If Croom had gotten a second chance......

Smoked Toag

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....similar to Orgeron, would he have take advantage?

Orgeron went back to the NFL the year after he was fired, as did Croom. Orgeron got back into college though, with Kiffin at Tennessee, after one year whereas Croom stayed in the NFL and did nothing, and ultimately wasn't retained and retired in 2017, about the time Orgeron became LSU coach. But let's say he got back into coaching somewhere in 2010, and really leaned into being a recruiting guy, learned to delegate the coaching and just did the talking part, appearances, etc. Instead of trying to be an offensive wizard, which he most definitely was not. Could he have worked himself into a second shot at a Tennessee/South Carolina or similar and then made something happen? Obviously he would never have gotten the Alabama or Auburn job, so he can't say it was the perfect fit like Orgeron at LSU, but Tennessee seems like a place a guy like him may have worked (nothing else has).

I mean think about it, neither Dabo nor Orgeron can coach a lick, both lucked into their jobs, and got them almost nearly with just momentum, and kids playing hard FOR him. But they can recruit, and have learned to just get out of the way. Neither would make it in the NFL, and neither did Croom. Recruiting is specific to the college game.

Considering all the talk of the 2008 Crooming, just a topic I thought about.
 

mstateglfr

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I dont think he would have taken advantage because like you mentioned- he would have to learn to be a recruiting coach, learn to delegate coaching responsibilities, learn to not **** on your own team during interviews, etc.
There is just too much required for him and he is just too stubborn to have been able to take advantage of another opportunity.
 

T-TownDawgg

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17 this thread.
BB NCHAMPS
Game week.

And Goat is debating 2nd chances while on his 56th username with Smoked Toag. Ironic.
 
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....similar to Orgeron, would he have take advantage?

Orgeron went back to the NFL the year after he was fired, as did Croom. Orgeron got back into college though, with Kiffin at Tennessee, after one year whereas Croom stayed in the NFL and did nothing, and ultimately wasn't retained and retired in 2017, about the time Orgeron became LSU coach. But let's say he got back into coaching somewhere in 2010, and really leaned into being a recruiting guy, learned to delegate the coaching and just did the talking part, appearances, etc. Instead of trying to be an offensive wizard, which he most definitely was not. Could he have worked himself into a second shot at a Tennessee/South Carolina or similar and then made something happen? Obviously he would never have gotten the Alabama or Auburn job, so he can't say it was the perfect fit like Orgeron at LSU, but Tennessee seems like a place a guy like him may have worked (nothing else has).

I mean think about it, neither Dabo nor Orgeron can coach a lick, both lucked into their jobs, and got them almost nearly with just momentum, and kids playing hard FOR him. But they can recruit, and have learned to just get out of the way. Neither would make it in the NFL, and neither did Croom. Recruiting is specific to the college game.

Considering all the talk of the 2008 Crooming, just a topic I thought about.

Recruiting and getting the most out of them are two pretty important boxes for a coach to check.
 

PirateDawg

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Anyone that made Michael Henig as starting QB doesn't deserve another chance!

....similar to Orgeron, would he have take advantage?

Orgeron went back to the NFL the year after he was fired, as did Croom. Orgeron got back into college though, with Kiffin at Tennessee, after one year whereas Croom stayed in the NFL and did nothing, and ultimately wasn't retained and retired in 2017, about the time Orgeron became LSU coach. But let's say he got back into coaching somewhere in 2010, and really leaned into being a recruiting guy, learned to delegate the coaching and just did the talking part, appearances, etc. Instead of trying to be an offensive wizard, which he most definitely was not. Could he have worked himself into a second shot at a Tennessee/South Carolina or similar and then made something happen? Obviously he would never have gotten the Alabama or Auburn job, so he can't say it was the perfect fit like Orgeron at LSU, but Tennessee seems like a place a guy like him may have worked (nothing else has).

I mean think about it, neither Dabo nor Orgeron can coach a lick, both lucked into their jobs, and got them almost nearly with just momentum, and kids playing hard FOR him. But they can recruit, and have learned to just get out of the way. Neither would make it in the NFL, and neither did Croom. Recruiting is specific to the college game.

Considering all the talk of the 2008 Crooming, just a topic I thought about.

Great guy like Moorhead but an assistant at best.
 

Shmuley

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I got banned from Jean's Page over Henig's recruiting profile pic. God help us, crxxmz actually recruited and signed that MFer.
 

PirateDawg

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I don't like to talk bad about players but he definitely was not an SEC QB. In fact, with my friends that I watched games with I called him Mr. Glass because he was injured so frequently. You've got to hand it to the kid. He was brave enough to walk out on that field with SEC OL and LBs. However, Croom never should have subjected him to the abuse.
 

