I don't understand the hatred.....

bballcat4

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I know you’re old and don’t like numbers but current Cal is basically what Tubby was before his last two years and after his championship.

“Before his last two years” - Wouldn’t everyone like to be evaluated by taking out our worst years!!! The real world doesn’t operate that way. Coaches are what records say they are. You caused me to go look at actual #’s.

Tubby was 22-13 & 22-12 his last 2 years, while getting knocked out the first weekend both years. You may not like Cal, but your comparison to Tubby is way, way, way off.
 
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irishcat1965

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It actually isn't that far off. If you take away the last 2 years when Tubby was trying to leave town. His 5 years before that compared to Cal's last 5 years (including this one) are almost identical.

Cal also has an advantage of like 3 or 4 more games played a year that Tubby didn't have. For example, in 2005 we made the SEC Tournament Championship Game and the Elite 8. We only played 34 games. If this team does the same, they will have played in 38 games.

Taking that into account, that's about 15 more wins (or you could subtract 15 from Cal's numbers instead) for Tubby with the same amount of games played. He won 133 + the 15 = 148 wins. Right now Cal is at 139 with the potential to be 149 wins. Nearly identical number. If we get to a Sweet Sixteen this year, it will also be the exact same postseason results.

So there is a lot of similarities to the Tubby years with the way things are going for Cal now.
“If you take away his last two years...” You just lost your argument. You can’t pick and chose the years you want to compare.
 
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Baller Cal

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Yep, I know the loss to ut was inexcusable but this has been a fun season! Some of these miserable people need to just stop watching. If you can’t enjoy the journey, you don’t deserve to celebrate when we win.

Many aren’t happy and not even 40-0 would make them happy for more than 24 hours. Fun season! Enjoy the postseason.
 
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“Before his last two years” - Wouldn’t everyone like to be evaluated by taking out our worst years!!! The real world doesn’t operate that way. Coaches are what records say they are. You caused me to go look at actual #’s.

Tubby was 22-13 & 22-12 his last 2 years, while getting knocked out the first weekend both years. You may not like Cal, but your comparison to Tubby is way, way, way off.

Yeah I also removed Tubby's title year. Cal's last 5 years are basically median Tubby.
 

School boy

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If UK is the greatest program ever and a Hall Of Fame coach is coaching here you gotta do more win more than we have these past 5 years, hell all 10 years one title to show for it. All that talent one Championship, not good
 

irishcat1965

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Yeah I also removed Tubby's title year. Cal's last 5 years are basically median Tubby.
Lol.
Last five years of Cal- final four, second round loss, Elite 8, Sweet 16 and Elite 8. 30 plus wins in three of the seasons. Four SEC tournament titles and three SEC regular season titles. There is no comparison between Tubby and Cal.
 

irishcat1965

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If UK is the greatest program ever and a Hall Of Fame coach is coaching here you gotta do more win more than we have these past 5 years, hell all 10 years one title to show for it. All that talent one Championship, not good
We have four titles in 60 years. What’s your excuse for the other 50 years only having three titles? Especially when most of that time we had junior and senior dominated teams.
 
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Lol.
Last five years of Cal- final four, second round loss, Elite 8, Sweet 16 and Elite 8. 30 plus wins in three of the seasons. Four SEC tournament titles and three SEC regular season titles. There is no comparison between Tubby and Cal.

Tubby had three SEC regular season titles between 2000-2005 and three SEC tournament titles between 2000-2005. Try harder. You’re bad at this.
 

CatCrazyChuk

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Sound argument, until you included Coach K in it who has multiple titles. Cal laid the foundations for the expectations. He said UK would eclipse UCLA. All that withstanding, Cal stated he got "manhandled" last night by UT's coach. Yet, some people think the fan base should be more gentile in their response. To each their own I suppose.
 

Wildcatfan66

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Don't hate Calipari... however the last 5 years are not up to par with the first 5 years here... talent levels just not the same... the question is why? (Antiqua?, Pay for play?) Too much turnover from year to year... rosters are too thin...

