Hot take....

[Msubulldogfan1]

This is 100% not true.

Even in a year where we are playing only SEC games, 247’s talent index says that we are more talented than half of the teams on our schedule. In a normal year, you take out two of those games and replace them with four non SEC games (five if you count the bowl) where we usually have more talent. Last year, we were the more talented team in 8 of our 13 games.

If you had said 60% of our SECW games, that would be true. However, only half ouf our schedule is SECW games. This notion that we are grossly outmatched every time we step on the field is simply not true. There is no way that 60% minimum of all the opponents on our schedule are always more talented than us.

I should have clarified, but I was implying SEC teams. Obviously 3 of the 4 non conference games we will have more talent, if not all 4. I don’t have a notion we are grossly outmatched every time we step on the field, we are a composite top 25-30 recruiter right now.

Of the 14, auburn, Alabama, lsu, tamu, florida, Georgia, and Tennessee are always going to have more talent. You could jumble state, Arkansas, kentucky. USCe has more talent on paper right now.

Should have been more clear, 60% of the SEC is going to have more talent than MIssissippi State.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

The level of talent on our defense will become a hot topic in the coming months, and this recruiting class isn’t going to make people feel much better.

I’ll happily be wrong.

So a typical Leach football team...

 

[Go Budaw]

First off, Murphy was a 91 by 247, if you, as a state fan, want to tout the lower rating, go right ahead. Brule was a 4*, I reckon he got the State bump.

I use the 247 composite rankings because they are the most objective. And both guys are 3* by that metric, whatever that ends up meaning for their overall outlook. If you say a guy was a 4* because he was rated as such by either of the services, then you are greatly increasing the overall number of 4* players and thus diluting the value of landing 4* talent in the first place. As far as me being a State fan, yeah I want us to have as much legit 4* talent and 5* as we can, but I’m still call a spade a spade and not live in GenesPage fantasy land. Feel free to live that way if you wish.

My point was we have talent, star ratings do matter, the data is extremely clear on that. 60%, minimum, of the teams we face will always have more talent than us.

60%? Try 33%-50%, depending on our East opponents and annual Power 5 game.

We don’t have the super stars of 2018 2009-2019and we might not ever have that level of talent ever again. So if you want to use that squad as the measuring stick, your outlook will be grim for any future state defense.

Fixed it for you. Forgive me that I expect us to have a few elite talents on defense because we’ve only had such players every year for a damn decade, if not longer.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I use the 247 composite rankings because they are the most objective. And both guys are 3* by that metric, whatever that ends up meaning for their overall outlook. If you say a guy was a 4* because he was rated as such by either of the services, then you are greatly increasing the overall number of 4* players and thus diluting the value of landing 4* talent in the first place. As far as me being a State fan, yeah I want us to have as much legit 4* talent and 5* as we can, but I’m still call a spade a spade and not live in GenesPage fantasy land. Feel free to live that way if you wish.




60%? Try 33%-50%, depending on our East opponents and annual Power 5 game.



Fixed it for you. Forgive me that I expect us to have a few elite talents on defense because we’ve only had such players every year for a damn decade, if not longer.

1.) I trust 247. That’s what ratings I rely on, for obvious reasons. You can use whomever you want.

2.) see previous post. Regarding SEC teams only, 8 teams have more talent on paper, 4 teams have less.

3.). You’re assuming we have no elite guys. There’s a big difference in lack of experience and lack of talent. That’s what my whole point was. We have talent. You can argue that all you want, but the data says we do. Maybe Go Budaw knows better than the experts, I don’t know.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

We seem to be recruiting like Dan Mullen teams. If we build teams like that but have an offense that can actually pass the ball, I think we'll be fine.

We had a ceiling under Mullen because we weren't able to pass the ball. Not sure what Leach's ceiling is, but he had Texas Tech upset a #1 team and be ranked in the top 5 and he had WSU in the top 5 at one point too.

I'm fine with that.

 

[Go Budaw]

1.) I trust 247. That’s what ratings I rely on, for obvious reasons. You can use whomever you want.

That’s interesting because 247 doesn’t even exclusively trust their own rankings, which is why the default ranking they list on each player’s profile is their composite rank.

2.) see previous post. Regarding SEC teams only, 8 teams have more talent on paper, 4 teams have less.

3.). You’re assuming we have no elite guys. There’s a big difference in lack of experience and lack of talent. That’s what my whole point was. We have talent. You can argue that all you want, but the data says we do. Maybe Go Budaw knows better than the experts, I don’t know.

