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okraswimmerms

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first and only post, pack reader for years and I for some reason cannot reply to the thread on Icon topic(no reply tab at the bottom). Veterinarian here(State '10) with my two cents. I don't trust them(pit bulls) because of why they were bred. In saying that, I have many many pit patients that are wonderful dogs and super sweet. I have seen them(pits) flip their **** though. I also despise German Shepherds(one of the worst breeds currently) as they are neurotic as hell and most owners don't train them or know how to control them. The only dog I've ever been bit by was a pit mix in the face(chin). I have had many small dogs bit at my hands. I do think rearing has a part of dog temperament/behavior but I believe many owners are to lax and basic obedience is ignored. An obedient dog is a good dog.
I have a 7 month old and would not leave her alone, in a room with my 3 dogs(all older, 2 mixed breeds and a weimeraner). All dogs have the propensity to bite and it irritates me when owners say, "oh he won't bite, he may put his mouth on you though" ****. I muzzle dogs and use chemical restraint and as I've progressed in practice, I've gotten less daring with sketchy dogs. Cheers, I enjoy reading comments here.
(p.s. If I don't see the reply button, does that mean it's locked?, I see it in other threads)
 
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Breeding has a lot to do with dog demeanor

okraswimmerms said:
first and only post, pack reader for years and I for some reason cannot reply to the thread on Icon topic(no reply tab at the bottom). Veterinarian here(State '10) with my two cents. I don't trust them(pit bulls) because of why they were bred. In saying that, I have many many pit patients that are wonderful dogs and super sweet. I have seen them(pits) flip their **** though. I also despise German Shepherds(one of the worst breeds currently) as they are neurotic as hell and most owners don't train them or know how to control them. The only dog I've ever been bit by was a pit mix in the face(chin). I have had many small dogs bit at my hands. I do think rearing has a part of dog temperament/behavior but I believe many owners are to lax and basic obedience is ignored. An obedient dog is a good dog.
I have a 7 month old and would not leave her alone, in a room with my 3 dogs(all older, 2 mixed breeds and a weimeraner). All dogs have the propensity to bite and it irritates me when owners say, "oh he won't bite, he may put his mouth on you though" ****. I muzzle dogs and use chemical restraint and as I've progressed in practice, I've gotten less daring with sketchy dogs. Cheers, I enjoy reading comments here.
(p.s. If I don't see the reply button, does that mean it's locked?, I see it in other threads)
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All dogs come from wolves so they all can revert. Our local vet muzzles dogs routinely because they don't know her as well as they know the owners. She gets mad at the owners for telling her, "He/she has never bitten anyone!" Of course, they aren't the ones that will be bitten so there is no skin in the game. With that said, the Our Gang crew of Little Rascals fame ran with a Pit Bull named Pete. My wife trains dogs and has had good luck with Pit Bull show dogs. They are a smart breed as are German Shepherds. Around here a lot of drug folks get pits and train them to fight and bite. They buy them from people that raise fighting dogs. If you get one from their litters good luck to you!
 
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My German Shepherds will absolutely bite you if you come into my yard/house uninvited. I like them that way.
 
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I will second whoever said collie’s are more prone to attack. I’ve been bitten twice by dogs badly and both times were by my uncles rough collie. Meanest 17’ing dog I have ever seen. First time everyone but me assumed I did something to the dog. I was just riding around on my cousins big wheel and he attacked me because I was riding it. Second time, I was still skiddish of him, he barked at me and I ran and he took a chunk out of my leg. As soon as my uncle grabbed him off me he chained him up, went inside to get a gun, walked straight up to him and shot him in the head before my dad got the chance to do it.
 
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BELdog said:
My German Shepherds will absolutely bite you if you come into my yard/house uninvited. I like them that way.
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Seems like a lot of effort by all parties to ensure someone isnt mauled.
...but i have never understood the appeal of a dog that will attack being kept as a family pet.



My brother in law broke his hand last week while getting his neighbors pitbull to release from a friends dog that was over.
The pitbull came up to their gate and pulled the visiting dog thru the space between the gate and fence on my brother in law's property.
The pit dragged the dog across the street to the pig's front yard and began mauling the visiting dog.
It took my brother in law, the pit's owner, and the hurt dog's owner to keep the pit from killing the dog.
And in that time, my brother in law broke his hand.

Why the 17 this sort of dog(general defense dogs) are appealing for suburban households is beyond me.

What would have been a barking fight with almost any other breed was a trip to the er vet for emergency surgery and a trip to the er for a hand cast.

So unnecessary.
 
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JoMo MoJo said:
I will second whoever said collie’s are more prone to attack. I’ve been bitten twice by dogs badly and both times were by my uncles rough collie. Meanest 17’ing dog I have ever seen. First time everyone but me assumed I did something to the dog. I was just riding around on my cousins big wheel and he attacked me because I was riding it. Second time, I was still skiddish of him, he barked at me and I ran and he took a chunk out of my leg. As soon as my uncle grabbed him off me he chained him up, went inside to get a gun, walked straight up to him and shot him in the head before my dad got the chance to do it.
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Da17?

