/paranoid state of reacting harshly to pretty much anything. That doesn't excuse them for anything in the least, but I do think it's why they suddenly decided that they were going to care about something like this. They want to show the world that they're not pushovers anymore, yet almost every move they make keeps backfiring

 

[Dawgzilla]

Wells report says that all 11 Patriots balls were underinflated, with 1 being pretty close at 12.3 psi (as measured by one gauge....they used two gauges, with one know to produce slightly higher results than the other). Only 4 Colts balls were checked at halftime, and they were all within spec.

If you use the lower gauge, then only 1 ball was within 1 lb of the minimum 12.5 psi. With the higher gauge, they were still underinflated, but 4 of them were within 1lb of being legal.

I seriously doubt the underinflation had any physical impact on the game, but I think it is a mental edge for Brady. He likes the balls to feel softer, and he made sure the equipment guys knew that.

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[aerodawg.sixpack]

I'm a Patriots fan and I'll be the first to admit they intentionally underinflated the balls. Not nearly as much as the initial story the NFL put out and let sit for 2 months before the real PSIs were released. But there's no question the balls were tampered with. And I have no real problem with a 4-game suspension. But it's very inconsistent with the suspensions that have been given to other players. Bottom line is, if the NFL gave a damn about the footballs, why did they ever have a system in place where the teams provided the balls and the ballboys? Why not have the NFL provide the balls and the ballboys?

Agreed. As far as the suspension punishment, I feel like they went a little harsh with the 4 games especially for the QB alone. However, the NFL clearly feels that the integrity of the game was challenged and I think that is why they came down so harshly.

My question for the Patriots would be why did they indefinitely suspend the two equipment guys if the Patriots are now so completely innocent and why have they not been reinstated since its just the big bad NFL coming down on them. I'd imagine if he had just turned over his phone he probably would have gotten a 1 game suspension which would be extremely reasonable compared to the MLB's standard 8 game suspension for using a foreign substance as a pitcher (6.25% of the season vs 4.94% of the season).

 

[patdog]

The 4-game suspension isn't even close to the worst the NFL gave the Patriots. They'll have a very good chance to win the AFC with or without Tom Brady those 4 games. The loss of a 1st round draft pick is the big penalty.