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GeorgeFlippin

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Is he this huge?

 
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Hell, Nebraska had good to Stud Dtackles from 2005 to 2015, including College Football's best Dtackle of the last 25 years.
Yep. However, I started to have doubts about Bo when he failed in his recruiting of DT's post Suh. Sure, he got some decent ones. But they were nowhere near what they could/should have been. Especially since right before coming here Bo also coached Dorsey. My goodness. He should have been able to walk into any DT recruit's home and have instant cred. Instead... we get an out of position player (Baker), head cases like Chase Rome, and lazy as **** players like VV.

I am probably exaggerating a bit and forgetting some decent players Bo recruited post Suh (Like Collins) at that spot, but I still stand by my point.

So, to return to the OP, I hope Frost can start hauling in some high quality defensive recruits across the front seven. All of the hype surrounding Frost is centered on his skills as an offense-minded coach. But, just as in 2007, the weakness of last year's team was clearly the defense. Don't get me wrong... I have a lot of confidence Frost will get it done. But as far as I am concerned our turn around as a program will only happen when we start playing at a very high level on defense again.
 
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Must be the watering hole where you hang. Maybe start reading and get caught up.
Huh? Lol. Ok. Perhaps you can help my "catching up" process by linking an article that is all about how great Frost was at UCF developing a dominant defense. Or about his unique and innovative approach to defense.

As I said... I have every confidence that Frost will develop our defense. Just the reemphasis on weight training, accountability, and physicality in practice, will be a huge upgrade over Riley. Now we just need the stud recruits. Like the recruit in the OP.

But to imply that I am behind the learning curve because I point out that Frost is known more for offense than defense is just a gratuitous insult having no relation to reality.
 
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To judge the Nebraska defense, under Frost and Chin, we will have to alter a little bit of what we think a dominant defense is. Because the offense uses tempo, there will be 3 and outs and very little time come off the clock. Opposing offenses will put up yards, simply because they will get more opportunities. The gauge going forward will be yards per play.
 

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Huh? Lol. Ok. Perhaps you can help my "catching up" process by linking an article that is all about how great Frost was at UCF developing a dominant defense. Or about his unique and innovative approach to defense.

As I said... I have every confidence that Frost will develop our defense. Just the reemphasis on weight training, accountability, and physicality in practice, will be a huge upgrade over Riley. Now we just need the stud recruits. Like the recruit in the OP.

But to imply that I am behind the learning curve because I point out that Frost is known more for offense than defense is just a gratuitous insult having no relation to reality.
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/...cle_0930b4a0-0d4f-50d3-b601-da4f4b25aac8.html

https://www.landof10.com/nebraska/n...defense-nfl-seattle-seahawks-shaquill-griffin

Relative to defense credit goes to Chinander as it should but rest assured Frost knows what the defense is doing and adds input for the game plan. Chinander has a lot of looks for the QB to ponder. With respect to innovation and defenses it just doesn't jump out at you like offense.

For me I have no doubt that Frost is just as impressive to defensive players as he is with offensive players.
 

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Huh? Lol. Ok. Perhaps you can help my "catching up" process by linking an article that is all about how great Frost was at UCF developing a dominant defense. Or about his unique and innovative approach to defense.

As I said... I have every confidence that Frost will develop our defense. Just the reemphasis on weight training, accountability, and physicality in practice, will be a huge upgrade over Riley. Now we just need the stud recruits. Like the recruit in the OP.

But to imply that I am behind the learning curve because I point out that Frost is known more for offense than defense is just a gratuitous insult having no relation to reality.

Just ignore the mindless insults as they're a dime a dozen.

Without doubt, even with a terrific offense we'll never get an NC without having vicious, brutal blackshirts. Oh, a great offense alone will win some big games but will never consistently hold up with the big boys.

I'm quite sure SF understands that the Oline & Dline are our #1 priority. I too hope to see some great recruiting for them next year.
 
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To judge the Nebraska defense, under Frost and Chin, we will have to alter a little bit of what we think a dominant defense is. Because the offense uses tempo, there will be 3 and outs and very little time come off the clock. Opposing offenses will put up yards, simply because they will get more opportunities. The gauge going forward will be yards per play.
The inherent value of a yard gained varies situationally based on down and distance, field position, game score, time remaining, etc. So while yards per play is one metric to consider, I don’t think it can be counted on to tell the whole story.
 
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http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/...cle_0930b4a0-0d4f-50d3-b601-da4f4b25aac8.html

https://www.landof10.com/nebraska/n...defense-nfl-seattle-seahawks-shaquill-griffin

Relative to defense credit goes to Chinander as it should but rest assured Frost knows what the defense is doing and adds input for the game plan. Chinander has a lot of looks for the QB to ponder. With respect to innovation and defenses it just doesn't jump out at you like offense.

For me I have no doubt that Frost is just as impressive to defensive players as he is with offensive players.
I suspect you are correct that Frost appeals to all recruits. He just has that "it" factor.

And as Tuco points out, with a fast paced offense the defense is on the field more which can inflate the production stats for opposing offenses. The bottom line is yards per play and the score.

I wasn't saying Frost can't coach defense. Just pointing out that most pundits agree that his true genius, just like Osborne, is with the offense.
 
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I suspect you are correct that Frost appeals to all recruits. He just has that "it" factor.

And as Tuco points out, with a fast paced offense the defense is on the field more which can inflate the production stats for opposing offenses. The bottom line is yards per play and the score.

I wasn't saying Frost can't coach defense. Just pointing out that most pundits agree that his true genius, just like Osborne, is with the offense.
...and like you said, he is just like Osborne so there's that.
 

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I suspect you are correct that Frost appeals to all recruits. He just has that "it" factor.

And as Tuco points out, with a fast paced offense the defense is on the field more which can inflate the production stats for opposing offenses. The bottom line is yards per play and the score.

I wasn't saying Frost can't coach defense. Just pointing out that most pundits agree that his true genius, just like Osborne, is with the offense.
I apologize for coming off so strong.
 
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The inherent value of a yard gained varies situationally based on down and distance, field position, game score, time remaining, etc. So while yards per play is one metric to consider, I don’t think it can be counted on to tell the whole story.

And all of those things have a tendency to even out over the length of a game, to where yards per play will give you a good idea of how the overall defense is performing.

With that said, my comment was more about how we would use total yards or yards per game (total, rushing and passing) as a metric to judge how good the defense was playing in the past. Going forward, that metric may not tell you what it once did.
 
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And all of those things have a tendency to even out over the length of a game, to where yards per play will give you a good idea of how the overall defense is performing.

With that said, my comment was more about how we would use total yards or yards per game (total, rushing and passing) as a metric to judge how good the defense was playing in the past. Going forward, that metric may not tell you what it once did.
Yeah, I know. I wasn't trying to attack your post or question what you were trying to say, I was just adding that it is difficult to distill a defensive performance down to one metric. I think with today's high powered offenses, you want a defense that can get the ball back (turnovers and forced punts) and keep the point totals down, if they give up yards and time of possession in the process, so be it.
 

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To judge the Nebraska defense, under Frost and Chin, we will have to alter a little bit of what we think a dominant defense is. Because the offense uses tempo, there will be 3 and outs and very little time come off the clock. Opposing offenses will put up yards, simply because they will get more opportunities. The gauge going forward will be yards per play.

And turnovers.
 
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ajehealth

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Committed to TN. Not surprising since I think he is from that area of the country. Talented kid that should make it to the NFL.
 

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The staff did the right thing - offer really talented JUCO kids regardless of position and try to land a few here and there. We need high school kids at ILB worse than another JUCO kid for the long-term of the program.