Cool. I figured you had some experience. Just to good of an educated answer not to.
How do they miss double dribble
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I can get this to an extent. But if you have ever worked a high level, tournament game---I have---then you would know/understand the moment of the game, the anticipation of what is coming, not wanting to miss it, that it can cause a simple, basic violation get missed. Its easy for people to sit back, in their living rooms, see this play in slow motion, on a 80" HD TV and "make the call". Even easier to say---"Man, how do you miss that". What they don't understand, is the difficulty in calling a game like this, in front of 40 thousand people, in live action, at a high speed.
Sure its a basic, easy violation. But I've been there; Not the FF of course. But I have been in situations such as this. You are focused on what you know is going to happen. You know AU is fouling. I cannot speak for this game, but in the situations I have been in, the coaches will relay to us---"We are going to foul". So you are focused on getting that call. And then BANG---**** blows up, catches you off balance. You see it---but by the time you process it, play is over.
THings can blow up quick. You should know this. And when they do, sometimes the easy **** gets missed.
Another great point/post. I don't think---MOF, I know, that the average fan...Hell, the above average fan, doesn't realize how fast the game is, and how quickly **** can suddenly happen. Even more so when you as an official are expecting something....you know its coming, and then BANG----that happens. It catches you off guard. You see it. But by the time you process it, its too late---Play is over.
Believe me, I've missed my share of easy ones as well....sometimes stuff happens so fast you don't process it fast enough. Sometimes you get surprised by a play..ie a double dribble at the final four level. Unlike many on this board, I thought these guys had a good overall game....but as always, if you miss one at the end of a close game, that's what people remember. I just would have hoped at the final four level, one of those officials would have come up with the illegal dribble. As a side note, Sirmons was the Trail on the final shot and he came up with nothing...other than the 3 point signal. The Lead peeked at the play and came up with the foul, which was correct of course....it was so close to his area and clearly was the last shot so no need to be looking at post play rebounding.
I was surprised the center official didn't get it, TBH. We always teach that a good night on the floor, is often dictated by being strong at the center position. He had a good look. And had no primary coverage, other than giving help to the trail. As the center in this scenario, you don't have to worry about a foul, in your PCA, b/c the ball is opposite of you. Any type of foul, is intentional. So your main focus should be shadowing the ball, for the trail. With an eye on your area. Just thought that call was more of a center coming over, with a good strong whistle, and getting that DD. IMO, it was a situation where all three officials, could give an eye, to one certain area. It was clear where the action was coming to. Just one of those rare instances where really, all three officials are basically officiating the same area.
I too thought the game called really well. Good flow. Got what was needed. But as you said----missing that call, at the FF, and at the end----kills however good of a game you had. As I have told other, younger officials---"You can call a great game for 19 minutes and 55 seconds. But screw up those last 5 seconds---And it becomes irrelevant."
Had an Auburn buddy who was watching the game with some friends. Told me---"Man we saw that DD as soon as it happened". I let him believe him.
Personally, I think the refs seen it, but decided to hold their whistle in the closing seconds. And that's fine, but do the same for the foul on the 3 point shot.
So they didn’t call the jersey foul because they wanted the foul to be in the act of shooting!
Disagree. I think they saw it---Agree with that. I just think it was one of those--"WTF---Did that just happen plays". That just blows up on you. By the time you process it, the play has moved on, and now there's a foul. Those types of plays happen so fast, that man----it only takes a blink, and you miss it.
Which explains why Jerome went to the free throw line-.......
Wait------He didn't.
The foul on Guy was a foul. Easy call. When a defender goes from one spot on the floor, to another, and makes contact as he did, with an airborne shooter----its a foul.
So much this. To many teams try to finesse a win. Instead of just playing the damn game. Had Auburn just played it straight up, they win the game.
Probably. Yet using your fouls mucks things up and is a benefit for not fouling up to that point. You cant defeat destiny.
Yes, but they are supposed to be the best officials in these games. If any of them is on the crew tomorrow, that's pathetic. That call was also missed in our game vs Wofford too. I guess college refs need to bone up on the double dribble rule.
That call in the Wofford game was much, much tougher. Herro's foot was right in the path of the ball. I can get missing that call, more so than missing this one.
Missing that call had noting to do with not knwoing the DD rule.
People expect these guys to be perfect from the opening tip, and then expect them to get better. When I started calling CBB, that was the one thing that was harped on: "can you work in a profession where 15/20 thousand people expect perfection"?
Officiating CBB is very difficult. Calls are going to get missed. THing is, had this play happened with 18 minutes to go in the 1st half, not a word would be said.
The call in the Wofford game wasn't that hard. The ball never really came near Herro. And again, these are supposed to be the best refs. This was not a close call. As clear as it gets. Of course they are not going to be perfect, but we should be able to expect calls like that to be made.
Well, before the double-dribble, the UVA player was grabbed before the infraction. The AU player grabbed purposely before the double-dribble and the ref didn't call it and then the ref called the second grab.
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