That in spite of all the allegations ole miss has and with HF and his escort calls that somehow they will escape with no where near the sanctions they should have. I hope I'm terribly wrong on my thinking.
I just really have this bad feeling
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We won't be happy as we want them blasted back to the Stone Age.
I as well have a feeling the board will be pissed the day they are released.
But so will Ole Miss fans cause it's gonna be a lot worse than those idiots expect.
I as well have a feeling the board will be pissed the day they are released.
But so will Ole Miss fans cause it's gonna be a lot worse than those idiots expect.
I would consider that a home run as a State fan.
I don't see it happening.
2 year bowl ban and 25 over 3 ish is my prediction
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I don't see it happening.
2 year bowl ban and 25 over 3 ish is my prediction
I'm staying at a Holiday Inn Express**
Whatever they get will be less than they deserve, but much more than their fans believe.
We WILL be somewhat disappointed, but satisfied that they didn't get away with the blatant cheating.
Enjoy our team.
We WILL be somewhat disappointed, but satisfied that they didn't get away with the blatant cheating.
Enjoy our team.
They may well get the three years bowl ban, etc
But generally the NCAA leaves themselves some room for backup, on appeal.
So, I expect it to be very rough, and then later backed up some.
But generally the NCAA leaves themselves some room for backup, on appeal.
So, I expect it to be very rough, and then later backed up some.
Clearly, from your prediction of up to 35 scholarships lost, it is relative. Hell, I'm "only" predicting 40 myself. I think whether they get a 3rd year bowl ban is academic. They won't be eligible anyway. But if you think ALL they were after was Hugh Freeze's head, I'm sorry but I think you're wrong. They could have that with or without any additional sanctions on UMiss itself even if the phone calls hadn't been discovered. What they're REALLY after is a deterrent to let 120 other schools know that institutionalized cheating at that level isn't worth it in the end. And they're going to need more than a show cause for Freeze to do that.
But where that really hurts, is if they are not eligible, then they do not share in conference bowl revenues. Now that is really bad.
I have a hunch ol Hugh was smeared on purpose in order to absorb the heat.
I imagine the administration convinced him to go along and he'll be taken care of.
Ole Miss football is bigger than Hugh Freeze.
I imagine the administration convinced him to go along and he'll be taken care of.
Ole Miss football is bigger than Hugh Freeze.
Not when the UM AD came out that day and said that his firing had NOTHING to do with the NCAA allegations because they were like totally innocent and were gonna go all Matlock on the COI and ****.
They're screwed. 60 scholarships and a 4 year bowl ban.
Ole Miss is accused of just about every major rules violation that the NCAA has. Many of which they agree to, have proof of, and occurred while the program was already under investigation. Coaches falsified paperwork with compliance about where recruit's families were staying and how their stuff was getting paid for. Then several coaches and boosters turned around and lied about all of it to the investigators. And that's just the stuff UM admits to, not even mentioning what is being disputed...
Ole Miss is going to get the hammer. Does that hammer mean 25 scholarships or 35-40? Does the bowl ban get added on to, or does it stay at 1 year? I have a hard time imagining it being kept at 1 year, but I've been wrong before.
Only one thing is certain- Ole Miss fans will think that they got way too much and State fans will think they didn't get nearly enough. Now that the season is here, actual football games are of much greater interest to me.
ETA: One thing that shouldn't be overlooked when sanctions are announced are the periphery penalties (not just bowl bans, scholarships lost, show causes, etc.). How big will the fines be? What will recruiting restrictions look like for them over the next few years? What will the NCAA do to try and slow down the network and keep them from coming back to full strength any time soon? These things are often overlooked but can seriously damaged a program as much as the others going forward.
Ole Miss is going to get the hammer. Does that hammer mean 25 scholarships or 35-40? Does the bowl ban get added on to, or does it stay at 1 year? I have a hard time imagining it being kept at 1 year, but I've been wrong before.
Only one thing is certain- Ole Miss fans will think that they got way too much and State fans will think they didn't get nearly enough. Now that the season is here, actual football games are of much greater interest to me.
