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Sorry you can’t read a chart, it’s not rocket science and not made up. First three years are the rebuild period. By year 4 most of the roster is the coach’s players so no excuses if they don’t win.
You can clearly see the difference in record each time Greg has been here.
Two 7-6 seasons is hardly an inspiring turnaround
The defense of schiano and how entrenched he is with the fan base is crazy
Oh, Shelby didn’t realize ‘rebuild years’ is a fixed period of time for new coaches. He thinks you cherry picked for Mr. Ice the Kicker to make him look better.
Question, when will the ‘winning years’ come ? Last year, when the schedule was weak ?
Agreed, but (1) RU is in a much tougher conference compared to the first time and (2) in two seasons it more wins than the prior three combined.
If someone pulled this together for Pike it would look similar. The only caveat is Pike has back to back losing seasons the last two years. I don’t fault him for the first one since Cam & Paul’s late departures screwed everything up in terms of roster construction. Last year though, he has to take a fair shake of blame.
Sorry I'm not completely disagreeing with you but this is a (idk) 18 home game season for collage ball general admission parking not premium lot or a Giants Stzdium event.
And throwing 5 bucks out there as the ask is disingenuous.
The bulletproof schiano love is unbearable
He’s had a winning record 8 of 16 seasons total
He’s come as close to winning something notable as pike which is to say they both haven’t
They both have had a couple memorable seasons a handful of average ones and half bad ones
He’s had a winning record 8 of 16 seasons total
He’s come as close to winning something notable as pike which is to say they both haven’t
They both have had a couple memorable seasons a handful of average ones and half bad ones
Pike has 5 losing seasons out of 9 now. Those accomplishments are fading quickly, this roster will be the final nail in Pike's coffin. Meanwhile Schiano keeps bringing in stronger classes and transfers. It's not that he's bulletproof, he just knows how to get from point A to point B better and maintain that momentum.
Greg has an overall losing record 94-101 at RU and has 8 losing seasons out of 16. Sounds very similar to Pike. Recruiting classes mean nothing. Wins and loses ultimately mater. Unfortunately for your comparison, Pike and Schiano have very similar records. If you look at Big Ten records (most relevant), Pike has Schiano beat. For the record, I think both guys are good for Rutgers.
Half of those were rebuilds. And let’s not act like the entire institution hasn’t been playing catchup (or falling behind) for most of the past 3-4 decades. I think Greg will be fine in the NIL era. but worried if that’s just not a thing Pike can do well (or if we’ll have the money to compete). Player development is mandatory in football with many redshirting, regardless of NIL. Bball, with the huge NIL deals, fewer players to spread it around to, and turnover, is going to be tougher.
Recruiting classes mean nothing...LOL
Spoken like a true homer, now tell us how you win if you're not recruiting via HS and the portal. What fairy dust concoction are we missing. Wins and losses start with recruiting, then coaching and development.
Pike is on the hot seat because of his recruiting. Greg's seat is nowhere near warm. And while both play in the B1G, it's a lot harder to climb the ladder to get to the top tier of the conference in football.
You guys really need to stop this basketball / football comparison because you don't have the bandwidth to consider all the nuances to make a fair comparison.
So just ignore wins and loses. Got it. Pike has a better record vs the Big Ten even if you include the Big East for Schiano. Isn’t that a fair comparison?
Then explain why Pike is on the hot seat and Greg is not. You all keep wanting to dance around that issue with all this other nonsense because it will reveal the cracks in your defense.
Again, stop comparing the two sports because it’s not as cut and dry as some of you want to make it out to be. Some of you just want to argue for the sake of it than accept reality.
Do you think Greg is successful?
Last season in my opinion and many others was a let down in football … they had the easiest possible big ten schedule and could still only muster 7 wins
Please stop, you guys that say this have no idea the level of injuries many guys were playing through. Monangai played much of the season with broken ribs. The defense was in way worse shape. Yet even through it all Greg was able to salvage his season which could have spiraled out of control. But keep repeating this trope like it tells the whole story.
It’s football you think any team didn’t have injuries?
It doesn’t make him a god… next man up you’re expected to deal with injuries in football
He has had in my opinion 1 maybe 2 excellent seasons out of 16 at Rutgers … pike has had about 2 really good seasons too
There’s nothing stopping you from starting a tax deductible collective. Question is should NIL payments be tax deductible. My opinion is probably not, but as long as no one calls the collectives on it, they will continue to accept tax deductible contributions.
Hasn't Puke had like two classes in a row ranked higher than anything Greg has ever done? Has to be pretty close.
Not arguing your total point, just Pikes recruiting lately has been fine. It was past classes and the portal he falls short.
And they did which is why they finished with 7 wins instead of 4.
