How long does it take to build a program?

[Ewooc]

We hear all this talk about Nebraska is rebuilding a program from the ground up. It got me thinking
#1 what qualifies as a "rebuild" vs just a normal new coach taking over
#2 how long should a rebuild take? 2a: to see progress from previous coaches or history 2b to see championships
#3 are there different levels of rebuilds? or are they all the same? The example that comes to mind is an Iowa St rebuild who had nothing but failure and losing seasons prior to Campbell taking over. Is that rebuilding of a program harder than what Frost is trying to rebuild? Or once a program goes into rebuild mode does everything start at level 0.
#4 going back to #3 and Iowa st example does each program have a different definition of a successful rebuild.

 

[Crazyhole]

I've always thought 4 years for the "rebuild" portion was a reasonable timeframe because that's basically a full recruiting cycle. That doesnt mean the ceiling has been reached yet, but that things have completely been reset.

 

[hedonistimpulse]

We hear all this talk about Nebraska is rebuilding a program from the ground up. It got me thinking
#1 what qualifies as a "rebuild" vs just a normal new coach taking over
#2 how long should a rebuild take? 2a: to see progress from previous coaches or history 2b to see championships
#3 are there different levels of rebuilds? or are they all the same? The example that comes to mind is an Iowa St rebuild who had nothing but failure and losing seasons prior to Campbell taking over. Is that rebuilding of a program harder than what Frost is trying to rebuild? Or once a program goes into rebuild mode does everything start at level 0.
#4 going back to #3 and Iowa st example does each program have a different definition of a successful rebuild.

There are simply too many variables.

That being said...#4

Iowa State went 7-6 in year 4. I would say for certain Nebraska would not call that success. Some fans are already saying 9 wins or bust in year 3 in Lincoln.

 

[Ewooc]

I've always thought 4 years for the "rebuild" portion was a reasonable timeframe because that's basically a full recruiting cycle. That doesnt mean the ceiling has been reached yet, but that things have completely been reset.

I can understand that, year 4 the coach has had enough time to get a whole team, or majority at least, of their recruits. They have had time to develop that talent and implement their scheme. What i have a hard time with in my head is, what should be expected those 4 years. Should we as fans basically expect nothing. 0-12, 4-7, 2-10, 10-2, anything is ok. That nothing really starts to happen consistently until year 5? If there should be expectations how do we go about being realistic and what are fair expectation say year 1, year 2, year 3, year 4. Then once we get past those 4 years, what should be expected? Just getting to a bowl game? Maybe get to 8 or 9 wins? A NC?
To answer a few of my own questions. I think it is impossible to know what a coach can really do until they are given a team of all their recruits. The reason for this is not only does every coach recruit a specific type of talent to fit their schemes they also recruit a certain type of person who fits the culture they want on their team. Now that being said, I still believe that significant progress and growth can and should be shown before that year 4, 5,or 6. Year 5 or 6 things should be rolling at full steam ahead. That should be where a team is competing for and winning a conference championship, should be a top 10 team and should at least be in the discussion for a possible NC.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

Look at the dumpster fire kst was until Bill Snyder got there. Look at his timeline that should give you a good idea how long it will take to build a program up

 

[Ewooc]

Look at the dumpster fire kst was until Bill Snyder got there. Look at his timeline that should give you a good idea how long it will take to build a program up

Right, thats why I asked are there different difficulty levels of a rebuild. It took him 5 years to get them to 9 wins. Yes they were trash for decades. Where Nebraska has been trash for 3 or 4 years. Prior to that they were solid. Does that factor in to how hard a rebuild is and how long it should take to have success? If the answer is yes that the length of time a program is down affects how long it takes then it shouldn't take Frost 5 years to get to 9 wins, right?

 

[Crazyhole]

I can understand that, year 4 the coach has had enough time to get a whole team, or majority at least, of their recruits. They have had time to develop that talent and implement their scheme. What i have a hard time with in my head is, what should be expected those 4 years. Should we as fans basically expect nothing. 0-12, 4-7, 2-10, 10-2, anything is ok. That nothing really starts to happen consistently until year 5? If there should be expectations how do we go about being realistic and what are fair expectation say year 1, year 2, year 3, year 4. Then once we get past those 4 years, what should be expected? Just getting to a bowl game? Maybe get to 8 or 9 wins? A NC?
To answer a few of my own questions. I think it is impossible to know what a coach can really do until they are given a team of all their recruits. The reason for this is not only does every coach recruit a specific type of talent to fit their schemes they also recruit a certain type of person who fits the culture they want on their team. Now that being said, I still believe that significant progress and growth can and should be shown before that year 4, 5,or 6. Year 5 or 6 things should be rolling at full steam ahead. That should be where a team is competing for and winning a conference championship, should be a top 10 team and should at least be in the discussion for a possible NC.