ETA: One thing that shouldn't be overlooked when sanctions are announced are the periphery penalties (not just bowl bans, scholarships lost, show causes, etc.). How big will the fines be? What will recruiting restrictions look like for them over the next few years? What will the NCAA do to try and slow down the network and keep them from coming back to full strength any time soon? These things are often overlooked but can seriously damaged a program as much as the others going forward.
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Years ago when I was first told they would end up with sanctions, I just said I'll believe it when I see it. When they self-imposed a one-year bowl ban, I said I'll believe the multi-year ban when I see it. As it gets closer and closer, it feels more and more like the hammer is coming. But who knows. They will almost certainly get more penalties. Probably more than Ole Miss fans predict. Probably less than State fans predict. We'll see. At the moment my bigger concern is LA Tech in four days.
I don't care anymore, the playing field has been leveled and that is evident. We have a pulse on defense and we will continue to do well on offense. They can do whatever the **** works for them, we will do the same, when it comes out in the wash, we will be a better coached team with more talent now and we can start a good streak of superior seasons for four or five years. It's up to us the fans to make sure we grow with it.
In addition to everything mentioned, they arranged for cheating on ACT tests. They lied to investigators, and they continued to break the rules while they were still under investigation. They're screwed. Book it.
Four years probation
35 scholarships
Three-year bowl ban
Multiple show causes
Major fines
Crippling recruiting visit restrictions
Likely an official NCAA monitor ON CAMPUS for the next few years
Four years probation
35 scholarships
Three-year bowl ban
Multiple show causes
Major fines
Crippling recruiting visit restrictions
Likely an official NCAA monitor ON CAMPUS for the next few years
It won't happen but I'd like to see it like this: Say, for example, they get a 3 year bowl ban. That should only count in the first 3 years in which they would have been bowl-eligible by winning 6 or more games in a season. If they didn't win 6 or more games for the first 5 years after the penalties are assessed (due, most likely, to reduced scholarships), the 3 year bowl ban clock would only accumulate a year of banning if they won 6 or more games in any year until this had happened 3 times.
Like I said, it won't happen but that's what I'd like to see.
Like I said, it won't happen but that's what I'd like to see.
COI meets on 9/11. Historically, the COI will hand out punishment end of Nov - early Dec. OM WILL APPEAL the ruling, no matter what punishment is handed down.
COUNT on the OM media cabal to ALL toe the party line .. "Punishment lighter than expected BUT WE DON'T deserve what was handed down and are appealing."
Don't forget the tremendous embarrassment they've suffered and the fact that they are a punchline to a national joke. It will be decades before they live this down.
When you think of Miami, Penn State, SMU, Baylor, etc, the first thing folks think about is scandal. Ole Miss is now on that list.
If it was us in their spot we'd be devastated, humiliated, and disgusted. Glad it's them.
When you think of Miami, Penn State, SMU, Baylor, etc, the first thing folks think about is scandal. Ole Miss is now on that list.
If it was us in their spot we'd be devastated, humiliated, and disgusted. Glad it's them.
That theory makes no sense at all. If they wanted to sacrifice him, the time to do it was in the response to the 2nd NOA. Defending him in that and then getting rid of him for something that had nothing at all to do with the NCAA would be about the dumbest thing they could possibly do. But, knowing them and how they've handled everything else about this investigation, it's not out of the question.
Freeze was a symptom of a disease though. The culture of cheating is the disease and it will lay dormant till a major stress in the Program occurs (0-12, winless in SEC, multiple losses to State) and a new sympton(coach) pops up meaning they are again infected. For 40 years now they have shown this to be the pattern at OM. If the NCAA wants to totally irradiate this disease they are going to have to do chemo and radiation.
Hey, I'm not claiming their timing was perfect. Hell nothing they've done up to this point has been what you'd consider smart - not the actions they've taken or their stance towards the NCAA for uncovering them.