You are the king of over the top stories and over sharing, but damn this one sticks out.
 
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I’ve got a German Shepherd/Lab mix. Has the biggest set of nuts I’ve ever seen on a dog. The other dogs are intimidated. I think he’s a lover, not a biter.
 
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What about miniature dachshunds? They are damn evil. Mine will steal treats from my border collie and hide them somewhere. I literally found a cache of about 5 treats shoved between my couch cushions.
 
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Our boxer is a skilled and stealthy killer. While we are gone, if we dont take the necessary precautions, she has been known to stalk, corner, and viciously rip the guts out of our remote controls.

17'in *****.
 
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mstateglfr said:
Seems like a lot of effort by all parties to ensure someone isnt mauled.
...but i have never understood the appeal of a dog that will attack being kept as a family pet.
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Not surprising, but I'll answer. Come into my house/yard with bad intentions, I'll give you a choice, Roscoe or Ruger.
 
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mstateglfr said:
Seems like a lot of effort by all parties to ensure someone isnt mauled.
...but i have never understood the appeal of a dog that will attack being kept as a family pet.



My brother in law broke his hand last week while getting his neighbors pitbull to release from a friends dog that was over.
The pitbull came up to their gate and pulled the visiting dog thru the space between the gate and fence on my brother in law's property.
The pit dragged the dog across the street to the pig's front yard and began mauling the visiting dog.
It took my brother in law, the pit's owner, and the hurt dog's owner to keep the pit from killing the dog.
And in that time, my brother in law broke his hand.

Why the 17 this sort of dog(general defense dogs) are appealing for suburban households is beyond me.

What would have been a barking fight with almost any other breed was a trip to the er vet for emergency surgery and a trip to the er for a hand cast.

So unnecessary.
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Why are you assuming we all live in suburban neighborhoods?
 
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10,000 years isn’t a very long time in evolutionary terms. Dogs and wolves can still interbreed. That said, I’m not even sure what it has to do with the discussion at hand.
 
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This is messed up. My German Shepherd is a beautiful girl with a heart for her human family. But as is typical, when someone strange to her comes around, she gets defensive of her human family. We tried to get my 6 year old grandson not to be scared of her, but she senses that fear. To that end, as much as I love my German Shepherd, if she bit my grandson, I would put her down on the spot because at no time, ever, is an animal’s life more important than the safety of a child.

Now, grownups with bad intentions, beware.
 
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JoMo MoJo said:
I will second whoever said collie’s are more prone to attack. I’ve been bitten twice by dogs badly and both times were by my uncles rough collie. Meanest 17’ing dog I have ever seen. First time everyone but me assumed I did something to the dog. I was just riding around on my cousins big wheel and he attacked me because I was riding it. Second time, I was still skiddish of him, he barked at me and I ran and he took a chunk out of my leg. As soon as my uncle grabbed him off me he chained him up, went inside to get a gun, walked straight up to him and shot him in the head before my dad got the chance to do it.
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Old School. There are things you learn growing up on a farm that those that didn't just don't understand, and probably never will.
 
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JoMo MoJo said:
I will second whoever said collie’s are more prone to attack. I’ve been bitten twice by dogs badly and both times were by my uncles rough collie. Meanest 17’ing dog I have ever seen. First time everyone but me assumed I did something to the dog. I was just riding around on my cousins big wheel and he attacked me because I was riding it. Second time, I was still skiddish of him, he barked at me and I ran and he took a chunk out of my leg. As soon as my uncle grabbed him off me he chained him up, went inside to get a gun, walked straight up to him and shot him in the head before my dad got the chance to do it.
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Sort of related to this thread, I wonder how many State fans know why a bulldog is called a bull-dog.

It’s pretty cool, actually.

Back in the 1600-1700’s there was a bloodsport called bull baiting, where they’d take a bull (not the domesticated ones we see today, but a Spanish Fighting Bull) and they’d tie it to a steel pin in the middle of town, likely an arena or amphitheater, with a chain that had about a 30-ft radius.

They’d bring out various animals to fight the bull...bears and dogs mostly. The best dogs for this it turned out was a breed which became known as the Old English Bulldog. They were about 80 lbs, all muscle, very lean, with tremendous bite force. Very different from the slobbering ball of wrinkles we see today.

Anyway, the dog would get down on all fours and start creeping towards the bull until it just reached the edge of the bull’s radius. The townsfolk had likely put pepper in the bull’s nostrils, so he was not In a good mood and was ready for a fight. When the bull would begin swinging its horns, the dog would time it perfectly to jump and bite down on the bull’s nose, clamping down the way you see pitbulls do today.

The bull would throw an absolute fit and sling the dog all over creation but those bulldogs would not let go after a few minutes the bull would be in such agony that it would drop to its knees and roll over on its side and lay there until the dog let go. The myth was that putting the bull through this process improved the quality of the meat (seems legit).

In the next centuries animal rights groups and anti cruelty campaigns pretty much eradicated the sport and the Old English Bulldog began to be bred into what we see today.

However, if you look at photos of the original “Bully’s”, they look much closer to the original Old English Bulldog than say, Jak.

