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MWes11

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  • High school basketball student-athletes can make more frequent campus visits paid for by colleges (referred to as official visits). The visits can begin as soon as the summer before their junior year.
  • Elite high school basketball recruits and college players can be represented by an agent who can help them make informed decisions about going pro.
  • Agents must be certified by an NCAA program with standards for behavior and consequences for violations.
  • Student-athletes will be able to participate in the NBA draft and return to school if undrafted, pending future action from the NBA and the National Basketball Players Association. Currently, college athletes who are interested in going pro can declare for the draft and attend the NBA combine, but must withdraw no more than 10 days after the combine to stay eligible.
  • Division I schools will be required to pay for tuition, fees and books for men’s and women’s basketball players who left school and returned later to the same school to earn their degree. The NCAA is establishing a fund for schools who are otherwise unable to provide this aid.
 
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CatPhight_rivals65113

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5+ decades of Tarholery is swept under the rug...

 
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awf

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I never did understand why trying out for the NBA disqualified them for the NBA........the items that they are addressing makes it seem like common sense has prevailed at the NCAA......
 
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Dr. H Lecter

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Allowing them to sign with a NCAA registered agent will fix a lot. The better players will have "legit" agents....who the NBA should then also "register" and ban from representing an NBA player if the agent willingly violates the new NCAA rules. That is the choke point where all the illegal stuff seems to happen....jockeying for future NBA players and the players need for information as to their future earnings potential.
 
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MWes11

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GrafSpot said:
Welp, welcome to the NBA-lite, folks. I personally have the feeling that mixing agents in with high school and college athletics is going to be massive mistake.
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Yeah not sure how great of an idea this is. These kids already have a million people in their ears trying to push them to schools. Why add another POS in to the equation trying to push their own agenda on a kid to push them to a certain school? I mean, you don't think these agents will get kickbacks from schools if they get their "client" to sign there? It's happening now, but this will just make it more prevalent. idk.
 
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mjj_2K

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We made agents legal, so no more problems!
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It's the only way they can do this.

It's impossible, and honestly, just flat wrong, to not allow players to consult with agents. But how do you control it while discouraging an ocean of money from flowing under the table? The only chance you have is to allow it but regulate it.

I'm sure agents and schools will look for workarounds (the most basic would seem to be back-end payments, as in agreeing to pay a player a certain amount, but not until he's in the draft), but there would seem to be more incentive among agents to play it straight, since losing certification from the NCAA would be a major hit.
 
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Glenn's Take

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MWes11 said:
Yeah not sure how great of an idea this is. These kids already have a million people in their ears trying to push them to schools. Why add another POS in to the equation trying to push their own agenda on a kid to push them to a certain school? I mean, you don't think these agents will get kickbacks from schools if they get their client to sign there? It's happening now, but this will just make it more prevalent. idk.
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I don't get it. If you think the cheating was bad before, it's going to be 10 times worse now that it's cloaked in legality.
 
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FrankUnderwood

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MWes11 said:

  • High school basketball student-athletes can make more frequent campus visits paid for by colleges (referred to as official visits). The visits can begin as soon as the summer before their junior year.
  • Elite high school basketball recruits and college players can be represented by an agent who can help them make informed decisions about going pro.
  • Agents must be certified by an NCAA program with standards for behavior and consequences for violations.
  • Student-athletes will be able to participate in the NBA draft and return to school if undrafted, pending future action from the NBA and the National Basketball Players Association. Currently, college athletes who are interested in going pro can declare for the draft and attend the NBA combine, but must withdraw no more than 10 days after the combine to stay eligible.
  • Division I schools will be required to pay for tuition, fees and books for men’s and women’s basketball players who left school and returned later to the same school to earn their degree. The NCAA is establishing a fund for schools who are otherwise unable to provide this aid.
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Who defines who is “elite” and who isn’t ?
 
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GrafSpot said:
Welp, welcome to the NBA-lite, folks. I personally have the feeling that mixing agents in with high school and college athletics is going to be massive mistake.
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I’ll disagree. Agents were already in contact with players. And what made it bad is that they operated in the shadows. Now, the agents will register with the NCAA and all their interactions will be above board. Will make it easier to punish those that step outside the rules.
 
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bigblueinsanity_rivals250340

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WildcatfaninOhio said:
I’ll disagree. Agents were already in contact with players. And what made it bad is that they operated in the shadows. Now, the agents will register with the NCAA and all their interactions will be above board. Will make it easier to punish those that step outside the rules.
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Now their presence will be known but their actions will still be shady. Nothing changes. Just a finger in the wind reaction

MWes11 said:
haha good point. No idea. Maybe top 10 in a class? Not sure.
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And by which service? Numerous top tens out there. Just window dressing allowing for arbitrary determinations
 
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  • High school basketball student-athletes can make more frequent campus visits paid for by colleges (referred to as official visits). The visits can begin as soon as the summer before their junior year.
Not a big change. Visits rarely are the deciding factor
  • Elite high school basketball recruits and college players can be represented by an agent who can help them make informed decisions about going pro.
In college, its the agents that pay the players, what money will the players have to pay the agents?
  • Agents must be certified by an NCAA program with standards for behavior and consequences for violations.
I love this one, NCAA making money off the agents that are paid by the players, so the players essentially will be paying the NCAA
  • Student-athletes will be able to participate in the NBA draft and return to school if undrafted, pending future action from the NBA and the National Basketball Players Association. Currently, college athletes who are interested in going pro can declare for the draft and attend the NBA combine, but must withdraw no more than 10 days after the combine to stay eligible.
Sucks for Kentucky, any kid one wants to get drafted no matter what will enter every year
  • Division I schools will be required to pay for tuition, fees and books for men’s and women’s basketball players who left school and returned later to the same school to earn their degree. The NCAA is establishing a fund for schools who are otherwise unable to provide this aid.
This one is cute too, NCAA will collect more money for the players...haha
 
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I think this will work a lot better than most of you are thinking. Right now all the cheating and ugly underbelly stuff is happening because that is the only way for it to happen. This is going to give the players and agents an above board, legal way of doing business. There is no incentive to do things the wrong way anymore, the risk/reward is no longer there when you can accomplish the same things by following the rules. It's like with sports gambling. Everybody is doing it, making it illegal had zero impact on curbing it. So make it legal and have everyone work together to police it and keep it clean.
 
