Hot for teacher....

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Correct and a good number don't want to be around them after school either.

I work at an elementary school in a low income "suberb" of Houston. We had more kids missing 40 days or more the past 2 years than ever before. Before the shut down we had a couple of problem kids, but nothing like now. A good number of our parents don't require their children to do homework or read for even a little bit each night. So all of the life lessons which should be learned at home, aren't being taught. So the cycle repeats, and grows, because that one low income family is producing 3 or 4 kids who are going to be in the same situation or worse.

Until education is, once again, the focus for our young people, we are going to continue to underperform vs the rest of the world. The best and the brightest aren't coming from the US anymore, they are coming from countries and areas where there is parental involvement and where there is an emphasis on education.

My son lives in Katy. Homeschools his 2 boys, and wouldn't think of sending them to school.

One of the schools in Nebraska had 11th grade proficiency scores of:
Math 19% Science 22% English 27%. YET, the graduation rate was 87.27%.

Hell, if they had 4 other classes, basket weaving, counting to 100, PE, and study hall and scored 100% on all 4 classes, they still only average 66%, which in my day, was an F or a 5.

In addition, they have no tardy policy in place. If a kid shows up in class at 10:00 and decides to just walk out of the building for the day and 10:15, he/she is not considered tardy or absent. Still gets a passing grade in the class.

As a country we've graduated to the point of many schools not even needing a SAT or ACT score to quality for a 4 year college. I think the problem is so multi-faceted, it could take a decade to restore the educational system to being average.

Some of my best friends are teachers, active and retired both. As you, and perhaps your daughters well know, this environment has been a demoralizer among teachers. The system in place, has turned a job they loved, into a job they want to leave in droves.

Teachers bust their ***, give everything within their power to teach their students, and the idea of getting even minimal parental support for large percentage undermines their efforts.

I still think having kids in your class and having you teach them, in the first quarter, the components needed to build a winning football team. 2nd quarter, how to build a dynamic offensive team. 3rd quarter, how to build an aggressive, efficient tackling defensive unit. 4th quarter, how do these concepts apply in stepping out into the real world after high school.

Kids would learn a helluva lot more than a Science class or Algebra, or a History class many of them are bored to death with. Go team go!!

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

OK I'll say it...public education started to nosedive when a certain political group that shall not be named decided to use the school system as an indoctrination center for their political beliefs instead of teaching kid's important subjects that they need to stay competitive such as math and science...bout the time when the book "Heather has Two Mommies" showed up on bookshelves in their libraries....coincidentally....and we started hearing more and more about teachers bangin students...coincidentally....and we stopped holding students accountable because it seemed seemed old fashioned and we installed behavior plans, instead of actually punishing them when they did wrong....coincidentally.

 

[NECoach31BB]

Watching this discussion change from a creepy teacher to a discussion on how to reform education finally turned into a good link of ideas. As a former teacher I can tell you most of the teachers I worked with at one point were pretty good teachers. They were knowledgeable in their Contana area and they wanted to do the right thing. Some left because of the pay some left because the administration some left because the kids just simply didn’t want to learn and others left because the preparation for them to go from being an educated person into an educator was worthless. Education needs to be seen as a priority but it needs to be seen is that in college as well to generate actual educators who create and develop critical thinkers. It just seems too often we’re looking for up a cute project or a latest fad and ideas to make the kids interested in something. We want to have the kids look at the teachers as a friend. Well those things don’t do a good job in creating lifelong critical thinkers. Can you do some fad and some cool stuff yes but it Hass to be around the core concept of developing critical thinkers. Can they find information can they apply the information to the fax of what’s going on. That can be done in any contact area.

I think one of the things lately that’s been so destructive to education is the idea of trust the science. Well what the hell does that mean? When I went through school science was the active and engaged process of confirming information and seeking out new information through confirmation. That’s not what trust the science means today. It means blind faith nod your head and go along with what people that have initials after their name tell you. Do you want to educate and you want to have the next generation ready to lead a successful nation on down to most importantly a successful family make them think they can prove things don’t just reward them for regurgitation.