UK has had some pretty good seasons the last 5 years, but they haven't been fun to watch (at least for me). Rough early season... usually get better after camp Calipari... and 3 of those 5 years made good tournament runs... but no final fours, which should be the standard for UK...

Bama football fans expect them to be the "final four playoffs" each year.. you think if Saban goes 5 years without being the football playoffs, that Bama is going to be happy? No, and neither should UK basketball.
 

irishcat1965

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Tubby had three SEC regular season titles between 2000-2005 and three SEC tournament titles between 2000-2005. Try harder. You’re bad at this.
You are truly a simpleton. Compare the last five years of each. If you want to compare records after their first two years, Cal had two final fours and a NCAA title during those five years between 2012-2017. Cal also had 3 SEC tournament titles and 4 SEC regular season titles.
 

irishcat1965

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Sound argument, until you included Coach K in it who has multiple titles. Cal laid the foundations for the expectations. He said UK would eclipse UCLA. All that withstanding, Cal stated he got "manhandled" last night by UT's coach. Yet, some people think the fan base should be more gentile in their response. To each their own I suppose.
Coach K has five titles in 40 years. 40 years. Didn’t have one his first ten years. And as far as getting outcoached, imagine being outcoached by Danny Manning in that loss to 11-15 Wake Forest.
 
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School boy

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Coach K has five titles in 40 years. 40 years. Didn’t have one his first ten years. And as far as getting outcoached, imagine being outcoached by Danny Manning in that loss to 11-15 Wake Forest.

lol I would trade ours 40 years for Duke's. Since then more titles and became the biggest brand in the sport and he's the greatest coach ever.

I'd take UNC last 40 too.
 

Oneandnotdone38

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Cal made freaking umass into a national powerhouse and took them to a final four. And then he molded Memphis into a national powerhouse and took them to the NC game.

Could Tubby do that? Because when he left Kentucky. He didn't do much after that.

Calipari is and was always 10× better then Tubby.
 
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irishcat1965

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lol I would trade ours 40 years for Duke's. Since then more titles and became the biggest brand in the sport and he's the greatest coach ever.

I'd take UNC last 40 too.
Greatest coach ever and couldn’t make the final four with Zion and multiple first round picks. Same as every year since 2015. Had more talent than Cal the past four years and still couldn’t make the final four. Explain that to me.
And you with trade place with a serial cheating program like UNC? Interesting to say the least.
 
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CatCrazyChuk

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Coach K has five titles in 40 years. 40 years. Didn’t have one his first ten years. And as far as getting outcoached, imagine being outcoached by Danny Manning in that loss to 11-15 Wake Forest.

My friend you are really good at redirects. Cal should be paying you. :) Regardless of the time frame, as Cal had been at this a while too, the other guy has 5, which muted the argument made by comparisons.

Here is to hoping the team rallies and Cal coaches them to #9. Cheers.
 

KyCatFan1

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“Before his last two years” - Wouldn’t everyone like to be evaluated by taking out our worst years!!! The real world doesn’t operate that way. Coaches are what records say they are. You caused me to go look at actual #’s.

Tubby was 22-13 & 22-12 his last 2 years, while getting knocked out the first weekend both years. You may not like Cal, but your comparison to Tubby is way, way, way off.

“If you take away his last two years...” You just lost your argument. You can’t pick and chose the years you want to compare.

Those are his last 2 years here when he stopped caring and was actively trying to get out of town. Those are outlier years. He didn't have any years that bad at any other time at Kentucky. Who says Cal's last 2 years here might not turn out the same? He did have a really bad year here before that ended in an NIT and it could happen again if we keep being shorthanded and go through injuries like we seem to every year. The main point is the average Tubby years are very similar to where we currently are at.
 

irishcat1965

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My friend you are really good at redirects. Cal should be paying you. :) Regardless of the time frame, as Cal had been at this a while too, the other guy has 5, which muted the argument made by comparisons.

Here is to hoping the team rallies and Cal coaches them to #9. Cheers.
If and when Cal is at UK forty years, then you can truly compare him to K. As far as this year, I completely agree with you.
 
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CatCrazyChuk

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Cal made freaking umass into a national powerhouse and took them to a final four. And then he molded Memphis into a national powerhouse and took them to the NC game.