What experts say we have elite talent on defense? What guys are going to be first or second day NFL draft picks in any upcoming draft? Name one guy.

And your previous post about Tennessee being a team that’s “always going to have more talent than us” should pretty much disqualify you from any further discussion on the topic. Tennessee hasn’t had more talent than us since the Croom / Fulmer years.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

That’s interesting because 247 doesn’t even exclusively trust their own rankings, which is why the default ranking they list on each player’s profile is their composite rank.



What experts say we have elite talent on defense? What guys are going to be first or second day NFL draft picks in any upcoming draft? Name one guy.

And your previous post about Tennessee being a team that’s “always going to have more talent than us” should pretty much disqualify you from any further discussion on the topic. Tennessee hasn’t had more talent than us since the Croom / Fulmer years.

You’re ignorant as hell if you think we’ve recruited on the level of Tennessee. Jesus. We’ve developed and identified underrated talent more than them, but get a grip. You really want to see side by side rankings between us and them? And please don’t give me sTaRs DoNt MaTtEr BS.

I’m not saying we have elite talent. I’m saying we have talent, and some of those guys may end up being elite but don’t have the experience yet. We have future NFL guys on defense. If you want to keep arguing about lack of talent, go find a brick wall.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

“247 doesn’t even exclusively trust their own rankings“

Read that out loud and try to comprehend how dumb that sounds

 

[Go Budaw]

You’re ignorant as hell if you think we’ve recruited on the level of Tennessee. Jesus. We’ve developed and identified underrated talent more than them, but get a grip. You really want to see side by side rankings between us and them? And please don’t give me sTaRs DoNt MaTtEr BS.

I’m not saying we have elite talent. I’m saying we have talent, and some of those guys may end up being elite but don’t have the experience yet. We have future NFL guys on defense. If you want to keep arguing about lack of talent, go find a brick wall.

Current NFL Players from Tennessee = 25

Included in that list are Jason Witten, who’s been in the league since Sherrill was our coach, and 3 punters.

Current NFL players from MSU = 25

For posterity, included in that list are a punter and a long snapper. And it pretty much entirely consists of guys from the past 10 years.

So, we have actually more position player talent in the NFL than Tennessee right now, based exclusively on the direction both programs have trended over the past 10-12 years. But please, tell me more about their ridiculous star rankings...

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Current NFL Players from Tennessee = 25

Included in that list are Jason Witten, who’s been in the league since Sherrill was our coach, and 3 punters.

Current NFL players from MSU = 25

For posterity, included in that list are a punter and a long snapper. And it pretty much entirely consists of guys from the past 10 years.

So, we have actually more position player talent in the NFL than Tennessee right now. But please, tell me more about their ridiculous star rankings...

You really want me to post the evidence how recruiting rankings is directly related to a programs success?

You know what programs get the highest rated players?

It’s actually bewildering you are taking that position.

 

[Go Budaw]

“247 doesn’t even exclusively trust their own rankings“

Read that out loud and try to comprehend how dumb that sounds

Take it up with them, then.

Please follow the link for this player’s ACTUAL RECRUITING PROFILE ON 247, and tell me what his star ranking is and what ranking method is used.

https://247sports.com/player/aaron-brule-86421/

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Take it up with them, then.

Please follow the link for this player’s ACTUAL RECRUITING PROFILE ON 247, and tell me what his star ranking is and what ranking method is used.

https://247sports.com/player/aaron-brule-86421/

I’ve already acknowledged I was wrong on his final ranking budreaux.

 

[Rayburn8]

I use the 247 composite rankings because they are the most objective. And both guys are 3* by that metric, whatever that ends up meaning for their overall outlook. If you say a guy was a 4* because he was rated as such by either of the services, then you are greatly increasing the overall number of 4* players and thus diluting the value of landing 4* talent in the first place. As far as me being a State fan, yeah I want us to have as much legit 4* talent and 5* as we can, but I’m still call a spade a spade and not live in GenesPage fantasy land. Feel free to live that way if you wish.




60%? Try 33%-50%, depending on our East opponents and annual Power 5 game.



Fixed it for you. Forgive me that I expect us to have a few elite talents on defense because we’ve only had such players every year for a damn decade, if not longer.

Just because composite uses everybody does not make it objective. Composite is worse to me than 24/7 base because if includes ESPN, which will not scout Mississippi whatsoever and is widely considered a laughing stock for ratings. Then also considers Rivals, who rates exclusively based off how they do at Rivals camps. So if a kid doesn’t go to a Rivals camp they’ll get knocked.