 

[king_kong_]

OK I'll say it...public education started to nosedive when a certain political group that shall not be named decided to use the school system as an indoctrination center for their political beliefs instead of teaching kid's important subjects that they need to stay competitive such as math and science...bout the time when the book "Heather has Two Mommies" showed up on bookshelves in their libraries....coincidentally....and we started hearing more and more about teachers bangin students...coincidentally....and we stopped holding students accountable because it seemed seemed old fashioned and we installed behavior plans, instead of actually punishing them when they did wrong....coincidentally.

in addition, the fact that women make up 85%+ of educators/admins leads decisions to be made based on feelings

feelings are anathema to production, and the #1 reason why the only things that actually did teach life lessons in school (football, bullying, detention/punishment via physical labor, shop class, etc) are now relics of a "toxic" past in many places

move this to TOS if you must, but I think this is a good thread and discussion. thanks to all who are participating, I am (perhaps ironically) learning from your perspectives.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

in addition, the fact that women make up 85%+ of educators/admins leads decisions to be made based on feelings

feelings are anathema to production, and the #1 reason why the only things that actually did teach life lessons in school (football, bullying, detention/punishment via physical labor, shop class, etc) are now relics of a "toxic" past in many places

move this to TOS if you must, but I think this is a good thread and discussion. thanks to all who are participating, I am (perhaps ironically) learning from your perspectives.

I've zero issues with female teachers. My wife spent years in the deep south in the profession, she didn't need to work, she just did it because she had a passion for helping others. Those are the kids of people you want teaching, people who don't do it for money but want to leave the world a better place, I believe there are more women like that than there are men, because I think we tend to be a little more selfish than the female sex.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

OK I'll say it...public education started to nosedive when a certain political group that shall not be named decided to use the school system as an indoctrination center for their political beliefs instead of teaching kid's important subjects that they need to stay competitive such as math and science...bout the time when the book "Heather has Two Mommies" showed up on bookshelves in their libraries....coincidentally....and we started hearing more and more about teachers bangin students...coincidentally....and we stopped holding students accountable because it seemed seemed old fashioned and we installed behavior plans, instead of actually punishing them when they did wrong....coincidentally.

I agree to a large extent. More importantly it is that they took competition out of education. For example we can no longer have math downs, for those that don’t know what I’m talking about, you split the class in half two at a time they come up, the teacher flashes a flash card, whoever gets it first goes back in line, the other kid goes back to their seat.
Additionally, every student has some sort of disability now. I literally have kids that I have to read everything to them, another group of kids that only have the answers read to them all. Kids that only have to do half the assignments, kids that get extra time to do assignments. It is literally impossible to keep up with all of the accommodations.
I never want to make a kid look stupid, but sometimes embarrassment is humbling and motivating.

everyone gets a trophy

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

I would be utterly shocked that a board member ever saw the evaluation of a teacher. In my nearly 40 years I have never seen it or heard of it. There is no ranking system as well. He could very well be saying the teacher was evaluated highly by the administrator which has nothing to do with your being bored!

"Also it's hard for administration to get rid of poor teachers that have tenure. Unfortunately via negotiated agreements the bad ones get paid just as much as the good ones."

States vary on tenure laws so it is somewhat variable. Generally, if someone is not going to make it, you have to let them go BEFORE they are offered their 4th contract which would be three years of teaching. I have let teachers go after one year, it just was not going to work but generally you give a teacher the full 2 0r 3 years to prove this is a good fit.

It is not easy to get rid of a poor performing teaching but not impossible either. In many cases, you just begin the evaluation process and they know the handwriting is on the wall. You become mortal enemies and the administrator has to wear the teacher down until they quit or you go through the lengthy and time consuming process.

Few people understand what tenure means. It gives a teacher property rights under the 14th amendment. This means you cannot take property, in this case a job, away from them without due process and that is different in each state. I know what it is here. The other problem is there are not adequate replacement teachers out there so if you have a marginal teacher you most likely keep them and hope to change them especially if they are math, science, language, technology or the like. There is a huge shortage and it is only going to get worse.

I agree. But this guy had been board president for years. I doubt either that he physically saw it but in side discussion was told this by the principal who does the evaluating.

When economy is booming there's a shortage of teachers typically and not so much in recession. But I can sure see why people don't go into the education field.

 

[king_kong_]

I've zero issues with female teachers. My wife spent years in the deep south in the profession, she didn't need to work, she just did it because she had a passion for helping others. Those are the kids of people you want teaching, people who don't do it for money but want to leave the world a better place, I believe there are more women like that than there are men, because I think we tend to be a little more selfish than the female sex.

I agree.

I also think those exact people (women & dudes who think like women) are the ones who come up with and then enforce rules so nobody gets hurt, hence the real issues at hand.

it is not because they are bad people - in fact, it's the opposite. it comes from a good place but obviously has some pretty dire consequences.