Fair enough but there are a lot of variables that have to be taken into account as well. History/tradition, facilities, changes in scheme, coaching turnover in the interim, etc. I dont include culture because by year 4 it should be flipped if necessary as it was here. Conference/division championships arent totally under any teams control because there are other teams involved. Certainly we wouldn't say that not winning a division is a sign of downturn for a team that typically wins it if a division foe catches fire and wins a national title so it's kind of hard to use that as a metric of success.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Right, thats why I asked are there different difficulty levels of a rebuild. It took him 5 years to get them to 9 wins. Yes they were trash for decades. Where Nebraska has been trash for 3 or 4 years. Prior to that they were solid. Does that factor in to how hard a rebuild is and how long it should take to have success? If the answer is yes that the length of time a program is down affects how long it takes then it shouldn't take Frost 5 years to get to 9 wins, right?

In the decade prior to the Frost hire Nebraska had a win percentage of 65%- with 9 bowl games in 10 years

Pelini — 71%
Riley — 50%

it wasn’t trash - the narrative has become it was trash so a 37.5 win percentage and zero bowl games doesn’t look so bad

regardless .. the first couple of years won't matter if we are on track year 4 and beyond

 

[phoenix4nu]

Look at the dumpster fire kst was until Bill Snyder got there. Look at his timeline that should give you a good idea how long it will take to build a program up

I think there's a difference. KSt couldn't recruit as well as Nebraska.

 

[Bremser_rivals74172]

We hear all this talk about Nebraska is rebuilding a program from the ground up. It got me thinking
#1 what qualifies as a "rebuild" vs just a normal new coach taking over
#2 how long should a rebuild take? 2a: to see progress from previous coaches or history 2b to see championships
#3 are there different levels of rebuilds? or are they all the same? The example that comes to mind is an Iowa St rebuild who had nothing but failure and losing seasons prior to Campbell taking over. Is that rebuilding of a program harder than what Frost is trying to rebuild? Or once a program goes into rebuild mode does everything start at level 0.
#4 going back to #3 and Iowa st example does each program have a different definition of a successful rebuild.

As long as it takes...

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

In the decade prior to the Frost hire Nebraska had a win percentage of 65%- with 9 bowl games in 10 years

Pelini — 71%
Riley — 50%

it wasn’t trash - the narrative has become it was trash so a 37.5 win percentage and zero bowl games doesn’t look so bad

regardless .. the first couple of years won't matter if we are rolling at year 4 and beyond

Very good sir.....

I always find it interesting when our fans compare what Frost inherited to the fixes that were needed at K-State before Snyder, Wisconsin before Alvarez, and Colorado before McCartney....like they were remotely close to being the same.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

Very good sir.....

I always find it interesting when our fans compare what Frost inherited to the fixes that were needed at K-State before Snyder, Wisconsin before Alvarez, and Colorado before McCartney....like they were remotely close to being the same.

what's your explanation for the failure over the last 2 years?

you take a lot of time to ***** and moan at anyone and everyone who shares their opinion, while taking plenty of grief yourself.

why don't you share your thoughts?

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

what's your explanation for the failure over the last 2 years?

you take a lot of time to ***** and moan at anyone and everyone who shares their opinion, while taking plenty of grief yourself.

why don't you share your thoughts?

my personal opinion was that Frost was way too public in his comments about how lazy, out of shape, etc he thought the players he inherited were .... he needed those players to buy in to have a little bit of success ... instead it seemed he went out of his way to alienate them

Also, Success at a midmajor program does not guarantee success at a power 5 level. His entire staff has had very little power 5 experience - it is likely that a few/some or many are not power 5 level coaches. That is assuming that Frost is or can become a high quality power 5 coach himself- all of that has yet to be seen.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

my personal opinion was that Frost was way too public in his comments about how lazy, out of shape, etc he thought the players he inherited were .... he needed those players to buy in to have a little bit of success ... instead it seemed he went out of his way to alienate them

Also, Success at a midmajor program does not guarantee success at a power 5 level. His entire staff has had very little power 5 experience - it is likely that a few/some or many are not power 5 level coaches. That is assuming that Frost is or can become a high quality power 5 coach - all of that has yet to be seen.

