I Think Calipari Has...

sluggercatfan

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Created a monster that is now eating him! He no longer can get the best of the best and that is the only way you can do what he wants...he is not a good enough coach to do this . Nobody probably is, but he created this and now it is eating him. Honestly, I don't know how you turn it around at this point. Now if K leaves after this year maybe it will.
 

TBCat

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I agree to an extent. We simply can't be a good program with the constant turnover and he needs to reinvent his program away from the one and dones. This has stopped working. You can't have one year players that are only mediocre. We make too many silly mistakes that experienced teams don't make and we aren't getting the elite level players to over come the immaturity.
 

sluggercatfan

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I agree to an extent. We simply can't be a good program with the constant turnover and he needs to reinvent his program away from the one and dones. This has stopped working. You can't have one year players that are only mediocre. We make too many silly mistakes that experienced teams don't make and we aren't getting the elite level players to over come the immaturity.
So after 10 years how do you swallow your pride, admit you are wrong and change. Would it work if you did because then you are pretty much admitting you've been wrong...but hey he's making 8 mil a year to figure it out
 

TBCat

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So after 10 years how do you swallow your pride, admit you are wrong and change. Would it work if you did because then you are pretty much admitting you've been wrong...but hey he's making 8 mil a year to figure it out
You do if you are smart. The game changes and good coaches change with it instead of becoming a niche coach for a few years. Coach K stated that he had no interest in one and done players. After Cal started having success with it to Coach K's credit he changed. Now Cal has to realize that the way he's doing things isn't working anymore and he needs to change. If the game changes over a period of a decade you can't call yourself a good coach if you don't have the ability to adapt. Part of his problem is his insistance on pounding the ball inside instead of shooting 3's like Golden State. That's the way most teams are playing but again Cal isn't adjusting. He's stubbornly playing a style built for 10 years ago and getting his *** handed to him.
 

LadyCaytIL

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It’s best he retire. For both parties. Without a final four this year... it’s gonna get uglier as the fan base divides even more. And no coach comes back from a divided fan base... so it’s best to just rip the band aid off fast so both can move on
 

numberonedad

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I really like that dribble drive he runs.....oh wait! That was just more Cal horse **** marketing to get good point guards here. He hasn't run a dribble drive offense since he's been here
 
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Flipflopsandsocks

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Created a monster that is now eating him! He no longer can get the best of the best and that is the only way you can do what he wants...he is not a good enough coach to do this . Nobody probably is, but he created this and now it is eating him. Honestly, I don't know how you turn it around at this point. Now if K leaves after this year maybe it will.
He's not a good enough coach to beat Seton Hall when he has 8 5 star players and they have zero?
 

BigBlue1992

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A lot of it is also mediocre players leaving who could stay and be very good players as juniors and seniors. Guys like Orton, Lamb, Goodwin, Young, Dakari, Aaron Harrison, Skal, Humphries, Briscoe, Gabriel, Diallo, and Vanderbilt just to name a few.

If any of these guys played anywhere else it would’ve been automatic them coming back to school. We could’ve used these guys in the following years. We wanted them back but it obviously wasn’t mutual.
 

Shlomo

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I will wait a while before panicking. If they are playing like this at the end of January I will be worried. Tough loss but not throwing in the towel just yet.
 
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ck-2

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I’m extremely concerned that we could lose both of these games.

I’m also worried we lose to Kansas.
I hope and pray we don’t. But I’d be shocked at this point if we didn’t lose all three. And I mean lose bad.
 

Seton65

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I think seton hall maybe a better team than some on this board feel. Kentucky talent superior
But seton hall has more experience and really hustles on defense.At the end of season KU would
Beat them but I would guess is a10 point or less game.Can’t underrate their experienced lineup
And FYI Powell,Thompson,Cale,Mamuskil were not 5 stars but they were 4 stars so not too shabby.
 

kevcat

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I hope and pray we don’t. But I’d be shocked at this point if we didn’t lose all three. And I mean lose bad.
I won’t go that far, but we better go at least 2-1. If we go 1-2, or God forbid, 0-3, we might end up fighting for a 10-11 seed.
 
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I think seton hall maybe a better team than some on this board feel. Kentucky talent superior
But seton hall has more experience and really hustles on defense.At the end of season KU would
Beat them but I would guess is a10 point or less game.Can’t underrate their experienced lineup
And FYI Powell,Thompson,Cale,Mamuskil were not 5 stars but they were 4 stars so not too shabby.
They lost 4 starters and have lost to St. Louis, lost by 13 to Nebraska and lost to Louisville. They are not a good team.

UK did not force the ball out of Powell’s hands and were in poor position on him too often. For example I was at the game and late in the game , SH has the ball out of bounds on the side. Hagans is guarding him but playing behind him allowing him to simply sprint up and get the ball. Led to a bucket. Rinse and repeat. Simply did not deny him the ball enough.

What I am seeing is kids that rely on their athleticism instead of positioning themselves properly. They need to realize/be forced to understand this is high level D1 and everyone has athletes.
 
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MediCat

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He's not a good enough coach to beat Seton Hall when he has 8 5 star players and they have zero?

Nope. If you put down the blue KoolAid you can easily observe that Cal is not a very good in game coach, nor is he an above average developer of talent.

The elephant in the room that I have yet to see addressed is this:

“Does Cal even care?”

