How is the cycle reversed?

[Ewooc]

As we all know Nebraska has been in this vicious cycle of finding ways to lose games late. This cycle has been going pretty heavily for the last 4 years or so maybe longer. It just seems to be more common as of late. Since it started before Frost, I have to assume this is something left over from Riley and his players. A Mentality issue still?
I know Frost has mentioned he wants to eventually be able to have the upperclassmen teaching and guiding the underclassmen with how to do things the right way. Which is great, I think that is why Iowa has found the little success they have been able to get. A coach builds a program and everyone is on the same page from Freshmen to 5th year seniors to coaches.
So my question is how do we break this mentality/cycle of collapsing late in games. If indeed the younger guys are learning from the old guys. If the upperclassmen still have that type of mentality (I don't know if they even realize it) which is now being passed down to the underclassmen. Who will in turn pass it down when they are upperclassmen, how do we get out of it?

 

[9and4_rivals188421]

 

[Ewooc]

If only it were that easy. lol

 

[F5Tornado]

Turnovers and penalties for one, better coaching in chaotic 2nd halves would be two.

 

[TruHusker]

Some of it is experience and most of it is coaching. There are the same lingering problems for the last two years - O line looks confused and does not sustain anything. D tackling was good at times but fell apart a key moments.

I was thinking as I watched the game last night how this brought back memories of BYU, Illinois and others that we found a way to lose. Riley was emasculated over those losses, but yet they continue this year. With the roster turn over, I don't think it is logical to blame the past. But this team finds a way to shoot themselves - fumbles, INT, penalties, confusion on who to block, blown coverages. There is no excuse for the D call on that 96 yard flee flicker. Bringing the safety from so far back was dumb. We need much better coaching and disciplined players.

 

[HominidHusker]

I’m all in with Frost. And while there’s plenty of blame on individual players that contributes to the tough losses, it feels like the coaching is ultimately responsible. I think this team still has potential (although less than I thought now that kool aid hangover is kicking in)... it’s just a matter of when they’ll make the jump. And that depends a. lot on Frost.

 

[huskerssalts]

As we all know Nebraska has been in this vicious cycle of finding ways to lose games late. This cycle has been going pretty heavily for the last 4 years or so maybe longer. It just seems to be more common as of late. Since it started before Frost, I have to assume this is something left over from Riley and his players. A Mentality issue still?
I know Frost has mentioned he wants to eventually be able to have the upperclassmen teaching and guiding the underclassmen with how to do things the right way. Which is great, I think that is why Iowa has found the little success they have been able to get. A coach builds a program and everyone is on the same page from Freshmen to 5th year seniors to coaches.
So my question is how do we break this mentality/cycle of collapsing late in games. If indeed the younger guys are learning from the old guys. If the upperclassmen still have that type of mentality (I don't know if they even realize it) which is now being passed down to the underclassmen. Who will in turn pass it down when they are upperclassmen, how do we get out of it?

It’s more common as of late because we have such a young team lead by a young Coaching Staff. Everyone is learning still and we all need to have patience. We have the talent, we also have great coaching staff, with experience will come better game play. We return every offensive starting player back next year (minus K Noa and losing him, so far from what we all have seen, that won’t make a difference). This year we will progress over the year and we will see highs and lows. Like the Colorado game. We owned Colorado for 3 and a half quarters and then got caught putting it on cruise control (on the defensive side of the ball), and once our players realized Colorado had enough time to come back and make a game of it, it was to late. So a HARD lesson learned (Or at least I hope so). We can still go 8-4 with 9-3 possible. But we may not win the West this year. As of now, that looks like it belongs to Wisconsin. There isn’t a West team out there that looks to be even close to the Badgers game play this year.

 

[mgbreeze]

I'm not sure what the answer to the question is, but I don't think there's a simple solution. It's just more work, more experience, better chemistry, more confidence, better conditioning, better coaching.... eventually we will win these games. I'm done making win/loss predictions. We might lose to NIU this week and beat OSU in two weeks. It's going to be that kind of season.

 

[huskerssalts]

I'm not sure what the answer to the question is, but I don't think there's a simple solution. It's just more work, more experience, better chemistry, more confidence, better conditioning, better coaching.... eventually we will win these games. I'm done making win/loss predictions. We might lose to NIU this week and beat OSU in two weeks. It's going to be that kind of season.

That’s dead on with my point. With how young our team is and a young coaching staff...we will see huge ups and downs. It happens with young teams and staffs like ours.

 

[GeorgeFlippin]

Repetition is the mother of skill development and team cohesiveness. Although I know they run a lot of plays in practice, I truly believe the team needs even more, as much as they can cram in during the week.

That sounds easy on my part I know, but Sabin down in Bamaville has his 100+ play scrimmages when they play less than impressive the weekend before, and on Thursday’s no less!

Then again, maybe Frost & Co. do that already.

 

[SmallTownFootball]

We don’t have the depth yet to have 110 play scrimmages. We’d be dead and out of gas by week 12. Bobo at Colorado State is a classic example of that SEC mentality practicing like he’s still st Georgia. Same thing going on at CU with Tucker. Watch the Buffs fade late. Beat the crap out of each other all season and then the late season fade.

 

[Dadmaster]

I have seen a couple mentions of this "young coaching staff"....I guess I didn't realize that this was such an in-experienced staff with learn-as-you go positions......