Could Tubby do that? Because when he left Kentucky. He didn't do much after that.

Calipari is and was always 10× better then Tubby.

1 NC = 1 NC ...Just razzing you.. Cal is better.
 

irishcat1965

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Those are his last 2 years here when he stopped caring and was actively trying to get out of town. Those are outlier years. He didn't have any years that bad at any other time at Kentucky. Who says Cal's last 2 years here might not turn out the same? He did have a really bad year here before that ended in an NIT and it could happen again if we keep being shorthanded and go through injuries like we seem to every year. The main point is the average Tubby years are very similar to where we currently are at.
They aren’t similar. UK didn’t make it out of the first weekend 2004, 2006 and 2007 under Tubby. You can’t just decide to forget Tubby’s last two years because it obviously defeats your argument.
 
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irishcat1965

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1 NC = 1 NC ...Just razzing you.. Cal is better.
This doesn’t mean I don’t think Cal should have won in 11, 14 and 15. I don’t hold 18 against him because of Higgins. But I also think Pitino should have won in 93, 95 and 97. Point being- it’s damn hard winning the title.
 
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KyCatFan1

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“Before his last two years” - Wouldn’t everyone like to be evaluated by taking out our worst years!!! The real world doesn’t operate that way. Coaches are what records say they are. You caused me to go look at actual #’s.

Tubby was 22-13 & 22-12 his last 2 years, while getting knocked out the first weekend both years. You may not like Cal, but your comparison to Tubby is way, way, way off.

By the way I like Cal. He has the perfect personality for this job. I don't like his offense and the constant reliance on one and done players though. I would like to see him adapt more with the times. He seemed to adapt everywhere else, but here he sticks with what was working over 5 years ago that just hasn't worked as well anymore with the changing landscape of college basketball.
 

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This doesn’t mean I don’t think Cal should have won in 11, 14 and 15. I don’t hold 18 against him because of Higgins. But I also think Pitino should have won in 93, 95 and 97. Point being- it’s damn hard winning the title.

2011 I believe was one of Cals best coaching jobs here. That team had no business being in a final four. Harrelson and Liggins were afterthoughts and became key cogs in that run. And even made it on to NBA teams.

That team wins a title if Enes Kanter is ruled eligible. We got absolutely screwed.
 

Hanna2013

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For Cal, Some of the posters on here seem to think that UK should go 40-0 every season.
Coach of the decade and some want him gone. Absolute insanity. I hope Cal stays for another 20 years. Go Cats!!!!!
I hope he stays also
 
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irishcat1965

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2011 I believe was one of Cals best coaching jobs here. That team had no business being in a final four. Harrelson and Liggins were afterthoughts and became key cogs in that run. And even made it on to NBA teams.

That team wins a title if Enes Kanter is ruled eligible. We got absolutely screwed.
The irony is, notwithstanding the terrible loss last night, I think Cal has done one of his best coaching jobs at UK this year so far.
 

KyCatFan1

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They aren’t similar. UK didn’t make it out of the first weekend 2004, 2006 and 2007 under Tubby. You can’t just decide to forget Tubby’s last two years because it obviously defeats your argument.

Like I said, you don't know how Cal's last years here will end up. So I just picked the middle years of Tubby because they are his average years here. Right now these years look like they are becoming Cal's average years. Both performed above average early on (of course Cal's best years exceed Tubby's best), but what we see now might just be what we get the rest of the time Cal is here.

The days of stockpiling elite players is over. When the NBA dumps the one and done rule we will be in the same boat with having to make due with even more less than elite players with one foot out the door when they get here. We will see how it goes and if we can return to those above average years.
 

CatEye2010

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lol I would trade ours 40 years for Duke's. Since then more titles and became the biggest brand in the sport and he's the greatest coach ever.

I'd take UNC last 40 too.
Well then go ahead and go to unCheat's site, and pUKe's site and cheer for them No one's stopping you, and no one will miss you when you're gone.
 

sk73

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think Cal is a great fit for UK, but his stubbornness is troublesome
when teams are chewing up his defense, why not change something...…..anything

that & his lack of recruiting KY kids
Whew...
 