Since the beginning of his time here it has always been player first, NBA draft night biggest moment of the year, etc. Where is “Hanging a Banner” on his list of priorities? I’d guess 4 or 5...or maybe it’s not even on his list. I think he looks at it as a nice by-product if running an NBA farm team. And that’s it.

The other shoe: fans should look at it that way too until one and done is gone. The chances of winning it all are exceedingly slim without recruiting into that sham system. Add background players like agents, shoe companies, etc....and you get a disaster.

One and done is destroying college basketball...and making the NBA millions as it separates as the better product. And there’s not a damn thing colleges can do about it. They are totally hamstrung with no cards to play. So fans that want banners better learn to live with this kind of product or find another pastime.
 
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KyFaninNC

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I think seton hall maybe a better team than some on this board feel. Kentucky talent superior
But seton hall has more experience and really hustles on defense.At the end of season KU would
Beat them but I would guess is a10 point or less game.Can’t underrate their experienced lineup
And FYI Powell,Thompson,Cale,Mamuskil were not 5 stars but they were 4 stars so not too shabby.
They beat us in OT with three guys fouled out.
 

morgousky

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I agree to an extent. We simply can't be a good program with the constant turnover and he needs to reinvent his program away from the one and dones. This has stopped working. You can't have one year players that are only mediocre. We make too many silly mistakes that experienced teams don't make and we aren't getting the elite level players to over come the immaturity.

The only monster Cal has created is the idea that it's either youth or upperclassman. Hello? YOU DONT HAVE TO CHOOSE. CAL CHOOSES TO MAKE IT ONE OR THE OTHER.

Duke has had no problems signing top 5 guys and also stashing away upperclassman who can produce. Myth busted. Sorry to those that pushed a message of either or.

Cal is doing that for one reason. He wants the NBA loaded down with former players at any cost to us. More than likely its because he wants to return to the NBA at some point coming up.
 

clew84

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All these 5 star players, these elite shooters. And got beat by an unranked 5-3 team. When your whole offsense relies on guys being able to drive and dish while everyone else stands around, you get beat when you can’t hit shots or drive the ball. His O scheme has apparently been figured out.
 

jameslee32

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Mar 26, 2009
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Created a monster that is now eating him! He no longer can get the best of the best and that is the only way you can do what he wants...he is not a good enough coach to do this . Nobody probably is, but he created this and now it is eating him. Honestly, I don't know how you turn it around at this point. Now if K leaves after this year maybe it will.
 
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So after 10 years how do you swallow your pride, admit you are wrong and change. Would it work if you did because then you are pretty much admitting you've been wrong...but hey he's making 8 mil a year to figure it out
You don't have to admit you were wrong, you just need to continue to EVOLVE! One and done doesn't work without the MOST ELITE guys coming here.
 
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sluggercatfan

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A lot of it is also mediocre players leaving who could stay and be very good players as juniors and seniors. Guys like Orton, Lamb, Goodwin, Young, Dakari, Aaron Harrison, Skal, Humphries, Briscoe, Gabriel, Diallo, and Vanderbilt just to name a few.

If any of these guys played anywhere else it would’ve been automatic them coming back to school. We could’ve used these guys in the following years. We wanted them back but it obviously wasn’t mutual.
I love the idea and the incentive, but the "lifetime" scholarship that every UK athlete gets let's them know they can go and seek their dream and come back to school and finish whenever they want
 

BigBlue1992

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I love the idea and the incentive, but the "lifetime" scholarship that every UK athlete gets let's them know they can go and seek their dream and come back to school and finish whenever they want
I understand but I’m talking about it from a basketball standpoint since they’re here on a basketball scholarship. And we all know how few will wound up coming back to get a degree.
 

CalipariCapo

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It’s best he retire. For both parties. Without a final four this year... it’s gonna get uglier as the fan base divides even more. And no coach comes back from a divided fan base... so it’s best to just rip the band aid off fast so both can move on
Imagine if Duke had moved on from Coach K the first down turn he had. Patience is a virtue young grass hopper. Coach Cal is a competitior. He will pivot. Don’t be surprised if we have a lot of remaining talent next year
 
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Wildcats1st

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He needs to come out and make a statement that he is going to revamp the entire coaching staff and going to start changing back how he recruits and retains players. He’s gotta drop this players first nonsense to survive imo
 

Aike

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One thing I love is that certain posters, who insisted they weren’t calling for Cal’s head, only calling for “something to change,” are in fact calling for Cal’s head after the first upset loss.

And we aren’t talking about a loss to Gardner-Webb or VMI. We are talking about the kind of loss that almost every team (even the best of them) suffers once or twice a year. A game against a half decent high major. Not even a home loss.

Duke went into MSG 10 months ago and lost to a St. John’s team that was like 0-11 in conference. We all laughed. It was funny. They are laughing at us today. How it goes.

But that Duke team was a 2 seed a month later, and was an overtime away from the Final Four. Similarly, our season is a long way from over.
 

Aike

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He needs to come out and make a statement that he is going to revamp the entire coaching staff and going to start changing back how he recruits and retains players. He’s gotta drop this players first nonsense to survive imo

Lol. When should he make this proclamation? December 9th? January 27th?
 
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TheDude73

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Ever thought this is what he’s doing this year, transitioning to a team of players that will mostly return? Gotta live though the pain of that transition if that’s what he’s doing.
 
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