[tin-hat mode engaged]
But I'm sure at some point OM administration has to sit down and start to look at the larger picture here. They stood by Hugh and invested $$$ into their defense built around him and his compliance policies. The NCAA response basically said "we're not buying it" and left everything on the table. So the admin had a decision to make: keep Hugh knowing the NCAA would crucify them without mercy or find a way to 'let him go' in such a way that doesn't completely invalidate their legal defense.
I find it odd that there was ONE and only ONE call left unredacted in phone records that they argued later they did not have to turn over (phone paid for by UMAF). Add to that the swift and sudden discovery by OM administration of the pattern of misconduct that they had, up until that point, had no capacity to discover. The delay in releasing full phone records and then there's all these calls that fit the narrative justifying the OM administrations decision. The NCAA has shown that OM has a practice of falsifying compliance records. Take that a step further and I'm sure a couple of "non-recruiting date phone calls" could be added to a record and released to appease the masses hungry to see just how lurid the ex coach was.
All I'm saying is post-resignation Hugh has been pretty silent and out of the spotlight. If he's ashamed of himself, he sure hasn't shown much public remorse for any of his actions or for the impact they've had on the state of OM football. The OM Admin gets to keep the only defensible position they've built for themselves with their legal team. They can go in front of the COI, shrug their shoulders and say they had no idea Hugh was a sleezeball. By letting him go in such manner, they can actually improve their position with the COI by claiming his lurid behavior distracted him from his duties with compliance and the very system he helped build. And they also get to terminate the contract payout which keeps OM football floating as they absorb the loss of bowl revenue.
[removes tin hat]
[tin-hat mode engaged]
But I'm sure at some point OM administration has to sit down and start to look at the larger picture here. They stood by Hugh and invested $$$ into their defense built around him and his compliance policies. The NCAA response basically said "we're not buying it" and left everything on the table. So the admin had a decision to make: keep Hugh knowing the NCAA would crucify them without mercy or find a way to 'let him go' in such a way that doesn't completely invalidate their legal defense.
I find it odd that there was ONE and only ONE call left unredacted in phone records that they argued later they did not have to turn over (phone paid for by UMAF). Add to that the swift and sudden discovery by OM administration of the pattern of misconduct that they had, up until that point, had no capacity to discover. The delay in releasing full phone records and then there's all these calls that fit the narrative justifying the OM administrations decision. The NCAA has shown that OM has a practice of falsifying compliance records. Take that a step further and I'm sure a couple of "non-recruiting date phone calls" could be added to a record and released to appease the masses hungry to see just how lurid the ex coach was.
All I'm saying is post-resignation Hugh has been pretty silent and out of the spotlight. If he's ashamed of himself, he sure hasn't shown much public remorse for any of his actions or for the impact they've had on the state of OM football. The OM Admin gets to keep the only defensible position they've built for themselves with their legal team. They can go in front of the COI, shrug their shoulders and say they had no idea Hugh was a sleezeball. By letting him go in such manner, they can actually improve their position with the COI by claiming his lurid behavior distracted him from his duties with compliance and the very system he helped build. And they also get to terminate the contract payout which keeps OM football floating as they absorb the loss of bowl revenue.
[removes tin hat]
2010 - 4-8 (1-7 SEC), no bowl
2011 - 2-10 (0-8 SEC). no bowl
Then Freeze and even more cheating and, 4 straight bowls, including a Peach & Sugar (albeit it a watered down one). They could easily get the pre-Freeze/increased cheating results they had from 2010-2011 with a 2-yr bowl ban and 25 over 3. You think they wouldn't consider that punishment well worth it? They'd be no worse off than they were in 2011.
The COI knows this as well.
2011 - 2-10 (0-8 SEC). no bowl
Then Freeze and even more cheating and, 4 straight bowls, including a Peach & Sugar (albeit it a watered down one). They could easily get the pre-Freeze/increased cheating results they had from 2010-2011 with a 2-yr bowl ban and 25 over 3. You think they wouldn't consider that punishment well worth it? They'd be no worse off than they were in 2011.
The COI knows this as well.
I am all in on this. Your exactly right about the mentioned programs in the fact that when I hear of them I definitely think about their shenanigons.
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