I have seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. I watched Houston beat us 77-0 and it was no worse than last night, except we can score some now. I have not been able to see how it is we could drop so far. Mullen says we are young, yet we have 19 Seniors on this team and some of them are good players. I do think we look slow on defense but I am not sure it is as much that as scheme. Last night was about as bad as it can get. Furthermore, that is not a great Arkansas team. I always believe that a team reflects its head coach. We sent up the white flag when we punted with fourth and two inches. I have no idea how this can be fixed because if Mullen stays, no decent defensive co- ordinator will come here without significant guarantees. If Dan wants to leave, he should after the Egg Bowl, then we have a chance to build a new program with some excitement. There are not many who can deny that we are badly coached and it is from the top down. Our kicking game, including special teams is bad. That is coaching. I am not sure I have never seen a team who could neither stop the run or the pass. We are clueless on both and I don't think it is all athletes. I do know that we have enough talent to win 7 or 8 games every year. Our neighbors up north are fixing to get hammered and yet we sit stagnant. We hired a new AD. Is he tough enough to realize where we are? I am afraid he will do nothing, and that is Templeton-like. Scott would have never done anything just like he wanted to with Rick Ray, until some folks told Dr. Keenum it was a change or they were out. Football is at a cross roads and if any of you can't see it, then I feel sorry for you.
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Preach on, bro. MSU is one of those programs that if a wheel goes flat you don't just pull into the pit and retool, you fly off the track and crash & burn. Mullen had a nice run (and was blessed with Dak) but his failure to restock SEC quality athletes and to maintain consistency in the coaching staff has caused our current cluster17. If history repeats itself we will should be seeing a new HC.
We have problems but the team didn't quit, nor did the coach. You are just repeating sheep babble brainwash when you say that. Nothing about that team last night said 'Quit'.
If you want to ***** about Mullen's demeanor, the chance for that was the early season. That time has passed. Not sure his motivation now, but it's evident he has some.
If you want to ***** about Mullen's demeanor, the chance for that was the early season. That time has passed. Not sure his motivation now, but it's evident he has some.
Stop saying he was "blessed" with Dak. Mullen found him, recruited him, signed him, and got him to play well in Starkville, along with a whole team of others. He gets 100% credit for that.
He also gets 100% credit for the 2016 team. See, that's the difference in you and I. I give him credit for both, you only give him credit for the **** (typical emotional fan).
He also gets 100% credit for the 2016 team. See, that's the difference in you and I. I give him credit for both, you only give him credit for the **** (typical emotional fan).
I don't believe Dawgbreeze is saying that the team has quit, I think he is saying that they are playing not to lose as opposed to playing to win. That's a big difference is mental attitude. Granted some players still have the fire in the belly (i.e., Fitz & Ross to name a few) but in the SEC WEST you need everybody from the water boy to the HC to be all in during the season. Anything less, well, I think you saw the result last night.
Agreed, good with the bad. What I meant by "blessed" is that even with credit given to Mullen, Dak could just have easily turned out as just one of the numerous uneventful QBs to go through the program. Mullen gave Dak an opportunity and coaching but credit for Dak being the greatest QB in program history is on Dak.
Typical sunshine pumping state fan. Probably thinks we had a fantastic season and have the greatest HC and DC in history along with a ton of 4 and 5 star players that our outstanding recruiting HC has brought along. Fans say "well we've only had this one bad year" yet this is as croomastic as it gets. I just don't see it getting better.
We`re way better than then but Houston was damn good that year. Their payroll was only slightly less than the Oilers and their academics were let`s just say very conducive to keeping athletes in school.
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How is he
pumping sunshine by saying it is dumb to not give Mullen credit for Dak?
If you disagree with that, then there's just no sense in debating.
pumping sunshine by saying it is dumb to not give Mullen credit for Dak?
If you disagree with that, then there's just no sense in debating.
No sunshine pumper, but your kind are indeed everything that's bad about the Internet today. First, there always the legitimizer phrase "been a fan since xxx and its never ...". Unless you've been a " long suffering" fan for 8 years, it's been far far worse than it is today, and far less fixable. If we don't win another game. Croom bettered that one time in 5 years. Croomtastic is what you guys deserve.
Like Dawgbreeze, I've been watching us since the 1970's and we continue to repeat history (regardless of the level of peaks and valleys) over and over. There was the crowd that wanted to keep Shira to establish longevity. After Bob Tyler proved you could recruit and win at Mississippi State, there was the crowd that didn't want to fire Bellard because of the 1980 season and the win over Alabama (with mostly Tyler players), so we let him lose for four straight seasons (each one getting worse and worse). Then Felker, when he bottomed out in 88' the answer was to let him change his staff and lets try again; the results were two more losing seasons. When Sherrill hit rock bottom, the answer again was let him change his staff for more losing. The only reason Croom didn't last any longer was because Templeton was no longer in charge (thank Christ). Now here we are again. Dan Mullen has had some great success that he deserves credit for. He has also had the luxury of having more resources than any of his predecessors in modern history but now this train is completely derailed, down in the gorge and there is NO sign of improvement. We have hit rock bottom AGAIN. If Mullen makes staff changes after this coming Saturday (and that's a big IF), that's still not likely going to rectify the problem next year because he is who is and changing his staff is not going to change the personality or approach he has to the game (its putting lipstick on the same pig). He's been here 8 years and continues to manage the same way he did when he first arrived. We will have been through 7 DCs in 9 years (one twice)! You have to recognize the common denominator in this equation.