After watching guys like Mangum and MacNamee, Dak and Fitz, etc, I cant imagine a better mascot for State.


There is a modern Olde English Bulldogge that was created in the ‘70’s as a healthier version of the English Bulldog, but it’s a mix of several breeds including Pit’s.
 
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I have a Jack Russell Terrier that will 17 up a squirrel, tennis ball and steal your comfy spot in the bed.

He is also quite sure he is the biggest, baddest M17er that ever wagged a tail.
 
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You haven't seen vicious until you've met my four month old yorkiepoo named Baxter. Just yesterday before my wife could intervene he savagely attacked and dismembered a kleenex my son left on the floor. And it wasn't the first time either. I still have nightmares over the paper towel from last week. Some things just should not be seen. Make you laugh at a Saw movie.
 
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German Shepherds have been over-bred, thus the behavior issues.
We adopted a 7 yr old Borderhoula (Border Collie/catahoula mix) and she is very sweet with most humans. Every once in awhile, she may growl/shy away from some people. To me, that's an instinctual characteristic and may give some insight to said person.
But, around other dogs, especially smaller ones like beagles, terriers, etc...she wants to kill them. We have taken her to training courses and the behavior has improved, but I would not trust her without her lead on. Catahoulas are known for some aggressive behavior towards other animals.

Dogs are animals, and owners should be stern and supportive via teaching/patience/love.

Most bad dogs are because their owners should not have them.
 
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T-TownDawgg said:
Our boxer is a skilled and stealthy killer. While we are gone, if we dont take the necessary precautions, she has been known to stalk, corner, and viciously rip the guts out of our remote controls.

17'in *****.
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Our boxers leave the remotes alone, but they like watching TV when they're home alone. However, if you leave them home alone too long, the pillows are in real danger.
 
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Alright tough guys... Top this.

My wife's great grandfather was "Catch em Alive" Jack Abernathy. Famous for catching live wolves and coyotes with his bare hands. Teddy Roosevelt came out to Oklahoma for a famous hunt in 1905 with Jack and witnessed him catching the wolves. He is said to have caught thousands of wolves and coyotes this way. Jack went on to become the youngest US Marshall ever. In an interesting side note, my wife's grandfather Temple Abernathy and his brother Bud rode horses to New York from Oklahoma by themselves to see Roosevelt in 1910... They were 6 and 10 years old respectively.

So anywho... All you badasses shooting 40 lb dogs and muzzling Yorkies think about ole Jack.**


When I showed this video to my 5 year old he immediately went after our 100+ lbs lab to see if he could catch him like his great-great-Grandfather.




https://americacomesalive.com/2019/01/07/jack-abernathy-catching-live-wolves-bare-handed/
 
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I have a 2 year old 170lb Great Dane. Wouldn't bite anyone or anything. Last week a damn Chihuaua 1/3 the size of his head bit him on the tip of his nose. He literally yelped & ran away, I felt embarrassed for him. Hell the neighborhood cats won't even run from him. I rarely even put him on a leash & take him everywhere with me. I'm thankful, I don't have to worry about him being aggressive. On the other hand, everyone who doesn't know him is terrified due to his size. He rarely barks, but when he does it's pretty intimidating. So he's only a "visual deterrent". I left a key out for a HVAC repair man. I warned him about Brutus. I later called him & asked him what did the dog do. He said, he was asleep on the couch & didn't even bother to get up.
 
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i actually have an olde english bulldog and an olde english bulldog/boxer mix. Two of the best dogs i've ever had. The olde english bulldog/boxer mix is commonly known as a valley bulldog. the valley bulldog is smart, loyal, strong, and very active. She will pretty much do whatever I ask her to with commands. She is also very protective and territorial. She doesn't trust many people which I don't either. She will get between other people that she doesn't know and me. She will usually bark and growl until I go up to the person and shake their hand and show her they are ok. I usually tell people to let her come to you. After she sees that I think you are ok, she settles down and then wants to play or goes about her business. She was very easy to house train. I 've got her and the olde english trained to ring a cowbell hanging on the backdoor when they want to go outside. She loves to fetch and and play tug of war with the other bulldog. i've had her for four years. I will probably get another valley the next dog I get.

The olde english is not as active as the valley, but she is still strong and super athletic. She is a lot more stubborn and has been a little harder to train, but she is kennel trained and house trained. She is only a year old. She is a big ole teddy bear though. She isn't aggressive at all. She just wants to be up close to you and under your feet.

I really recommend both breeds if you like bulldogs. They have both been very healthy. just beware of the slobber and the hair. They shed a lot and slobber over everything. Also beware of the chewing. The both have to stay active with rawhides and chew toys. Otherwise they can get bored and find something else to chew on.

You are correct though with representation of the mascot. When they stand a certain way, they definitely have the physique and look of dog that can run through a wall. They are definitely well built. Both of mine (females) are between 60-75 lbs of pure muscle

The olde english is made up of 1/2 english bulldog, 1/6 bullmastiff, 1/6 pit, 1/6 american bulldog. Some breeds feature much less pit if any. over the years, it's pretty much breeding, olde english with olde english now.
 
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