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Howland and a 3 guard lineup

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bsquared24

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Forgive me if I've missed this but does Howland run much 3 guard lineup? Arguably our 3 best players are now all shooting guards Newman, Sword, Fred T.

I find it hard to believe as poorly as we shot last year but you have to find a way to put your best players on the court for the most time.
 
57stratdawg

57stratdawg

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We are going to be a perimeter heavy team next year.

Newman
Fred T
Sword
Daniels
Ware
 
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fishwater99

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Jun 4, 2007
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bsquared24 said:
Forgive me if I've missed this but does Howland run much 3 guard lineup? Arguably our 3 best players are now all shooting guards Newman, Sword, Fred T.

I find it hard to believe as poorly as we shot last year but you have to find a way to put your best players on the court for the most time.
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I think Houston gets some of that Fred T playing time.
 
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thf24

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Fred is up there if he's used correctly. Ray trying to play him as a traditional wing instead of the spot up shooter and defensive specialist he should be made him look a lot worse than he really is.
 
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121Josey

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thf24 said:
Fred is up there if he's used correctly. Ray trying to play him as a traditional wing instead of the spot up shooter and defensive specialist he should be made him look a lot worse than he really is.
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He's not better than Ware. He's not better than Ready. It's debatable if he's better than Houston.

Maybe Howland will use him better, but he's not close to being State's third best player next season.
 
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msstate7

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Nov 27, 2008
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Malik
Sword
Fred/Houston
Kasongo (assuming we still get em)
Ware

Loser of Fred/Houston becomes 6th man.

Black rests frontcourt

Wouldn't count weatherspoon out for some mins either
 
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philduckworth

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I think we will see Malik and Sword in the backcourt to start. Then when Ready comes in Malik can slide to the 2 and Sword to the wing and play a 3 guard lineup like Villanova. This might actually be our best lineup giving us quickness and the ability to spread the floor. We could use Kasongo and Ware together in this lineup.

Originally I thought we might start Malik, Sword, Houston, Kasongo and Ware, but I don't think that lineup has enough outside shooters. We need to create space for Malik and Sword to drive. Howland said Daniels is going to play the stretch 4.

So I could see our starting lineup being Malik, Sword, F. Thomas, Daniels and Ware. This would mean Kasongo coming in for Ware and Zuppardo/Black coming in for Daniels. A lot of options. Hopefully Houston can really work on his mid-range and 3 point game because he can be a special player defensively and in the open court.
 
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philduckworth

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Bulldogg31 said:
Fred has a great looking shot unless you like shots that go in.
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Howland said he noticed a bad habit with Fred in individual workouts. Fred was watching the ball when he shot it. A few tweaks and maybe Fred can be a 38% 3 point shooter for us. He's a catch and shoot guy and a good defender.
 
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Bulldogg31

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HoopsDawg said:
Howland said he noticed a bad habit with Fred in individual workouts.
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Good to hear because his form seems good and the ball looks great leaving his hand, it just doesn't go in. It's like a golfer with a great looking swing but the ball always ends up in the woods...should be fixable.
 
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philduckworth

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Bulldogg31 said:
Good to hear because his form seems good and the ball looks great leaving his hand, it just doesn't go in. It's like a golfer with a great looking swing but the ball always ends up in the woods...should be fixable.
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Here's the exact quote: I noticed, for example, we are working with him to not watch the ball when he shoots it. A lot of players do that and have a habit of watching the ball and they jerk their head. In a game when you have defenses, it throws your shot off because it lifts your shoulders back. So it is just little things like that and also being down a little lower so he really has his springs loaded, meaning his legs, and so he has his hips down.
 
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engie

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May 29, 2011
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HoopsDawg said:
Here's the exact quote: I noticed, for example, we are working with him to not watch the ball when he shoots it. A lot of players do that and have a habit of watching the ball and they jerk their head. In a game when you have defenses, it throws your shot off because it lifts your shoulders back. So it is just little things like that and also being down a little lower so he really has his springs loaded, meaning his legs, and so he has his hips down.
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Seems pretty interesting to me. Exciting to hear details like this leak. He's basically saying what I think we've all noticed before -- Fred is close to being a good jumpshooter. Will never be a creator off the dribble -- but if we can get him open, he can hit shots for us IMO...
 
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KurtRambis4

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Fred's biggest

problem last year was not getting good looks. When he did, he often made his shots. Problem was, he hardly ever got those looks.
 
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engie

Sophomore
May 29, 2011
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Agreed. He needs to be set up to shoot... We didn't build around making that happen very often this year. Didn't help that we really didn't have a good distributor on the team... I think Malik changes that alot...
 
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DAWG61

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Once FTF dribbles he should never shoot outside. He is purely a spot shooter. Catch and release. He can jump with good height so if he cleans up his mechanics and only takes spot catch and shoot jumpers he has nice potential to be a Bruce Bowen type. Sit on the corners and drain threes. I am loving our lineup for next year right now. Need to fix the Ndoye spot though unless Howland can magically transform the baby giraffe into Mutumbo.
 
57stratdawg

57stratdawg

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I think he's going to start at PF for us next year. He'll be a guy that plays away from the basket and opens the lane up. There is along way to go though.
 
coach66

coach66

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Agree, he is serviceable when he can set and balance himself before he shoots.

He is not effective when shooting off balance at all, most people aren't.
 
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fishwater99

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Jun 4, 2007
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KurtRambis4 said:
problem last year was not getting good looks. When he did, he often made his shots. Problem was, he hardly ever got those looks.
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I am not still not sold on Fred's shooting ability. Hopefully Howland will work on making him a better shooter.
We will need a legit outside threat besides Malik.
 
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msstate7

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fishwater99 said:
I am not still not sold on Fred's shooting ability. Hopefully Howland will work on making him a better shooter.
We will need a legit outside threat besides Malik.
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Hopefully sword makes the same jump on his perimeter shooting as he did last year
 
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KurtRambis4

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Aug 30, 2006
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I'm

confused, you say the new staff disagrees (that Daniels will be starting) but offer no proof other than "rely on posters like myself." All I'm asking for is a link to the article where they said he'd be starting. Where is the disconnect with you on that?
 
57stratdawg

57stratdawg

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Dec 1, 2004
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Why are your panties in such a wad over this? There obviously is no article with Ben Howland quoted as saying Daniels is going to start the first game of the season 6 months before tip-off. But Howland really likes his skill set, and he really fits into what he wants to do with the team next year.

Newman
F Thomas
Sword
Daniels
Ware

That's my $ on our starting lineup next year. Disagree if you want. Offer up an alternative, by all means.
 
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KurtRambis4

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Aug 30, 2006
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How

did you get that my "panties were in a wad?" You were the one acting like a little child when I disputed Daniels starting, but I'm the one all upset?

You disagreed with my assertion that Daniels wouldn't start, saying our staff really liked him. I asked for evidence, then you acted like a child, again.

Where is statement from Howland that disputes my assertion, that Daniels won't start.

Ware
Kasongo
FTF
Chicken
Malik
 
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