I was asking @Nebraska_Reality (for the 6th time).

you actually share your thoughts, which I respect.

it's becoming very clear he's a coward who piles on with nothing constructive to add to the conversation, opting only to ***** at others for sharing their opinions.

plenty of chances, @Nebraska_Reality. you've chosen to ignore every one of them.

curious, to say the least.

 

[phoenix4nu]

my personal opinion was that Frost was way too public in his comments about how lazy, out of shape, etc he thought the players he inherited were .... he needed those players to buy in to have a little bit of success ... instead it seemed he went out of his way to alienate them

Also, Success at a midmajor program does not guarantee success at a power 5 level. His entire staff has had very little power 5 experience - it is likely that a few/some or many are not power 5 level coaches. That is assuming that Frost is or can become a high quality power 5 coach - all of that has yet to be seen.

I agree.

 

[Sinomatic]

If your team is in the top 8 at the end of the year with a bowl win of some kind to cap it off, I would consider that quality success or something to be very proud of.

Anything else largely depends where you started the season to me. As long as you're making progress towards top 8 that's successful in my opinion.

If you started the season at #1 and ended up 8th place I would still consider that a successful season taking into account the landscape of the game itself and that goes for any era in my opinion.

16 team playoffs are not elite in my opinion.

 

[Georgie Soloway]

Less than 21 years, just saying!

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

Less than 21 years, just saying!

I'm not sure you're the authority on such things. It's been 103 years and counting to put together a winner across the river.

 

[hedonistimpulse]

Very good sir.....

I always find it interesting when our fans compare what Frost inherited to the fixes that were needed at K-State before Snyder, Wisconsin before Alvarez, and Colorado before McCartney....like they were remotely close to being the same.

If you don't understand why people point to Alvarez, Snyder, and McCartney (and don't forget the good coach straight east either in Matt Campbell) just look at a map or a globe. They're all schools in border states or one state past that. It's pragmatic to look at how your neighbors fixed their messes.

 

[Ewooc]

As long as it takes...

Ok, but there must come a point where one logically say. This rebuild just isn't going to happen under the current coach.

 

[Ewooc]

my personal opinion was that Frost was way too public in his comments about how lazy, out of shape, etc he thought the players he inherited were .... he needed those players to buy in to have a little bit of success ... instead it seemed he went out of his way to alienate them

Also, Success at a midmajor program does not guarantee success at a power 5 level. His entire staff has had very little power 5 experience - it is likely that a few/some or many are not power 5 level coaches. That is assuming that Frost is or can become a high quality power 5 coach himself- all of that has yet to be seen.

I can agree with this to an extent.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

We hear all this talk about Nebraska is rebuilding a program from the ground up. It got me thinking
#1 what qualifies as a "rebuild" vs just a normal new coach taking over
#2 how long should a rebuild take? 2a: to see progress from previous coaches or history 2b to see championships
#3 are there different levels of rebuilds? or are they all the same? The example that comes to mind is an Iowa St rebuild who had nothing but failure and losing seasons prior to Campbell taking over. Is that rebuilding of a program harder than what Frost is trying to rebuild? Or once a program goes into rebuild mode does everything start at level 0.
#4 going back to #3 and Iowa st example does each program have a different definition of a successful rebuild.

Ok, I've seen fans complain too many guys have left, then others, or even the same fans complain the new guys arent any good, when theyve yet to play.

So, currently, we have like 7 guys recruited by this staff that are starters, we also have 40 freshmen and redshirt freshmen who've yet to play,or have played minimally.
Because we have so many freshmen, alot of older players have left, for various reasons, but fit and a few followed their old coaches etc, and those numbers are very high, so, since we know only 7 are this staffs guys, the majority of guys starting to make up for all that attrition is from MRs recruits.

But, even more important than that, with the attrition, the misses, bad fits due to system changes etc, we are actually using MRs plan B guys in spots, which likely are lower rated than minnys plan A guys.

