Howard out at Michigan

[PiscatawayMike]

Another addition to the great-college-player-turned-failed-college-coach All Star team. Howard joins such luminaries as Clyde Drexler, Patrick Ewing, and RU's own Eddie Jordan.

Don't forget Chris Mullin.

 

[Plum Street]

Eh... there are a few things that can get you fired even if you win. But yes in this case he was clearly fired for losing.

Like what ? All the guys that win resurface

 

[Plum Street]

If I am Michigan , I would go for a home run hire and target Jalen rose and rumeal Robinson .

 

[Shelby65]

They lost two to the NBA plus Dickinson. I highly doubt this had to do primarily with one last place season,

 

[RUDivision]

Don't forget Chris Mullin.

Guys he didn’t fail . He had too many things off the court swirling around him and a terrible season was a good reason to make all those problems go away.

In 5 years!
3 NCAAtournament elite 8 and sweet 16
NIT berth
Big ten champions
NBA players
All American

Off court got him and right fully so

 

[fluoxetine]

Like what ? All the guys that win resurface

Getting fired and resurfacing eventually is still getting fired. But yes, if you win ALOT you’ll probably land somewhere eventually

 

[Scangg]

Huh?
He went to the NCAA tourney 2 out of 4 years.
Won the Big Ten one year.

If that's a failure, then you shouldn't read any of the defenses of Pike posts.

Missing the tournament 2 years in a row isn't a failure.

Guys he didn’t fail . He had too many things off the court swirling around him and a terrible season was a good reason to make all those problems go away.

In 5 years!
3 NCAAtournament elite 8 and sweet 16
NIT berth
Big ten champions
NBA players
All American

Off court got him and right fully so

Come on guys. It's all about the situation. He took over a great program and ran it into the ground

Beilien last season 33-7

19-12
23-5
19-15
18-16
8-24

Trend... down down down down down

 

[Knight Shift]

Greg Gard at Wisconsin reaction:

 

[Plum Street]

Come on guys. It's all about the situation. He took over a great program and ran it into the ground

Beilien last season 33-7

19-12
23-5
19-15
18-16
8-24

Trend... down down down down down

Yes . He was fired for on the court more than off the court.
But I think if he didn’t have the off court stuff he would have gotten another season

 

[RUDivision]

Come on guys. It's all about the situation. He took over a great program and ran it into the ground

Beilien last season 33-7

19-12
23-5
19-15
18-16
8-24

Trend... down down down down down

Ewing , Mullin ok Failed!

The team he inherited 3 players went to the NBA and 3 left via the portal. He was 2 points away from the final four.

Howard had a bad season after losing an all American in the portal and two NBA Players. I thing the AD made the right call. NCAA Tournament to NIT to losing record (plus off court issues ). Had to go.

Not a failure IMO.

 

[NickRU714]

Come on guys. It's all about the situation. He took over a great program and ran it into the ground

Beilien last season 33-7

19-12
23-5
19-15
18-16
8-24

Trend... down down down down down

Missing the tournament 2 years in a row isn't a failure. Even the best teams miss the tournament 2 years in a row.
Trending down over the course of 4 years isn't a failure.

At least that's what a bunch of other threadshaver said.

Just trying to apply the same standards across coaches.
Woodson and Howard have been better than us every year of their time at Indiana and Michigan (except UM this year).
People call them huge failures.
But wouldn't we easily switch positions the last 4 years?

 

[fatsam98]

Missing the tournament 2 years in a row isn't a failure. Even the best teams miss the tournament 2 years in a row.
Trending down over the course of 4 years isn't a failure.

At least that's what a bunch of other threadshaver said.

Just trying to apply the same standards across coaches.
Woodson and Howard have been better than us every year of their time at Indiana and Michigan (except UM this year).
People call them huge failures.
But wouldn't we easily switch positions the last 4 years?

100% of Michigan fans wanted Howard gone
100% of Indiana fans want Woodson gone
0% of Rutgers fans want Pike gone

Weird argument you're making

 

[shields]

Did Pike slap someone? howard is a joke.

 

[NickRU714]

100% of Michigan fans wanted Howard gone
100% of Indiana fans want Woodson gone
0% of Rutgers fans want Pike gone

Weird argument you're making

Because fans are always right?
There are fans who want HC Schiano gone. Are they right?
And I didn't mention Michigan or Indiana fans.

Weird is the argument "HC Pike needs to be excused because even elite teams miss the tournament twice. We've been competitive for 5 years. 4 years of downward results doesn't make him a failure. Can't have high expectations next year either because plenty of teams with elite recruits dont go far in the NCAA tournament.
Woodson and Howard? Oh they are complete failures and we would be lucky if they stayed at their schools."

 

[NickRU714]

I’m not saying HC Pike is a failure.
But if HC Woodson and HC Howard are failures, what does that make us?
When they’ve been better (much better in some years) in all years except UM this year.

 

[Loyal_2RU]

Because fans are always right?
There are fans who want HC Schiano gone. Are they right?
And I didn't mention Michigan or Indiana fans.

Weird is the argument "HC Pike needs to be excused because even elite teams miss the tournament twice. We've been competitive for 5 years. 4 years of downward results doesn't make him a failure. Can't have high expectations next year either because plenty of teams with elite recruits dont go far in the NCAA tournament.
Woodson and Howard? Oh they are complete failures and we would be lucky if they stayed at their schools."

Your argument assumes that context and the name on the front of the jersey don't matter.

 

[MADHAT1]

Like what ? All the guys that win resurface

That's why I think Sean Miller of Xavier will be in contention and a damm good hire.
What happened at Arizona is past history now,and he's a proven winner.
But the Musketeers had a losing season this year and that might keep Michigan from considering him among the first to go after.

 

[Plum Street]

That's why I think Sean Miller of Xavier will be in contention and a damm good hire.
What happened at Arizona is past history now,and he's a proven winner.
But the Musketeers had a losing season this year and that might keep Michigan from considering him among the first to go after.

I think miller won’t get any big time offers until he wins again

 

[MADHAT1]

I think miller won’t get any big time offers until he wins again

This year's record makes your statement on target.
If Miller could have followed up Xavier's sweet 16 appearance in 2022-3 with a 20+ win season in 2023-4 and tourney bid , he'd get a look see.
Since he didn't, you'll get no argument from me

 

[Plum Street]

This year's record makes your statement on target.
If Miller could have followed up Xavier's sweet 16 appearance in 2022-3 with a 20+ win season in 2023-4 and tourney bid , he'd get a look see.
Since he didn't, you'll get no argument from me

It would be interesting if capel ever moved on (by promotion or demotion) from Pitt. If they go for knight or Miller

 

[IMARUFAN]

I wonder if 6-10 Sophomore Tarris Reed Jr. (4-star recruit) would be interested in playing with Ace and Harper?

I suspect he and Lathan could team up to do some damage in the paint with defenses having to focus on Ace and Harper.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/5105809/tarris-reed-jr

 

[Nycrusupporter]

Did Pike slap someone? howard is a joke.

He should have slapped someone this year

 

[shields]

Is he in the portal? Reed.