If you're "pro choice"

mule_eer

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I understand that mule....a deformed baby has the same difficulties, yet we don't slaughter them and they do still survive. Babies born @ 39 weeks don't have hair in many cases, or fully formed central nervous systems, or skeletal foundations. We don't slaughter them lacking those things either.

Why is it just because children are still growing at 24 weeks is it more "humane" to abort them than it is at 30 weeks (where it's still perfectly legal in some places to chop them into little pieces)?

I'm still waiting for a rational argument from you on this.
I've given a rational argument (at 20 weeks BTW). You disagree with it. That's fine, and that's absolutely your right. My point is that prior to 20 weeks, the fetus is still developmentally unable (you can read that as extremely unlikely if you'd rather) to survive outside of the womb. I'm fine with drawing that imaginary line. Like I said, I don't think you are. To me your argument is the same as someone saying we shouldn't mine coal because it'll be diamonds in an eon.

And I'll add that I've never used the word humane in this whole argument. That's a whole different thing, and delves into quality of life and all sorts of side arguments for and against.

Also, your comment about 39 weeks is off. Basically a child born at 36 weeks is no more in danger than a child born at 40 weeks (full term). If a mother is over the age of 35, not many docs will let her to go full term because of potential risks to the baby. I know this. I lived it a little over a year ago when my second daughter was born at 39 weeks and 3 days, perfectly happy and healthy and fully developed.
 

atlkvb

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My point is that prior to 20 weeks, the fetus is still developmentally unable (you can read that as extremely unlikely if you'd rather) to survive outside of the womb

I agree mule, which is why they're supposed to stay safely inside the womb so they can survive well as soon as they're born. Why are we so anxious to kill them before they're ready to thrive, instead of allowing to live in there where they have everything they need provided to not only live, but grow into healthy happy babies?
 

atlkvb

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I've given a rational argument (at 20 weeks BTW). You disagree with it. That's fine, and that's absolutely your right. My point is that prior to 20 weeks, the fetus is still developmentally unable (you can read that as extremely unlikely if you'd rather) to survive outside of the womb. I'm fine with drawing that imaginary line. Like I said, I don't think you are. To me your argument is the same as someone saying we shouldn't mine coal because it'll be diamonds in an eon.

And I'll add that I've never used the word humane in this whole argument. That's a whole different thing, and delves into quality of life and all sorts of side arguments for and against.

Also, your comment about 39 weeks is off. Basically a child born at 36 weeks is no more in danger than a child born at 40 weeks (full term). If a mother is over the age of 35, not many docs will let her to go full term because of potential risks to the baby. I know this. I lived it a little over a year ago when my second daughter was born at 39 weeks and 3 days, perfectly happy and healthy and fully developed.

Congratulations mule! (on your daughter) I know she's the joy of your Life. As I stated earlier in my exchange with you, I oppose ALL arbitrary terminations of innocent human Life. Leftists argue most are done "for health reasons" or to "save the Life of the mother".

That is false.

I linked to statistics earlier in the thread that show the vast majority of choice abortions are performed solely for the convenience of the mother, who simply does not want to have a baby. In fact, it is almost NEVER medically necessary to terminate the life of an unborn baby to save the mother's life. (I linked to articles explaining that also).

We have the ability mule my Man, to take care of those unwanted children as well as save their lives if they are born before being fully developed. We also have the ability to respect human life in all of its stages, and not slaughter them based only on our own selfish desires or lack of respect for innocent human Life.
 
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mule_eer

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I agree mule, which is why they're supposed to stay safely inside the womb so they can survive well as soon as they're born. Why are we so anxious to kill them before they're ready to thrive, instead of allowing to live in there where they have everything they need provided to not only live, but grow into healthy happy babies?
Honestly, because I figure that if I'm not involved in the pregnancy, then it is not my place to make that decision. I'm not anxious for anyone to have an abortion, but I'm also not walking in that person's shoes. I like reasonable limits. I think that makes sense and probably puts me at odds with lots of the pro-choice community. It also puts me at odds with the pro-life community.
 

atlkvb

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Honestly, because I figure that if I'm not involved in the pregnancy, then it is not my place to make that decision. I'm not anxious for anyone to have an abortion, but I'm also not walking in that person's shoes. I like reasonable limits. I think that makes sense and probably puts me at odds with lots of the pro-choice community. It also puts me at odds with the pro-life community.

I respect your position mule, honestly I do. I also respect the arduous struggles women who are not prepared to be mothers undergo during crisis pregnancies. To me what gets lost in this discussion though is lack of respect for the baby. There are alternatives to killing unwanted children.

Who speaks up for them? Even common houseflies want to live, and will quickly try to avoid your attempts to prematurely end their miserable nasty lives crawling all over your freshly prepared food! All living things want to live! It's a basic instinct of anything alive to survive...to live!

Since we (humans) are NOT the authors of Life, I'm baffled why we don't respect it more especially among our own prodigy? I am appalled at the lack of respect for human Life this issue has caused among us as a so called rational society. It has debased us Mule, and cheapened the most precious thing we have to share with one another.(Male/Female) New life! So our species can grow, be fruitful and multiply!

That was the supreme admonition from the giver of Life itself to us mule. Why are we so desperate to destroy that? Even animals don't slaughter their young...Mothers fight to the death to preserve the lives of their innocent young, until other animals come along and eat them! [winking]

Aren't we better than that my friend as the superior species?
 
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