I was right about Lee....

[Coach34]

that is all...resume your posting pleasure

 

[Coach34]

that is all...resume your posting pleasure

 

[Coach34]

that is all...resume your posting pleasure

 

[HD6]

No more replies. Hopefully you are drunk, will continue to drink, get alcohol poisoning, and pull a Bon Scott in your sleep.

 

[skydawg1]

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[Coach34]

Lee makes better decisions
Relf almost cost us 3 points by hitting a Vandy defender in the numbers at the goalline
Wilder needs to try and catch Lee's passes with his hands rather than his chest
They started loading the box on Relf cause they knew he couldnt throw it

 

[HD6]

Lee did cost us three points taking a sack at the end of the half. I guess I would rather go with the guy who almost cost us points versus the guy who did in fact cost us points.

Keep drinking, move on to liquor, may I suggest straight Everclear?

 

[Frances Drebin]

...Lee DID cost us three points by making a poor decision to option pitch to a back who had a defender in his grill. The ensuing fumble gift-wrapped Vandy a field goal.

 

[HD6]

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[Coach34]

that doesnt go on Lee..as the season goes on, Relf will just be a specialty player...defenses adjust when you cant throw the ball a lick....Lee makes us a better offense

 

[coursesuper]

no hands at all.

 

[Frances Drebin]

...to the option play I mentioned, where Elliot fumbled the ball, you're an idiot. Yeah, Elliot shouldn't have fumbled, but the bulk of the blame goes to Lee, who should've kept the ball and made the defender step up before pitching it.

I agree with you that Lee is a better thrower and needs to distinguish himself as the better QB if State is going to win many games this year. But the fact is that he hasn't done that. When he drops back to pass, he panics instead of going through his progressions when receivers are covered. He's got to be leading the nation in passes getting deflected, too. The **** he pulled at the end of the half by taking that sack was absolutely terrible.

Edited to add: Elliot didn't drop the ball as you say. He had it stripped. It got stripped from the back side while he got stood up. He didn't go anywhere because he was hit immediately.

 

[Coach34]

Lee attacked the inside shoulder of the force player like he should have, he pitched it way too early. But Elliot had the pitch and he fumbled. The fumble doesnt go against Lee. Saying it does is dumb on your part.

 

[Frances Drebin]

...you have outdone yourself. You must not have seen the play. That's the only explanation for you to be so completely retarded on this topic.

 

[Griffdawg]

We won't have a chance with Lee and Relf against a legitmate SEC defense. If not Russell, then get Stegal ready pronto. Mullen will recruit us a QB or 2 for next year (hopefully Newton).

 

[Frances Drebin]

...don't you think?

 

[Coach34]

Elliot took 4 steps after catching the pitch before he was touched- how is that on Lee?

 

[Frances Drebin]

...go watch it again. He slid sideways because there was a defender right in front of him. I didn't say Elliot was completely free of fault for fumbling. I said the bulk of the blame was on Lee for making that poor decision...which was a direct contradiction to your comments about Lee always making good decisions.

So, yeah, watch it aGAIN. In slow motion. Because your post makes it sound like he ran upfield four yards and fumbled the ball. He didn't. He got the pitch, had a guy right in front of him, slid laterally, and got stood up. He had nowhere to go.

 

[dudehead]

but Elliot shouldn't have fumbled it either. Both screwed the pooch on that one

 

[Coach34]

...go watch it again. He slid sideways because there was a defender right in front of him. I didn't say Elliot was completely free of fault for fumbling. I said the bulk of the blame was on Lee for making that poor decision...which was a direct contradiction to your comments about Lee always making good decisions.

So, yeah, watch it aGAIN. In slow motion. Because your post makes it sound like he ran upfield four yards and fumbled the ball. He didn't. He got the pitch, had a guy right in front of him, slid laterally, and got stood up. He had nowhere to go.

Elliot got the pitch, and tried to outrun the guy to the sideline- he couldnt and the guy stripped it from him as he tackled him. While Lee did in fact pitch it too early, the fumble was 100% on Elliot- and every time you say it isnt, the more idiotic you sound

 

[Frances Drebin]

...I am looking like an idiot, because I'm arguing with an idiot. I should've known better and left it alone.

 

[Coach34]

he pitched it too early. He did a terrible job of attcking the inside shoulder of the force player to make him commit to him. Tyson has got to get better on the option. Hopefully his runs later in the game will give him a little confidence

 

[BCash]

..grantd Lee did a terrible job with the pitch, Elliot had had the ball in his hands. It's his responsibility to hang on to it. What do you say about receivers that hang that get leveled IMMEDIATELY upon catching the ball and still hang on?

