I hate SMU....
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Brown was sick and didn't coach. Should have covered Alford most of game with bigger guard. Fairly obvious to the Ponyboard fans. they are Not happy with Brown tonight.
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This may have been Brown's last hurrah. If they get put on probation, I think he's gone.
This post was edited on 3/19 7:39 PM by pinaction
This post was edited on 3/19 7:39 PM by pinaction
Maybe it was a bad call and maybe not but what the hell was that guy thinking? The ball was defitely higher than the rim. There was some chance that it would hit the rim. Overall, just a ridiculously dumb play.
You may not have been keeping up but he is the unofficial nations leader in goal tends
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Not maybe a bad call, definitely. The rule is pretty clear that the ball has to have a possibility of going in for it to be considered goal tending. No one thinks that shot had a chance to go in.
If I was a fan of SMU I would be troubled by the fact Jankovich did not step up and take charge. I've always thought that SMU is destined to take a step back towards mediocrity once Jankovich takes over for Brown. Pony recruiting is living off of Brown's reputation and skins on the wall.
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I would take your comments a step further and say SMU should have not been in a position that allowed for that call to decide the final outcome. SMU had the ball with :22 left on the clock and committed a horrible turnover. If they get the ball into Nic Moore's hands, he gets fouled and likely sinks 2 free throws, putting SMU up by 3 points. Folowing the questionable goaltending call, Moore panicked and took a 3-pt shot when he should have penetrated the lane, looking for contact on a layup or a last second dish to one of his bigs for an easy layup/dunk. SMU did a poor job of closing out this game, something they had done well down the stretch this season.
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I can't disagree with Cincinnati, but what makes you think TU has a better team than SMU right now? SMU swept TU, and played in the tournament.
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If the ball is going to hit the rim, you have to call it goaltending. There is no telling what happens when a ball hits the rim. A ref standing on the ground does not have the benefit of above the rim camera angles. If the ball is higher than the rim and moving toward the rim, that is going to be called every time. It was a monumentally stupid play and the player admitted it after the game.
Stupid play by Moreira of SMU, yes. Bad call by ref, yes.
The ref who was lined up behind the shooter, who could see the shot was wide right of the rim, did NOT make the call. Neither did the ref underneath the basket. A ref on the other side of the court, who did not have an angle to see the shot was wide right, made the call. The other refs didn't overrule him, so the call stood.
The ref who was lined up behind the shooter, who could see the shot was wide right of the rim, did NOT make the call. Neither did the ref underneath the basket. A ref on the other side of the court, who did not have an angle to see the shot was wide right, made the call. The other refs didn't overrule him, so the call stood.
No you actually don't have to call it. It was pretty easy to tell it had no chance to go in, which is why the only guy with a good view of the play didn't call goal tending. Even the CBS guys laughed at the head of officials when he tried "well you never know what's gonna happen when it hits rim." It was barely going to nick the rim and everyone know that.
This post was edited on 3/20 10:18 AM by URedskin54
This post was edited on 3/20 10:18 AM by URedskin54
Why was that tip in by NC State Not a goal tend? That one should have been more debated than the SMU one
Because the NC St guy didn't actually touch the ball. I thought it was goaltending also. Then they showed the replays and he didn't touch it.
I expect SMU will hire a NASA trajectory expert to review the shot. All cameras from the event as well as spectators who were using iphone videos will be asked to contribute. But in the end it all comes down to the other outside ref who didn't have the guts to reverse his partners obvious missed call. Rarely will they do that to a partner especially in this type situation where he would be exposed personally to all the nation. Even the underneath ref who has no responsibility could overturn this too if he was 10 feet from it and saw it was clearly missing the rim. I look forward to a 190 page report from SMU and NASA.
That's a very difficult judgment call.
Anytime the ball is that close to the rim and a player goes for the shot on it's way down, goal tending is going to be called. Only slow-mo replay can give a defenitive answer on something that close.
Even then, such a call may only be obvious from a view above the rim.
However, you never go after a ball on it's way down unless it is definately coming up short. Furthermore if Moreira simply blocks out the closest UCLA big, that ball likely grazes the side of the rim and goes out of bounds. SMU struggled all day keeping UCLA's big off the board. I thought their rebounding effort was very poor.
Hakeem Olujuwan once said he was afraid to go after Derek Whittenberg's desperation heave because of all the goal tending calls he racked up in his career. The real mistake Hakeen made was not blocking out Lorenzo Charles.
In such a quick instance it is difficult to determine the trajectory of the ball, the wisest thing to do is get in position for a rebound, not make a play on the shot and leave it in the hands of the officials.
I say don't fault the officials, fault the NCAA rules committee for not allowing ALL potential scoring plays reviewable, even if it's only the last 2 minutes of the game.
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This post was edited on 3/20 12:10 PM by texcane1982
At game speed, it initially looked as if the defender's hand was between the ball and the rim. Any time that happens on a shot coming down doward the rim, the defender is going to get a Goaltend call.
I agree they should have reviewed it, but none of the angles I saw clearly showedd it could not have gone in the basket.
Tough call, and a bad break, but ultimately I think the right call was made.
IT'd be doubly tough for me to come to that conclusion if it had happened to TU, though.
I agree they should have reviewed it, but none of the angles I saw clearly showedd it could not have gone in the basket.
Tough call, and a bad break, but ultimately I think the right call was made.
IT'd be doubly tough for me to come to that conclusion if it had happened to TU, though.
I was disappointed for SMU and the AAC but SMU game the game away (with an assist from the refs). An SMU grad and TU fan in our office said: "SMU has no basketball tradition. This was our best team in over 30 years and they couldn't win a first round game in which they were favored and had a lead under 2 minutes." Yikes.