So, unilt this group of 40 frosh, which almost half are 4 stars start playing, winning starting positions etc, thats how long the first glimpses of where we're going, what we can do.
We should start seeing some of that this year, but is still far from a finished product

 

[BoilerN]

We hear all this talk about Nebraska is rebuilding a program from the ground up. It got me thinking
#1 what qualifies as a "rebuild" vs just a normal new coach taking over
#2 how long should a rebuild take? 2a: to see progress from previous coaches or history 2b to see championships
#3 are there different levels of rebuilds? or are they all the same? The example that comes to mind is an Iowa St rebuild who had nothing but failure and losing seasons prior to Campbell taking over. Is that rebuilding of a program harder than what Frost is trying to rebuild? Or once a program goes into rebuild mode does everything start at level 0.
#4 going back to #3 and Iowa st example does each program have a different definition of a successful rebuild.

I think it depends on the program for all your questions. Take Purdue and Jeff Brohm, that was always a 5 year rebuild and I'd argue the rebuild is ahead of schedule through 3 years.

I can't speak super accurate on Nebraska, but from what I have read and heard, I'd guess they take a step forward sometime this season. Might not be for game 1, but they are going in the right direction.

 

[phoenix4nu]

I think it depends on the program for all your questions. Take Purdue and Jeff Brohm, that was always a 5 year rebuild and I'd argue the rebuild is ahead of schedule through 3 years.

I can't speak super accurate on Nebraska, but from what I have read and heard, I'd guess they take a step forward sometime this season. Might not be for game 1, but they are going in the right direction.

Of course not for game 1 against the mighty Boilermakers.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

When a Nebraska 4 star leaves, gets injured, no shows, is simply a miss, over time, our depth has disapated to the point our plan B guys are starters, equal to most Big teams starters, or possibly less.

This has been overlooked, it's being done in this thread.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

I was asking @Nebraska_Reality (for the 6th time).

you actually share your thoughts, which I respect.

it's becoming very clear he's a coward who piles on with nothing constructive to add to the conversation, opting only to ***** at others for sharing their opinions.

plenty of chances, @Nebraska_Reality. you've chosen to ignore every one of them.

curious, to say the least.

I'm not going to scroll back and re-read everything...so feel free to ask me your question again, and I'll do my best to answer it.

BTW--I do other things besides hang out on this forum, so you'll have to forgive me.

 

[BoilerN]

Of course not for game 1 against the mighty Boilermakers.

I mean, I wasn't really thinking that at all. I think that week 1 game will be a really fun game to watch. I couldn't tell you who will win/be the better team tbh. A lot is going to depend on the Purdue OL and LB'ers. Biggest question marks for Purdue. I don't think the OL will be a huge issue though.

 

[Captain Nick]

As long as it takes...

What he said. When you spend 20 years driving a program into the ground don't be surprised if it takes just as long to build it back up. One thing is for sure, bringing in a new coach and regime every 3 or 4 years isn't a solution. Frost deserves a longer leash and ample time to build this thing right.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

What he said. When you spend 20 years driving a program into the ground don't be surprised if it takes just as long to build it back up. One thing is for sure, bringing in a new coach and regime every 3 or 4 years isn't a solution. Frost deserves a longer leash and ample time to build this thing right.

Not sure I agree..... Why does Frost deserve a longer leash because previous coaching changes didn't prove to be successful? If he isn't successful in year 4 or year 5, will giving him year 6 really be the difference?

Are you basing your thoughts on just hope that the longer Frost is around the greater the chance he improves his results??

Just curious

 

[Captain Nick]

Not sure I agree..... Why does Frost deserve a longer leash because previous coaching changes didn't prove to be successful? If he isn't successful in year 4 or year 5, will giving him year 6 really be the difference?

Are you basing your thoughts on just hope that the longer Frost is around the greater the chance he improves his results??

Just curious

All you have to do is look at the basketball program to see how well constant regime changes work, hoping that maybe this THIS time we've struck gold only to start the rebuild a few years later again.

The 3-4 year time frame to "turn it around" is completely arbitrary. What if it takes 8 years or longer to get us to the point where we're a consistent top ten team? I'd take that over continuing to roll the dice every 3-4 years in perpetuity. Sport's fans seem to have a tendency to always think the grass is always greener on the other side. It's often not.

The reason I think SF deserves a longer leash is because I believe he is the best guy for this job. You can take that for what it's worth. I don't think we need to worry about him leaving for another job if he has success. And most of all, I think people are underestimating the damage caused to the program under previous coaching staffs. Riley's recruiting classes are almost nonexistent at this point. The nucleus of this team are freshmen and sophomores. Does anybody realize how absurd that is?