JoeBeeHall

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Historical averages say a team will lose one out of five.
This team won 8 in row against good competition.
They still have a great opportunity to go very deep into the ncaa tournament.
 
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Here is one thing, but man I hope fans aren't reaching out to our players or recruits and spuing their ignorance and hater ways. We lose one game and it's the end of the world. It sucked, I was pissed all night, but we had won 8 straight and then we had a letdown, it happens. As long as we rebound against FL on the road and show we learned a lesson we should be good. Sometimes I read the so-called UK fan's comments and I cringe. I get being pissed and I die a little with each loss, but that's the **** you talk about with your friends or even on here. No one should be online actually talking to these kids and bashing them.

 

*CatinIL*

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Define "Cal Hate", then list those that fall into that group. This board has people that think Calipari can do no wrong and it has people that are tired of Calipari's one and done system. I think the number of people that want to see Calipari gone is really low...REALLY low! But there are people that question if Calipari needs to adapt/adjust so that UKBB has a better shot at a NCAAT title...which is what all UKBB fans really want...right? Anyway, I really don't see any real hatred for Calipari
 
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ManitouDan_anon

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Don't hate Calipari... however the last 5 years are not up to par with the first 5 years here... talent levels just not the same... the question is why? (Antiqua?, Pay for play?) Too much turnover from year to year... rosters are too thin...

UK has had some pretty good seasons the last 5 years, but they haven't been fun to watch (at least for me). Rough early season... usually get better after camp Calipari... and 3 of those 5 years made good tournament runs... but no final fours, which should be the standard for UK...

Bama football fans expect them to be the "final four playoffs" each year.. you think if Saban goes 5 years without being the football playoffs, that Bama is going to be happy? No, and neither should UK basketball.

This.
 

KyCatFan1

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Here is one thing, but man I hope fans aren't reaching out to our players or recruits and spuing their ignorance and hater ways. We lose one game and it's the end of the world. It sucked, I was pissed all night, but we had won 8 straight and then we had a letdown, it happens. As long as we rebound against FL on the road and show we learned a lesson we should be good. Sometimes I read the so-called UK fan's comments and I cringe. I get being pissed and I die a little with each loss, but that's the **** you talk about with your friends or even on here. No one should be online actually talking to these kids and bashing them.


Why is it so hard to not have open communication where anyone can talk to you? You don't know who the people are or the motivations of their comments. These athletes should either not have social media accounts or they should keep them private for only those they want to see replies from. Unfortunately they like the fame and with it comes a price.
 

know1

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Define "Cal Hate", then list those that fall into that group. This board has people that think Calipari can do no wrong and it has people that are tired of Calipari's one and done system. I think the number of people that want to see Calipari gone is really low...REALLY low! But there are people that question if Calipari needs to adapt/adjust so that UKBB has a better shot at a NCAAT title...which is what all UKBB fans really want...right? Anyway, I really don't see any real hatred for Calipari

Agree with this.

I don't understand the posters who take a criticism of Cal and immediately label it hate. Apparently, they can't grasp anything in between adoration and hate.

I want the UK basketball program to be focused on winning titles as its #1 goal. There can be other goals, but they start at a distant second.

I don't care who the coach is. It can be Cal or it can be someone else. What I want from that coach is 100% effort toward that #1 goal. That means 100% in recruiting, 100% in strategically building a team/program, 100% in strategically scheduling that sets us up for success in the tournament, 100% in preparation for opponents, 100% in coaching and managing games, etc.

What frustrates me about Cal is that it doesn't appear as if his #1 goal for our program is to win championships because he's not all in on all of those things. It seems as if his #1 goal is getting kids to the NBA. Not just because he has basically said as much in the past, but because of his actions or lack thereof.

I like Cal. I don't hate him by any stretch. His win loss record is about as good as you can expect. I just get really frustrated that there are so many areas that could be better than they are and we probably could have won a few more championships with the incredible talent he's brought here. And it's tough to envision that we're going to win any more championships anytime soon without changes.
 
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