Cooterpoot

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He's a good guy, a guy you want around your program. But no. And let's face it, Orgeron hasn't been great. He inherited a team and got a great transfer. He made a good hire. All of that's gone now. He won't win big again either.
 

johnson86-1

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I don't like to talk bad about players but he definitely was not an SEC QB. In fact, with my friends that I watched games with I called him Mr. Glass because he was injured so frequently. You've got to hand it to the kid. He was brave enough to walk out on that field with SEC OL and LBs. However, Croom never should have subjected him to the abuse.

Him being injured and not being an SEC player are related. He really didn't get enough credit for going out there and playing SEC ball behind a mediocre OL when he was built to play DII. And I think he's true maroon too and his family still supports the school.
 

OliveBranchDAWG

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Why is Sylvester Croom being compared to Dabo Swinney and why would he be given another chance at two programs that are better than MSU?
 
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You got to hand it to Henig

He's a good guy, a guy you want around your program. But no. And let's face it, Orgeron hasn't been great. He inherited a team and got a great transfer. He made a good hire. All of that's gone now. He won't win big again either.
He won more games against Alabama than Dak Prescott did.
 

johnson86-1

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....similar to Orgeron, would he have take advantage?

Orgeron went back to the NFL the year after he was fired, as did Croom. Orgeron got back into college though, with Kiffin at Tennessee, after one year whereas Croom stayed in the NFL and did nothing, and ultimately wasn't retained and retired in 2017, about the time Orgeron became LSU coach. But let's say he got back into coaching somewhere in 2010, and really leaned into being a recruiting guy, learned to delegate the coaching and just did the talking part, appearances, etc. Instead of trying to be an offensive wizard, which he most definitely was not. Could he have worked himself into a second shot at a Tennessee/South Carolina or similar and then made something happen? Obviously he would never have gotten the Alabama or Auburn job, so he can't say it was the perfect fit like Orgeron at LSU, but Tennessee seems like a place a guy like him may have worked (nothing else has).

I mean think about it, neither Dabo nor Orgeron can coach a lick, both lucked into their jobs, and got them almost nearly with just momentum, and kids playing hard FOR him. But they can recruit, and have learned to just get out of the way. Neither would make it in the NFL, and neither did Croom. Recruiting is specific to the college game.

Considering all the talk of the 2008 Crooming, just a topic I thought about.

Orgeron was always a hard worker. Croom probably could have gotten by with working less than other head coaches if he had really just focused on relationships with recruits and letting his coordinators do all the coaching, but he didn't like recruiting enough to do that I don't think.
 

Smoked Toag

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Orgeron was always a hard worker. Croom probably could have gotten by with working less than other head coaches if he had really just focused on relationships with recruits and letting his coordinators do all the coaching, but he didn't like recruiting enough to do that I don't think.
Yeah, this is a good point and others mentioned it too. He was definitely lazy and that's likely the difference. There were always debates back during the actual Error as to whether he was just lazy or just incompetent or both, since being incompetent can make you appear lazy.
 

Smoked Toag

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What pissed me off is LT picked Croom over Jimbo…
I knew Croom was going to be the coach when Alabama passed on him. We knew Jackie was getting fired and we all knew he was headed our direction. What I want to know is, why did he become the chosen guy? Why not Charlie Strong? Strong proved he can actually coach a little bit. Croom had never proven anything. I don't even know why he became Alabama's guy.
 

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Yeah, this is a good point and others mentioned it too. He was definitely lazy and that's likely the difference. There were always debates back during the actual Error as to whether he was just lazy or just incompetent or both, since being incompetent can make you appear lazy.

Only time i ever saw Crooms up close, I was leaving a baseball game and I was parked over by the softball field. He was coming out of the coaching offices over there at the end of his day....at like 10 pm. I lean towards incompetent.
 

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What pissed me off is LT picked Croom over Jimbo…


Yep, Jimbo's sister in law used to post over on Gene's premium board back in the day. She was hot about it. Templeton wouldn't even give him the time of day. And Jimbo was bringing almost all of Saban's LSU staff with him including Mushamp as DC. Templeton wanted brownie points with the NCAA instead.
 

Smoked Toag

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Yep, Jimbo's sister in law used to post over on Gene's premium board back in the day. She was hot about it. Templeton wouldn't even give him the time of day. And Jimbo was bringing almost all of Saban's LSU staff with him including Mushamp as DC. Templeton wanted brownie points with the NCAA instead.
In Twinkletoes defense, he truly believed that we just could not compete at all with the big boys. He believed it in every fiber of his bones, and he felt like he was doing the right thing by doing everything on the cheap, and hoping for some long term karma to pay off, as if the universe would shine upon Croom one day if you believed long enough. It was just a very cynical way of doing things, and we all get there from time to time. He had almost just given up.

Cohen is very similar as far as mindset, but he's just not bitter, and ultimately, very optimistic about the future.
 
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