Now, if SF went 0-12 next year and the entire team mutinied I'd probably have to reassess my opinion. But until that happens, I'm ready to ride this out with this staff.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

All you have to do is look at the basketball program to see how well constant regime changes work, hoping that maybe this THIS time we've struck gold only to start the rebuild a few years later again.

The 3-4 year time frame to "turn it around" is completely arbitrary. What if it takes 8 years or longer to get us to the point where we're a consistent top ten team? I'd take that over continuing to roll the dice every 3-4 years in perpetuity. Sport's fans seem to have a tendency to always think the grass is always greener on the other side. It's often not.

The reason I think SF deserves a longer leash is because I believe he is the best guy for this job. You can take that for what it's worth. I don't think we need to worry about him leaving for another job if he has success. And most of all, I think people are underestimating the damage caused to the program under previous coaching staffs. Riley's recruiting classes are almost nonexistent at this point. The nucleus of this team are freshmen and sophomores. Does anybody realize how absurd that is?

Now, if SF went 0-12 next year and the entire team mutinied I'd probably have to reassess my opinion. But until that happens, I'm ready to ride this out with this staff.

"Best guy for the job" is simply an opinion. So far what it is worth is 4-5 wins per year.

At this point, I am not worried about him leaving for another job. He is a sub .500 career coach. EDIT - 28-22 record, 3 losing seasons in 4 years as a head coach.

Recruiting classes of previous coaches are irrelevant. Many of the players didn't fit into the scheme and were forced out.

You can't have it both ways.....you can't blame a previous coach, who ran a different system, for players leaving the program, then be pissed because there aren't enough upperclassmen around. Of course Riley's classes are nonexistent. They were run off by Frost. We are entering year 3 of the Frost regime. If he recruited better players and players that fit his schemes, they should be starting over the "leftovers" from previous staffs. They are not.

You are basing your entire opinion on HOPE.


P.S. What are you talking about with the basketball program? The average reign of a Nebraska basketball coach, since Nee, has been 5+ years. There have been 9 winning seasons and 1 NCAA berth in those 20 seasons. Coaches were provided plenty of time, they were just simply not good head coaches.

But by all means, continue to base your opinion on hope. Or continue to blame the lack of success of the football and basketball program on the previous coaches.

 

[Captain Nick]

"Best guy for the job" is simply an opinion. So far what it is worth is 4-5 wins per year.

At this point, I am not worried about him leaving for another job. He is a sub .500 career coach. EDIT - 28-22 record, 3 losing seasons in 4 years as a head coach.

Recruiting classes of previous coaches are irrelevant. Many of the players didn't fit into the scheme and were forced out.

You can't have it both ways.....you can't blame a previous coach, who ran a different system, for players leaving the program, then be pissed because there aren't enough upperclassmen around. Of course Riley's classes are nonexistent. They were run off by Frost. We are entering year 3 of the Frost regime. If he recruited better players and players that fit his schemes, they should be starting over the "leftovers" from previous staffs. They are not.

You are basing your entire opinion on HOPE.


P.S. What are you talking about with the basketball program? The average reign of a Nebraska basketball coach, since Nee, has been 5+ years. There have been 9 winning seasons and 1 NCAA berth in those 20 seasons. Coaches were provided plenty of time, they were just simply not good head coaches.

But by all means, continue to base your opinion on hope. Or continue to blame the lack of success of the football and basketball program on the previous coaches.

Umm...ok.

First of all, yes it's 100% my opinion. I never said it wasn't. Also, you seem to be insuating alot of stuff I never said. My point is this mentality some people seem to have of tear down/rebuild/tear down/rebuild/tear down/rebuild just because we don't get instant gratification and hoping that one of these times we're gunna hit the lottery is a **** cycle hasn't gotten us jack squat. Also, the situation a person walks into is very much relevant. No coach since maybe Devany has had to start out with such a depleted roster. SF has undertaken the biggest rebuild maybe in program history. I believe in SF's message and the culture he is trying to create. And in my opinion, it would be a huge mistake to not give him ample time and support. I don't know what about my opinion is so offensive to you but hey, maybe the sixth time's the charm.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

Umm...ok.