 

[Frances Drebin]

...you said Lee makes better decisions. That's the whole point of this ****** thread. Clearly, his decision-making is suspect at times.

 

[Griffdawg]

If we had a legit QB, we would have won by 3 TD's or more. We've got a few weapons on offense but nobody to distribute the ball to them. All that being said, I am happy we pulled out the win. But there has to be someone on campus at least 6'2" that can play QB and fling the ball around a little bit. It goes without saying, but if Mullen doesn't bring in the 2 JUCO kickers, we probably lose this game tonight. If Russell gives us a chance to win 2 extra games this year, then it will be worth burning his redshirt. I say get him ready and give him a set number of plays to learn and execute. We 've got to have a passing threat and we need wins anyway we can get em. Then we need to recruit our asses off.

 

[Frances Drebin]

...did the pitch put Elliot in a good position with the ball in his hands? If your answer is yes, then Coach is right. If your answer is no, then why is Lee off the hook?

I said Elliot shouldn't have fumbled, and Mullen clearly agreed since Elliot didn't get the ball aGAIN, but this whole debate is moot if Lee does what he's supposed to do. The play failed because Lee made a poor decision. Then it blew up because Elliot fumbled while trying to make something out of nothing.

 

[Coach34]

"Yeah, Elliot shouldn't have fumbled, but the bulk of the blame goes to Lee"

No, the blame goes to Elliot. The play should have simply been a 3 or 4 yard loss

 

[BrandonAcctgDawg]

are pathetic regardless. I'm not sure we even have one on the roster (you guys told me russell sucked in practice).

 

[Coach34]

time to just be quiet...anytime a RB takes 4 steps and then fumbles- no blame can go to the QB

 

[PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA]

That his decision making is "better." That doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. Just that he makes "better" decision. I'm not sure how you can really argue this one.

 

[Frances Drebin]

...answer the question, dipshit. You can't. Bob and weave, it's all you've got.

 

[HD6]

is like saying I'm skinnier than Dawgstudent. I'm still fat.

If their decision making skills are equally poor, and they are, why not take your chance with the superior athlete?

 

[HumpDawg]

The fact of the matter is the defender that stripped the ball was responsible for the QB on the option. If Lee runs the option correctly, the defender that stripped the ball would be tackling Lee right after the ball is pitched instead of stripping it from Elliot. Elliot shouldn't have fumbled but Lee shares a lot of blame for that play.

 

[PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA]

However, based soley on what was typed on this board, I'm not sure what Drebin's argument is.

 

[sardis]

would be the final nail in Lee's coffin as QB. As for the fumble, he should never have pitched the ball, bad decision again. Relf wore them out in the first half and you can stack 9 in the bos on Lee just as easy as he won't beat you with the pass. Sadly, almost all positions on this team are suspect just as the QB's.

 

[Coach34]

I know it better than HD6 knows a Butterfinger. We've established that Lee didnt run it properly on that play. But blaming the fumble on him is moronic. Elliot didnt get hit just as he caught the pitch- he caught it and tried to beat the defender to the sideline. The guy stripped it when he tackled him. Elliot has got to hold on to the 17'ing football- notice Lee kept playing and Elliot didnt- I'd say Mullen blames Elliot on that as well.</p>

 

[Coach34]

is like saying I'm skinnier than Dawgstudent. I'm still fat.

If their decision making skills are equally poor, and they are, why not take your chance with the superior athlete?

as opposed to to just running with Relf...Relf= Tebow Freshman year

 

[HumpDawg]

I think everyone agrees Elliot shouldn't have fumbled the ball. All I'm saying is that the defender that stripped it should have been tackling Lee and no where near Elliott. There was a nice running lane open also. Could have been a big play.

 

[HD6]

66 yards passing, 4.7 per completion a competent passing game? That's why we are keeping him out there?

Including tonight's action, Relf has more yards, TD's and a higher QB rating than Lee. And if Relf=Tebow freshman year, what does that make Lee? He sure as hell isn't Chris Leak at any point in time in his playing career.

 

[markymark.sixpack]

Elliot took 4 steps after catching the pitch before he was touched- how is that on Lee?

you're a damned idiot. lee pitched the ball as soon as the defender looked at him. it was pathetic. lee is horrible. he's scared to get hit, he can't run an option offense. he missed several reads in the 1'st half.