24/7 is the only one that takes all camps into consideration with their film. And will actually scout players at live games. Scout used to be good too but they are part of 24/7 now.

 

[Go Budaw]

You really want me to post the evidence how recruiting rankings is directly related to a programs success?

You know what programs get the highest rated players?

It’s actually bewildering you are taking that position.

I’m taking the position that Tennessee has in no way, shape, or form had more talent than us for quite awhile. Literally every data point over a decade bears that out, including our record on the field vs theirs (in a much tougher division), and NFL players produced. You are the one who turned it into a referendum on the star ranking system.

Speaking of which, it’s true that on the aggregate, programs that get a lot of star talent win more and produce more NFL players. Whether that is a chicken or the egg scenario will be debated from now until the end of time. But in a localized comparison of just two teams, a lot of variation exists. Tennessee talent in the recruiting process has been overvalued for quite awhile, while ours has been woefully undervalued. The fact that you could reach any other conclusion after watching SEC football over the past decade is truly remarkable.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I’m taking the position that Tennessee has in no way, shape, or form had more talent than us for quite awhile. Literally every data point over a decade bears that out, including our record on the field vs theirs (in a much tougher division), and NFL players produced. You are the one who turned it into a referendum on the star ranking system.

Speaking of which, it’s true that on the aggregate, programs that get a lot of star talent win more and produce more NFL players. Whether that is a chicken or the egg scenario will be debated from now until the end of time. But in a localized comparison of just two teams, a lot of variation exists. Tennessee talent in the recruiting process has been overvalued for quite awhile, while ours has been woefully undervalued. The fact that you could reach any other conclusion after watching SEC football over the past decade is truly remarkable.

You’re not taking into account the abysmal coaching and culture that’s been at Tennessee.

At any rate, you’re arguing just to argue, because what I said about Tennessee is they will always out recruit MSU and have more talent on paper than state based on that. That’s an indisputable (well, maybe not for you) fact.

 

[Go Budaw]

You’re not taking into account the abysmal coaching and culture that’s been at Tennessee.

At any rate, you’re arguing just to argue, because what I said about Tennessee is they will always out recruit MSU and have more talent on paper than state based on that. That’s an indisputable (well, maybe not for you) fact.

So, Tennessee will always have more talent, except when they have abysmal culture? The NFL, who can find players at Northern Iowa, North Dakota State, and Central Arkansas, and all sorts of other nooks and crannies somehow couldn’t find more players at mighty Tennessee than at MSU, only because of abysmal culture?

This is getting comical. I’m not arguing just to argue, I think you literally might be the only person on this board who still thinks we have a major talent gap with Tennessee. Peyton Manning ain’t walking through that door.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

So, Tennessee will always have more talent, except when they have abysmal culture? The NFL, who can find players at Northern Iowa, North Dakota State, and Central Arkansas, and all sorts of other nooks and crannies somehow couldn’t find more players at mighty Tennessee than at MSU, only because of abysmal culture?

This is getting comical. I’m not arguing just to argue, I think you literally might be the only person on this board who still thinks we have a major talent gap with Tennessee. Peyton Manning ain’t walking through that door.

From 2021 down, UTs class rankings compared to States, using your favorite composite method.

6 33
10 28
13 24
21 27
17 24
14 28
4 18
7 36
25 24
19 22
14 41
7 30

What’s comical is you think we recruit talent on the same level as UT. Do you actually believe what you are typing? Or are you just trolling? Have to be trolling.

 

[Go Budaw]

From 2021 down, UTs class rankings compared to States, using your favorite composite method.

6 33
10 28
13 24
21 27
17 24
14 28
4 18
7 36
25 24
19 22
14 41
7 30

What’s comical is you think we recruit talent on the same level as UT. Do you actually believe what you are typing? Or are you just trolling? Have to be trolling.

I have already proven that we recruit the same (or better) level of talent as Tennessee over the most recent 10-12 year period, using the only metrics that 17ing matter....wins and losses on the field and pro players produced. I’ve also already noted the universal truth, based on those two inarguable facts, that Tennessee recruits have been overvalued while ours have been undervalued. But apparently you struggle so mightily in reading comprehension that you wasted a ton of time in putting this list together. I’m afraid I am already keenly aware of UT finishing ahead of us in the recruiting rankings since the beginning of time.

The ultimate question is why do you hold mythical recruiting rankings above both of those actual tangible results? And if you do, do you even bother to watch the games, or do you just let 247 tell you who the best teams are? I guess that would save you about 3 hours to do some yardwork or some ****.