First of all, yes it's 100% my opinion. I never said it wasn't. Also, you seem to be insuating alot of stuff I never said. My point is this mentality some people seem to have of tear down/rebuild/tear down/rebuild/tear down/rebuild just because we don't get instant gratification and hoping that one of these times we're gunna hit the lottery is a **** cycle hasn't gotten us jack squat. Also, the situation a person walks into is very much relevant. No coach since maybe Devany has had to start out with such a depleted roster. SF has undertaken the biggest rebuild maybe in program history. I believe in SF's message and the culture he is trying to create. And in my opinion, it would be a huge mistake to not give him ample time and support. I don't know what about my opinion is so offensive to you but hey, maybe the sixth time's the charm.

But you did kind of explicitly say that we're all underestimating the damage done to the program by the previous coaches.

The only damage Pelini did was to his own reputation. Besides that, he won 9-10 games every year, and won right away with someone else's players. Not sure how 9-10 wins a season was "damaging" a program.

If Nebraska is the blue blood we all want to think it is, and Frost is such a better coach than Riley, then 2 crappy seasons (i.e. under .500) doesn't begat 2 more (and possibly a third this year).

If Frost's guys are so much better than what remained of Riley's guys, then he should have been playing them right away. By not doing so, he set them behind even further. Players don't get better by standing around on the sideline (at least they don't improve as much).

I don't want to say your opinion is "offensive", but I think that paying someone so much to learn to be a P5 coach is a little much. And, let's be honest...Frost is getting so long because he is an alum. No other reason....and if Nebraska can only succeed with "Nebraska Guys", then the program isn't worth a darn. Dabo isn't a "Clemsom Guy". Saban isn't a "Bama Guy".

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Umm...ok.

First of all, yes it's 100% my opinion. I never said it wasn't. Also, you seem to be insuating alot of stuff I never said. My point is this mentality some people seem to have of tear down/rebuild/tear down/rebuild/tear down/rebuild just because we don't get instant gratification and hoping that one of these times we're gunna hit the lottery is a **** cycle hasn't gotten us jack squat. Also, the situation a person walks into is very much relevant. No coach since maybe Devany has had to start out with such a depleted roster. SF has undertaken the biggest rebuild maybe in program history. I believe in SF's message and the culture he is trying to create. And in my opinion, it would be a huge mistake to not give him ample time and support. I don't know what about my opinion is so offensive to you but hey, maybe the sixth time's the charm.

The more this happens, the more four stars we lose.
One way is, those who might have signed wont with a shaky coaching situation, or run during firing and go elsewheres, or, dont like the new staff, or, dont fit, or, the new staff doesnt have time to truly vet those four stars and theres a reason why they're still available late, often when a new staff is scrambling to fill their class.
Now, when those guys leave, for whatever reasons, their replacements are guys rated lower than purdues, minnys, you name it, Big Ten team, as our second tier is often lower than those teams top tier.

Let this happen three times in four years, you have far fewer four stars starting than we should, closer to minny, even with wiscy, but also, our second tier guys are starting in those attrition spots, and its showing.

 

[Husker4real_rivals373787]

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[jlb321_rivals110621]

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[Headcard]

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There is no way to say such a thing in a vacuum. It took McCartney 8 seasons to win the Big 8 at Colorado, only took Saban two years at Alabama. All situations are different.

 

[Captain Nick]

But you did kind of explicitly say that we're all underestimating the damage done to the program by the previous coaches.

The only damage Pelini did was to his own reputation. Besides that, he won 9-10 games every year, and won right away with someone else's players. Not sure how 9-10 wins a season was "damaging" a program.

If Nebraska is the blue blood we all want to think it is, and Frost is such a better coach than Riley, then 2 crappy seasons (i.e. under .500) doesn't begat 2 more (and possibly a third this year).

If Frost's guys are so much better than what remained of Riley's guys, then he should have been playing them right away. By not doing so, he set them behind even further. Players don't get better by standing around on the sideline (at least they don't improve as much).

I don't want to say your opinion is "offensive", but I think that paying someone so much to learn to be a P5 coach is a little much. And, let's be honest...Frost is getting so long because he is an alum. No other reason....and if Nebraska can only succeed with "Nebraska Guys", then the program isn't worth a darn. Dabo isn't a "Clemsom Guy". Saban isn't a "Bama Guy".

Well, I'm sorry you find it offensive that I don't think we should fire our coach. I guess there's nothing I can do about that.

 

[RedMyMind]

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

I'm not going to scroll back and re-read everything...so feel free to ask me your question again, and I'll do my best to answer it.

BTW--I do other things besides hang out on this forum, so you'll have to forgive me.

what's your explanation for the disappointment over the last 2 years?