Assuming Jimmy Sexton does not find a taker for Mullen; if Cohen has the spine many hope he has (and I hope for Mississippi State's sake he does), then he will hold Mullen accountable (regardless of Saturday's outcome). First, he better not renew his contract under any terms. Second, he's going to have to force him to change most if not all of his staff with stipulations that he is going to let them coach (that is if he can find anyone worth a damn willing to work for him) and not micromanage the **** out of them as he has for the last 8 years (I doubt very seriously Mullen would accept a proposal like that). If he refuses, then as the A.D. he has to act and fire him immediately. We will learn then just how strong our A.D. is.
Many here have said we are in the Manhatten Conference of College Football, well it's time we act like it and start taking care of the program's best interest and quit worrying about the perception of an employee who by all accounts is not the most popular individual inside or outside of Mississippi State, because the path he has us on now is NOT in our best interest (and at this point what he did three, five or seven seasons ago no longer matters).
Dawgbreeze, you're right, we're at the cross roads right now! Will our leadership repeat history or will they (President and A.D.) take the bold step and put the program in FIRST, front of perception(s) and move us in a new direction? I hope I'm proven wrong but history (as you have pointed out) says we will do nothing of significance.
Assuming Jimmy Sexton does not find a taker for Mullen; if Cohen has the spine many hope he has (and I hope for Mississippi State's sake he does), then he will hold Mullen accountable (regardless of Saturday's outcome). First, he better not renew his contract under any terms. Second, he's going to have to force him to change most if not all of his staff with stipulations that he is going to let them coach (that is if he can find anyone worth a damn willing to work for him) and not micromanage the **** out of them as he has for the last 8 years (I doubt very seriously Mullen would accept a proposal like that). If he refuses, then as the A.D. he has to act and fire him immediately. We will learn then just how strong our A.D. is.
Many here have said we are in the Manhatten Conference of College Football, well it's time we act like it and start taking care of the program's best interest and quit worrying about the perception of an employee who by all accounts is not the most popular individual inside or outside of Mississippi State, because the path he has us on now is NOT in our best interest (and at this point what he did three, five or seven seasons ago no longer matters).
Dawgbreeze, you're right, we're at the cross roads right now! Will our leadership repeat history or will they (President and A.D.) take the bold step and put the program in FIRST, front of perception(s) and move us in a new direction? I hope I'm proven wrong but history (as you have pointed out) says we will do nothing of significance.
Yep in so many words we`re behind the 8 ball right now. I`m afraid there just is no easy answer. Maybe we`ll get lucky....nah .
I agree with all you say but Mullen has only had ONE bad season. That's what differentiates him from the rest. If he loses again next year, we fire him.
By the way, I agree we let those other guys hang around too long. Especially Jackie. Everyone with a brain knows he should have been gone after 2002.
By the way, I agree we let those other guys hang around too long. Especially Jackie. Everyone with a brain knows he should have been gone after 2002.
What concerns me is the lack of talent. This is not going to be a one year project no matter who`s coaching. I`m afraid any coach (in this case Dan) who only gets a year to straighten this out has a very good chance of failing. I truly don`t know what the process should be.
We'll see how well Mullen will have the team prepared for ole miss. If it's like most all of our games this year then it will be another bloodbath. We will then see how many sunshine pumpers will come out to defend him. And yes, I'm one of those that watched and remembered our program for a little while. Back when bellard was there so I've seen the sunshine and rain in our program for quite a few years. You can see the body language of Mullen and tell he no longer gives a crap.
I think you're going to find that we don't have as much of a lack of talent as you think. Youth is a big deal. I would be willing to bet that the core of this team will make big jumps next year (Green, Lewis, Simmons....basically all the FR/SO you see on the field now). It's not like we are waiting on the 2017 recruiting class in order to field a team. We have plenty of good players on campus now that will be here next year. They are just lost and frustrated right now, along with all the fans.
There are so many examples of this that it is difficult for me to choose one. We have a good, young team that probably should be about 6-5 right now instead of 4-7 if not for some pretty bad bounces.
There are so many examples of this that it is difficult for me to choose one. We have a good, young team that probably should be about 6-5 right now instead of 4-7 if not for some pretty bad bounces.
