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red scowl

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More years of no bowls means far fewer practices.
If the pass pro sucks, then HCSF needs to help with TEs.

****, I'm skeptical of Austin. I'll try to keep my mouth shut, but this staff has alot to prove. Better see some progress. You don't have to have the best athletes to look like you know how to play football.

I don't know if TE's are the answer either. Stoll is a competent blocker, but Allen and Rafdal are underpowered.
 

SoFL Husker

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Name one 2nd team All Conference player.

Even Spielman is lost.

Bottom in talent, right now.
 

red scowl

Heisman
May 19, 2018
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Name one 2nd team All Conference player.

Even Spielman is lost.

Bottom in talent, right now.

Look, I'm all in on Frost, but we can't fill gaps on a stretch play and we can't do any kind of zone blocking. That's not great athleticism. That's assignment football. Pretty much over no fear of failure. I like do your job or do your assignments.
 

z28craz

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Our two RB recruits for 2020 are less than 200 pounds. If HCSF wants this offense to work, he has to get bigger running backs.

Not sure this is a great comparison, but I played against him in HS and it seems somewhat relevant. But Darren Sproles is 5’6” 185lbs. He has been a stud since high school. He never had a problem.

Even more relevant, Wan’Dale was freshman of the week twice in a row at less than 200. And Rondale Moore at Purdue was Freshman of the year at less than 200 lbs. it has far more to do with the OL and overall blocking than size.
 

catch54

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Not sure this is a great comparison, but I played against him in HS and it seems somewhat relevant. But Darren Sproles is 5’6” 185lbs. He has been a stud since high school. He never had a problem.

Even more relevant, Wan’Dale was freshman of the week twice in a row at less than 200. And Rondale Moore at Purdue was Freshman of the year at less than 200 lbs. it has far more to do with the OL and overall blocking than size.

If the OL is problematic, they have to do something.
 

SoFL Husker

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I think she is a good person. But she is misguided (as is Bernie). I hate she won't answer the question about single payer.

Dude, start with raising personal income and capital gains taxes at the highest level and closing tax loopholes/carried interest.

She's dangerous. And I am a solid Independent. I would vote for Trump over that crazy hag 10x on Sunday
 

catch54

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WGAS.

See my posting history. We should have paid Bo and Ed from LSU when we had a chance. We Ph((ed it up.

A lot of people have underestimated Ed Oregan (sp?).
Of course you know I wanted a Paul Chryst type power football guru.
 

SoFL Husker

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A lot of people have underestimated Ed Oregan (sp?).
Of course you know I wanted a Paul Chryst type power football guru.

Look it up. He was drifting around when Bo was coach.

We could have hired his *** as Co-HC and Recruiting Coord

He can't talk, but he can recruit...

 

catch54

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Dude, start with raising personal income and capital gains taxes at the highest level and closing tax loopholes/carried interest.

She's dangerous. And I am a solid Independent. I would vote for Trump over that crazy hag 10x on Sunday

The point about single payer is I believe we can saves hundreds of billions per year on administrative costs.
I have studied this much.
Why raise taxes if we don't have to?
 

Tarheelhusker

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Millionaires arguing with millionaires. “We’ll tax the rich, we’ll tax the corporations.”
Guess who that gets passed down to. The friggin’ middle class working stiff will carry the load. The only ones that will benefit are the free **** bums & politicians. Lying swampers.
“Medicare for all” B/S, the G/D government can’t take care of our vets! Lying SOB’s.
 

catch54

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Millionaires arguing with millionaires. “We’ll tax the rich, we’ll tax the corporations.”
Guess who that gets passed down to. The friggin’ middle class working stiff will carry the load. The only ones that will benefit are the free **** bums & politicians. Lying swampers.
“Medicare for all” B/S, the G/D government can’t take care of our vets! Lying SOB’s.

Is it the "government's" fault that it is hard to recruit enough doctors considering what doctors can make in the private sector?
 
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Shoxsker

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Not impressed with Oregon when Chip was there? They were awesome. Also Marvin Scott is a pretty big and physical back, surprised to hear he doesn’t weigh 200+.
he might, he is 190+. He is also a high schools senior who may weigh 193 on Friday and 203 on Monday. He is a physical back. Not a thumper but watch the block on his highlight. The one where he springs his teammate for a TD. Kid is a really good fit for this O. He will need to get a little stronger but He is a real gamer.
 

Hoosker Du

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Name one 2nd team All Conference player.

Even Spielman is lost.

Bottom in talent, right now.

You realize that player development is as important as bringing in good talent. Actually more important, because you are taking the raw talent of whatever level the player is when he arrives, and developing his strength, quickness, acceleration, and overall athleticism to its peak, and then pairing it with substantially improved technique, that will enable him to be a cog in an entire system on offense or defense. Of course the great programs are ones that take great talent coming into the program, and develop that talent like crazy.

Wisconsin is the result of bringing in good, but not great talent, and developing it to create a very strong program. USC and Miami are the result of bringing in great talent and not developing it. Which would you rather have, if given the choice? I know which one I want. The one that is 6-0, Top 10, with what, 4 shutouts this year?

Sure, we would all rather have great talent and great development, but TO and his staff did great things to take players that weren't as talented coming in, and make them part of a very successful system. And let's be honest...until we can recruit like Ohio State (which will be never), we are going to have to do it the old fashioned way.
 