Unless I am wrong....this isn't the first coaching job for any of these guys. If inexperience is an issue then HCSF needs to bring in some experienced coaches.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

As we all know Nebraska has been in this vicious cycle of finding ways to lose games late. This cycle has been going pretty heavily for the last 4 years or so maybe longer. It just seems to be more common as of late. Since it started before Frost, I have to assume this is something left over from Riley and his players. A Mentality issue still?
I know Frost has mentioned he wants to eventually be able to have the upperclassmen teaching and guiding the underclassmen with how to do things the right way. Which is great, I think that is why Iowa has found the little success they have been able to get. A coach builds a program and everyone is on the same page from Freshmen to 5th year seniors to coaches.
So my question is how do we break this mentality/cycle of collapsing late in games. If indeed the younger guys are learning from the old guys. If the upperclassmen still have that type of mentality (I don't know if they even realize it) which is now being passed down to the underclassmen. Who will in turn pass it down when they are upperclassmen, how do we get out of it?

1998=3-3 in one score games NEW COACH
1999=3-1
2000=2-1
2001=0-0
2002=0-3
2003=2-0
2004=1-3
2005=3-2
2006=2-3
2007= 1-1
2008= 1-2 NEW COACH
2009= 2-3
2010= 1-3
2011= 2-1
2012= 4-1
2013 =5-0
2014= 2-3
2015= 3-7 NEW COACH
2016= 3-1
2017= 2-3
2018= 1-5 NEW COACH
2019= 0-1
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I've said this a billion times. One score games are a toss up. Literally a coin flip. If a single holding call or PI or blown assignment can cost you a game then it is no longer skill based. I only went back to 1998 and we are right around 45% win rate in 1 score games. It seems there is a component of inefficiency to having a new coach where there are games that shouldn't be close but are.... It is important though to keep in mind that we are historically bad against good teams. With a 15% win rate against teams in the top 25 since 2005. We tend to have close games against mid-level teams and get wrecked by top level teams over the last decade. So the data points out that we are a mid-level...35-50 type of team over the last decade. In the last 7 years we a 21-22 so a toss up...and if you take out the Frost era it is a perfect 50% since 1998. So...hope springs eternal that when our team get put together with some depth we will run the table and go 5-0 in close games and run the table and win the championship. The goal isn't to "find a way to win" but to not be in close games against inferior opponents and to let the coin flip against teams like OSU...This is a weird concept for the "heart wins championships" type of guys but the 90s teams were dominant because they almost never had a close game...and when they did they sometimes lost...93 FSU ring a bell?

 

[oldjar07]

All on Frost imo. Time to stop blaming the previous coaching staff. A lot of these games should have never gotten close in the first place. And I agree with what another poster said, if a game is close anything can happen, it's pretty much a coin flip on which team will win.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

2018= 1-5 NEW COACH
2019= 0-1
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I've said this a billion times. One score games are a toss up. Literally a coin flip. I

1-6 . The odds of losing 6 of 7 in “coin flip” games is 6%.

So we are somehow taking games that we have a 50% chance of winning - “a toss up or coin flip” by your account - and managing to greatly defy the odds.





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[Ewooc]

1-6 . The odds of losing 6 of 7 in a “coin flip” game is 6%.

So we are somehow taking games that we have a 50% chance of winning - “a toss up or coin flip” by your account - and managing to greatly defy the odds.





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Yep, That say it is something the coaches or the player or both are doing during these close games that are causing them to roll the other way more frequently then normal. Maybe it is a tendency of play calling from Frost or Chin when games are close? Maybe the players tense up and get overly rattled?

 

[TruHusker]

That’s dead on with my point. With how young our team is and a young coaching staff...we will see huge ups and downs. It happens with young teams and staffs like ours.

So now the excuse is our coaching staff is young? But wait, Frost and his staff have been lauded left and right, but now they are just too young. Maybe not as much experience in the P5 level but young? Really?

 

[bigboxes]

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

 

[miwillia75]

When taking over UCF and bringing in Chins for DC, it was explained the defensive style would be aggressive. He didn't mind giving up an explosive play on D because the plan was to have an offense that would score regularly. They never ever wanted the opposing team to have long time consuming drives on offense. And they knew the aggresive D would get big plays (turnovers and defensive TDs). It was exciting but stressful.

 

[Sinomatic]

Winning marquee games. Winning games you're favored in. Winning games you're not favored in. Winning bowl games.

 

[Dadmaster]

So now the excuse is our coaching staff is young? But wait, Frost and his staff have been lauded left and right, but now they are just too young. Maybe not as much experience in the P5 level but young? Really?

I asked the same question on a different thread (I think....) Someone kept posting that one of the reasons for such the less than stellar performance by the team is because the coaches are young. This is Frosts' fourth year as a head coach and I don't think this was any of the other coaches first coaching job.

I am amazed at the fans that seem to be okay with the idea that this is a "learn-as-you-go" coaching job. We are paying these coaches $10 mill per year (includes HCSF) ...assistant pool is $5 mill. That is NOT entry level.

 

[skintight]

where is the O-Line recruiting?

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

where is the O-Line recruiting?

We have some good OLine recruits.

The issues in my opinion are in communication. And the next Dave Rimington doesn’t have the experience to see and communicate the necessary line calls right now.

Coaches will never blame losses on inexperience. If experience is the difference, I’m sure there are older players sitting on the 3rd string that could play for the young players. Is that going to be the difference, nope. You have to play the best players you have.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

can the adrian martinez era end already? or do we have to put up with this crap for another 2 seasons after this one.. sigh