I'm not on board with hiring a new DC every year and that needs to stop. However, the Sirmon experiment has been horrendous and he definitely needs to be let go.
You bring up Sherrill. His rock bottom wasn't just 2001, 2002. He had 3 win seasons in 1993 and 1995 and a losing season in 1996 as well. Against a weaker division as well. Was very very close to being let go. But we didn't and 97-2000 was a good run. Got to use full context.
Exactly. Changing DCs every year is a big problem. But not nearly as big as keeping Sirmon would be.
Once and for all, Houston did not beat us 77 to 0, it was 74 to 0. Elmo Wright did his war dance in the end zone all night long.
Hell LSU beat us 61 to 6 a few weeks later.
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Hell LSU beat us 61 to 6 a few weeks later.
1969-Mississippi State (SEC) | ||||||
| 9/20 | vs. | Richmond (6-4) | W | 17 | 14 | |
| 9/27 | vs. | *Florida (9-1-1) | L | 35 | 47 | @ Jackson, MS |
| 10/4 | @ | Houston (9-2) | L | 0 | 74 | |
| 10/11 | vs. | Southern Mississippi (5-5) | W | 34 | 20 | |
| 10/18 | @ | Texas Tech (5-5) | W | 30 | 26 | |
| 10/25 | @ | Florida State (6-3-1) | L | 17 | 20 | |
| 11/1 | vs. | *Alabama (6-5) | L | 19 | 23 | @ Jackson, MS |
| 11/8 | @ | *Auburn (8-3) | L | 13 | 52 | |
| 11/15 | @ | *Louisiana State (9-1) | L | 6 | 61 | |
| 11/27 | vs. | *Mississippi (8-3) | L | 22 | 48 | |
3-7-0 | 193 | 385 |
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If that happens, it will tell everything we need to know about the leadership we have in the President and ADs office.
If that happens, we should run Keenum, Cohen, and the whole Foundation board and start over.
When you make as much money as Mullen, one bad season is one too many. Tennessee fired Fulmer, who had lead them to a national championship, after one bad season. Auburn fired Tuberville after one bad season. They fired Chizik after one bad year and two years removed from a national championship. Ole Miss fired Cutcliffe after one bad season. Alabama fired Shula, one of their own, after a winning season, while the team was still limited talent wise, because of NCAA sanctions. This year, LSU ran off their national championship winning coach after a slow start. Some of the coaching changes at these schools were very successful. Some were not, but the leaders at the schools were not willing to sit back and do nothing. If Mullen was in the business world and his company tanked in one year as bad as this team has tanked, he would be fired no matter how profitable the company was two years ago. I hate this MSU mentality that we owe Mullen anything because he had us number one for a few weeks two year ago and has taken us to several bowl games. (Bowl games are merely participation trophies and certainly don't mean what they did prior to the turn of the century.)
Fair enough on the money, but your football to business comparison is bad. Like Mullen said, half the teams lose every Saturday. Every coach in the SECW makes 4 million. Someone is going to lose.
Even still, Mullen's business is still good. As long as tickets are being sold, he is not tanking anything.
Even still, Mullen's business is still good. As long as tickets are being sold, he is not tanking anything.
Fulmer had more issues than just losses but he did have 2 losing seasons in his last 4 years and they haven't touched that same success since.
Auburn had already tried to get rid of Tubs the year before he went 13-0 when they went to talk to Petrino. They couldn't do anything at that point until he had a losing season. But the wheels had been set in motion years prior. Then they bought a title and as soon as the tide turned and they knew whay they did to get their was going to bite them. Chiz went 3-9 and the team quit and was hemorrhaging players. They had let it spiral out of control.
Oregeron was hired directly because they overplayed their hand on Cut and they got turned down by several coaches. Yeah that was a good idea.
Shula 4, 6, 10, 6 wins in his 4 years at a school that historicaly averages 9 wins a year.
Miles was out the door last year because they stagnanted. But he got support at the end. It just delayed what was going on for a few years.
Auburn had already tried to get rid of Tubs the year before he went 13-0 when they went to talk to Petrino. They couldn't do anything at that point until he had a losing season. But the wheels had been set in motion years prior. Then they bought a title and as soon as the tide turned and they knew whay they did to get their was going to bite them. Chiz went 3-9 and the team quit and was hemorrhaging players. They had let it spiral out of control.
Oregeron was hired directly because they overplayed their hand on Cut and they got turned down by several coaches. Yeah that was a good idea.
Shula 4, 6, 10, 6 wins in his 4 years at a school that historicaly averages 9 wins a year.
Miles was out the door last year because they stagnanted. But he got support at the end. It just delayed what was going on for a few years.
I think they quit. Brandon Bryant makes Tommy Kelly look like an undersized overachiever.
You must really enjoy losing to think that way. I would love to know the level of investment people like you have in our program(s) making complete dumbass statements such as this.