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SoFL Husker

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You realize that player development is as important as bringing in good talent. Actually more important, because you are taking the raw talent of whatever level the player is when he arrives, and developing his strength, quickness, acceleration, and overall athleticism to its peak, and then pairing it with substantially improved technique, that will enable him to be a cog in an entire system on offense or defense. Of course the great programs are ones that take great talent coming into the program, and develop that talent like crazy.

Wisconsin is the result of bringing in good, but not great talent, and developing it to create a very strong program. USC and Miami are the result of bringing in great talent and not developing it. Which would you rather have, if given the choice? I know which one I want. The one that is 6-0, Top 10, with what, 4 shutouts this year?

Sure, we would all rather have great talent and great development, but TO and his staff did great things to take players that weren't as talented coming in, and make them part of a very successful system. And let's be honest...until we can recruit like Ohio State (which will be never), we are going to have to do it the old fashioned way.

I disagree. I think Scott needs to keep bringing in guys that show promise early on, and get rid of guys that flash dud. TO is long-gone, and we aren't Wisconsin. If he can get some sort of stabilization in the football program, maybe we can build a pipeline. Our product on the field is bad. That has to be fixed first.
 

bshirt73

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It all starts with blocking. A big receiver would also be helpful with blocking. We miss Warner blocking and receiving.

Blocking is the single most important thing on offense. We can't run or pass block. It's like a circular demonstration of futility.

Our wide receivers can't get open fast enough to take advantage of having 1 high safety, because our pass-pro sucks. Our lineman get pancaked.

We can't block running plays... I don't have any idea, see above I guess. I think Farniok should quit talking to the press about technique and Jurgens.

Long winded answer. A big running back won't be necessarily good, because he would never get the forward momentum to use his added bulk.

Sadly, that's true. It's so bad now that even a young, incredible Bo Jackson would probably get instantly stuffed about 80% of the time.
 

Hoosker Du

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I disagree. I think Scott needs to keep bringing in guys that show promise early on, and get rid of guys that flash dud. TO is long-gone, and we aren't Wisconsin. If he can get some sort of stabilization in the football program, maybe we can build a pipeline. Our product on the field is bad. That has to be fixed first.

So...you think players just come in ready to play when they are 4 and 5-star players? That has been proven to not be the case so many times. If you don't have quality coaches when players get to the program, a lot of that talent will remain untapped. Sure, teams with highly rated rosters win more championships, but that talent has to be developed by good coaching staffs to get to the championship level.

Look at Florida State right now. Look at Miami for the last 18 years or so. Look at USC since Pete Carroll.

Here's a good one.. look at Ohio State under Luke Fickell. That program was transformed in one year, going from 6-7 under Fickell in 2011, to 12-0 in 2012 under Urban Meyer.

"Not being Wisconsin" actually supports my stance more than anything I've mentioned. We haven't had the coaching staffs that Wisconsin has had, and our higher-rated talent coming into our program has languished. And this year will be yet another lesson from Wisconsin in 'coaching matters.'
 

allong69ks

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So...you think players just come in ready to play when they are 4 and 5-star players? That has been proven to not be the case so many times. If you don't have quality coaches when players get to the program, a lot of that talent will remain untapped. Sure, teams with highly rated rosters win more championships, but that talent has to be developed by good coaching staffs to get to the championship level.

Look at Florida State right now. Look at Miami for the last 18 years or so. Look at USC since Pete Carroll.

Here's a good one.. look at Ohio State under Luke Fickell. That program was transformed in one year, going from 6-7 under Fickell in 2011, to 12-0 in 2012 under Urban Meyer.

"Not being Wisconsin" actually supports my stance more than anything I've mentioned. We haven't had the coaching staffs that Wisconsin has had, and our higher-rated talent coming into our program has languished. And this year will be yet another lesson from Wisconsin in 'coaching matters.'
Fickell was an interim HC cleaning up the mess left behind when Jim Tressel exited. Given what he's done at Cincy the last couple of years (11-2 last year, and 5-1 so far this year), I wouldn't fault him for going 6-7 in a throw-away year.

Overall, I get what you're saying, and agree with most of it. Wisconsin's recruiting classes aren't usually rated that high....but they get outstanding results.
 

oldjar07

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So...you think players just come in ready to play when they are 4 and 5-star players? That has been proven to not be the case so many times. If you don't have quality coaches when players get to the program, a lot of that talent will remain untapped. Sure, teams with highly rated rosters win more championships, but that talent has to be developed by good coaching staffs to get to the championship level.

Look at Florida State right now. Look at Miami for the last 18 years or so. Look at USC since Pete Carroll.

Here's a good one.. look at Ohio State under Luke Fickell. That program was transformed in one year, going from 6-7 under Fickell in 2011, to 12-0 in 2012 under Urban Meyer.

"Not being Wisconsin" actually supports my stance more than anything I've mentioned. We haven't had the coaching staffs that Wisconsin has had, and our higher-rated talent coming into our program has languished. And this year will be yet another lesson from Wisconsin in 'coaching matters.'
I agree 4 and 5 star players need to be developed too. I see a lot of the 4 star players around the country we were targeting are actually playing. But a large part of what determines how good they are is how well they are developed and coached. The ones I see at Oregon, Wisconsin, Penn State, etc. are playing well. The ones I see at Louisville, UCLA, etc. aren't playing well.

I think a lot of the 4 stars we've had here recently that were thought of as busts are really just guys who have never been coached properly so they never developed. If we did have better coaching, I'm sure some of them would have lived up to their 4 star rating and turned into good players.