Again, you guys trying to compare the two coaches to put Pike on some sort of pedestal isn't working. The sports are vastly different from recruiting, roster management, competition level, etc. Both have done admirable things during their tenures. Appreciate both of them.
It’s the exact opposite of putting Pikes on a pedestal. People are objecting to Pikes getting crushed while Schiano is glorified as some gold standard winner and fund raiser…when in fact he has achieved absolutely bupkis. Having said that, I agree wholeheartedly with your last two sentences.
People need to realize that we’re all part of h th e same team and both sports suffer from similar constraints — Money.
If you never win anything of relevance, you dont ever get to Point B, if you are Schiano.....RU has a 41 game losing streak against ranked opponents, the longest in Power 4/5 programs.....the last win was against USF in 2009 and by most metrics today, USF is either considered a Power 4/5 program or they are not.
USF is considered today a program in the AAC, which is kinda good, but not a Power 5 program today. Not like it's saying we beat an up and coming program that continued to grow and do things, like say UCF or something along those lines.
I am baffled by this "loss of momentum ", dont you have to win "something", to actually have momentum or relevance, to then turn around and say Pike has "lost momentum "??
Just trying to understand what this means....you either have accomplished something or you can point to "it's coming soon".....a fair question is "when"????
This Pike on the hotseat is hilarious....Schiano has NO winning seasons in conference.....has not won 8 games in his 5 seasons since then and is not expected to win 8 games this year, which would be 6 seasons in a row.
Could RU win 8 games in football this year....?? Its possible, but we play ranked opponents most months, just like Pike does in hoops....At least Pike has wins against ranked opponents, dare I say, he defeated #1 on 2 separate occasions, among many other ranked wins.
I am looking for a realistic discussion, not recruiting narratives about the portal that are not supported by any objective measurement.
How many more seasons does Schiano get to get RU to winning record in the B1G?? We play 9 conference games, which means FIVE B1G wins......are we winning 5 B1G games in each of the next 4 years or 4 in a row.....is it once....??
We need goals and benchmarks to determine progress, not vague references.
This is the whole thing… schiano hasn’t reached the next level basically ever since the lightning in a bottle 2006 season that was 20 years ago
To me either both need to have a warm seat or neither do … I’m leaning towards both but I want them both to succeed
41 straight ranked losses is horrendous and before you say oh the talent gap … the #1 team is the #1 team if you’re saying the gap is so wide or your failing to beat one of those teams look in the mirror
I'm also saying that you cannot fundraise at a high level with no relevant wins in football.....it is just the most popular sport and the one that resonates with a schools identity the most.
As much as Indiana and Purdue are considered "basketball schools" when Purdue has been very good in football, the fundraising goes way up.....
There's more or as much of a discussion about Indiana football after last season as there is about the new Basketball coaches hired last month.
Football success, even for a team like Indiana, which was RU crushed in 2023 on the road, no less.....Indiana bounced back in one year and has unlocked donations not ever seen, because they improved and sold out their stadium for the 1st times in a LONG time.....had sell outs vs Washington, and Michigan.
RU needs to win some relevant games in football and Schiano needs to come close fo doing what Pike does.....if he does 25% of what Pike has accomplished, the floodgates of money will open up.
Then we can piggyback that revenue to help hoops and Pike with some donations......not the other way around.
This I agree with however he has not done that and I’ll double down and say he’s not even come reasonably close to beating a ranked opponent of note
But he has fared well against Wagner on multiple occasions in the Arthur Kill and Superfund Site Trophy game, however, and that rivalry does raise the RU fans’ excitement level as much as the Keep Choppin’ motto does, if not ten times more.
The very reason our football games are sold out for the next 60 years is because of the mere possibility of playing Wagner in all those years.
The very reason our football games are sold out for the next 60 years is because of the mere possibility of playing Wagner in all those years.
Greg is a mediocre gameday coach who knows how to lock in his people to give him money. It happened round 1 and is happening again. I think Pikiell is a good coach who is having trouble fundraising especially because the people he leaned on in his first few years have moved over/back to King Greg.
Ah, ok. Shelby’s assessment is ‘abysmal almost to the point of questioning if he knows anything at all, even the color of the ball’
Yes. They are offended by divergent opinions.
The only opinions Shelby finds offensive are those that begin:
“RutgersAl said:”
That’s so bizarre. If a coach this bad can continually put up mediocre results then what does it say about the other coaches? Or is it the many great competitive advantages Rutgers has over the rest of the Big Ten that he is squandering? Or?
Like I am far from thinking that either Schiano or Pikiell are necessary doing a great job, but the people around here who describe either or both of them as these complete bumbling morons who have no idea what they are doing just make no sense to me. How do you think we are winning the games we are winning? We are far from the worst power program in either sport and it’s not like we have a resource advantage over basically anybody. So do like 30% of the power five just have complete dunces for coaches?