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This will be an issue for Kentucky. As mentioned, every decent player will put his name in the draft and who is returning will be uncertain. It is going to make it hard to plan for the next year as far as roster is concerned and may have an impact on getting a commitment from recruits.
 
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GrafSpot said:
Welp, welcome to the NBA-lite, folks. I personally have the feeling that mixing agents in with high school and college athletics is going to be massive mistake.
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It's been done for God knows how long behind closed doors. This is the NCAA trying to throw sunshine onto a dark horse.
 
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VikingCat21

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I'm a fan of the new harsher penalties too. U6 should be shitting their pants after reading about the NCAA now using info from outside sources (FBI) and increasing post-season bans to 5 years. Mack has to be kicking himself right now.
 
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MWes11

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VikingCat21 said:
I think this will work a lot better than most of you are thinking. Right now all the cheating and ugly underbelly stuff is happening because that is the only way for it to happen. This is going to give the players and agents an above board, legal way of doing business. There is no incentive to do things the wrong way anymore, the risk/reward is no longer there when you can accomplish the same things by following the rules. It's like with sports gambling. Everybody is doing it, making it illegal had zero impact on curbing it. So make it legal and have everyone work together to police it and keep it clean.
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KyCatFan1

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travisbickle said:
I like the changes, especially regarding undrafted players being able to return.

I also like having outside parties involved in the process of investigations and penalties.
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Not a fan of this for the school. Now they have to hold a scholarship for a borderline draft pick until very late in the recruiting process and might not be able to fill the spot.

GrafSpot said:
Welp, welcome to the NBA-lite, folks. I personally have the feeling that mixing agents in with high school and college athletics is going to be massive mistake.
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Probably will have agents still cheating. They will give money to the recruits and their families and claim it is alright since they are certified by the NCAA. Of course the families won't know all the rules and will go along with it since they need the money. They should just make it alright to go straight to the NBA out of high school and be done with it. Leave the college game out of it.
 
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UKnCincy_rivals

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gocats_yay said:
  • High school basketball student-athletes can make more frequent campus visits paid for by colleges (referred to as official visits). The visits can begin as soon as the summer before their junior year.
Not a big change. Visits rarely are the deciding factor
  • Elite high school basketball recruits and college players can be represented by an agent who can help them make informed decisions about going pro.
In college, its the agents that pay the players, what money will the players have to pay the agents?
  • Agents must be certified by an NCAA program with standards for behavior and consequences for violations.
I love this one, NCAA making money off the agents that are paid by the players, so the players essentially will be paying the NCAA
  • Student-athletes will be able to participate in the NBA draft and return to school if undrafted, pending future action from the NBA and the National Basketball Players Association. Currently, college athletes who are interested in going pro can declare for the draft and attend the NBA combine, but must withdraw no more than 10 days after the combine to stay eligible.
Sucks for Kentucky, any kid one wants to get drafted no matter what will enter every year
  • Division I schools will be required to pay for tuition, fees and books for men’s and women’s basketball players who left school and returned later to the same school to earn their degree. The NCAA is establishing a fund for schools who are otherwise unable to provide this aid.
This one is cute too, NCAA will collect more money for the players...haha
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Disagree with your assessment that the ability to enter the draft and return will hurt UK. Think we’ll actually benefit from this.

We pretty much have everyone declare now as it is, so don’t think the declarations will increase. Plus, if this were the rule today, Gabriel is probably still playing this season. We probably get another season of Aaron Harrison.

This will hurt schools who have coaches that routinely talk kids out of entering the draft much more. There’s essentially no risk tied to entering, plus they can speak openly with an agent and not have to rely on any line of crap that their coach is feeding them. Think this is much more of a problem for the Roy Williams’ of the world than for us.

The other potential benefit is if it encourages players from schools like UNC to enter the draft more frequently, then that may push some of our fringe freshman down the draft board and cause them to play an additional year or two.

I think there’s real potential that we benefit from these changes quite a bit. Could be wrong, but I’m optimistic about it.
 
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How much does it cost to be a NCAA certified agent? How does one get certified? Will this lead to "ncaa Certified Daddys"?
I want in as BFF NCAA certified agent.
 
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docholiday51

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kb22stang said:
Why? What exactly will be a mess?
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Well,when you mix high school age kids with greedy handlers,parents and shoe companies with large amounts of money then throw in agents you are asking for problems.The NCAA couldn't or wouldn't manage things as they were,by adding another layer of individuals(agents) to the mix it only becomes more complicated and less enforceable (if possible)

It seems that few schools or recruits were abiding by the rules in recent years do you think that making it easier to cheat will improve that situation.The more money or potential for money you introduce into the recruiting process the more people will bend rules and cheat.

The NCAA will have more leeway to punish who they choose and ignore cheating by the UNC's,Duke's and KU's of the world

There that should cover it for starters.
 
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I wonder if this will make guys wait even longer to commit to schools ?
 
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