 

[king_kong_]

I agree to a large extent. More importantly it is that they took competition out of education. For example we can no longer have math downs, for those that don’t know what I’m talking about, you split the class in half two at a time they come up, the teacher flashes a flash card, whoever gets it first goes back in line, the other kid goes back to their seat.
Additionally, every student has some sort of disability now. I literally have kids that I have to read everything to them, another group of kids that only have the answers read to them all. Kids that only have to do half the assignments, kids that get extra time to do assignments. It is literally impossible to keep up with all of the accommodations.
I never want to make a kid look stupid, but sometimes embarrassment is humbling and motivating.

everyone gets a trophy

pretty crazy, Tuco. thanks for sharing.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch_rivals294365]

Secondary educator in a large public high school for 23 years chiming in here…

There needs to be more places to go for kids who will enter into trades, and also the dipsh!ts.

The top kids are as good and/or better than when I was in high school, and they are pushed and are ready for college when they graduate.

The “average” kids are the ones who get screwed because they end up getting mixed in with the dipsh!ts and the kids who should be on a track to learn a trade. They don’t get challenged enough.

Bottom line though…if there were places the admin could send the dipsh!ts(the bottom 10% who drag down the entire school), then our average kids would be able to achieve so much more. But there are too many hoops to jump through to get those kids out of school.

Sorry for the long post…I could go on for plenty longer though.

 

[EVERED]

At least a 12 pack.

Before or after?

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Before or after?

If you can "rise" to the occasion after 12 beers and staring at that for your prize if you do...I say you prolly had some help in the form of a little blue pill.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

If you can "rise" to the occasion after 12 beers and staring at that for your prize if you do...I say you prolly had some help in the form of a little blue pill.

You know what they say? A hot cock has no conscience.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

You know what they say? A hot cock has no conscience.

I've never actually heard that and could have been just fine for the rest of my life if I never did.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Secondary educator in a large public high school for 23 years chiming in here…

There needs to be more places to go for kids who will enter into trades, and also the dipsh!ts.

The top kids are as good and/or better than when I was in high school, and they are pushed and are ready for college when they graduate.

The “average” kids are the ones who get screwed because they end up getting mixed in with the dipsh!ts and the kids who should be on a track to learn a trade. They don’t get challenged enough.

Bottom line though…if there were places the admin could send the dipsh!ts(the bottom 10% who drag down the entire school), then our average kids would be able to achieve so much more. But there are too many hoops to jump through to get those kids out of school.

Sorry for the long post…I could go on for plenty longer though.

Again this is elementary level kids. but I made the suggestion to put the lowest performing kids in one classroom, per grade level (grades 3-5). I even volunteered to take one of the grades I just asked for a para to be assigned full time. It was shot down, because it isn't considered Gen Ed if there are more than 50% of the students that are considered SPED. That falls in line with what you are talking about with the 10% that are dragging everyone else down and with what I wrote about the number of kids that have accommodations and considered SPED. I think it is BS because we group the smartest kids in one class and no one has a problem with that.

I recently took a job as the behavioral specialist, I have a self-contained classroom of, right now, 8, 3rd to 5th, graders that have behavioral issues that prevent them from being in the Gen Ed setting. We will see how that goes.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

Secondary educator in a large public high school for 23 years chiming in here…

There needs to be more places to go for kids who will enter into trades, and also the dipsh!ts.

The top kids are as good and/or better than when I was in high school, and they are pushed and are ready for college when they graduate.

The “average” kids are the ones who get screwed because they end up getting mixed in with the dipsh!ts and the kids who should be on a track to learn a trade. They don’t get challenged enough.

Bottom line though…if there were places the admin could send the dipsh!ts(the bottom 10% who drag down the entire school), then our average kids would be able to achieve so much more. But there are too many hoops to jump through to get those kids out of school.

Sorry for the long post…I could go on for plenty longer though.

You hit the nail pretty good. We had an alternative school we sent them to when I was on the board in 90s and early 2000s. I see they aren't doing that anymore . Not sure why

 

[TruHusker]

Again this is elementary level kids. but I made the suggestion to put the lowest performing kids in one classroom, per grade level (grades 3-5). I even volunteered to take one of the grades I just asked for a para to be assigned full time. It was shot down, because it isn't considered Gen Ed if there are more than 50% of the students that are considered SPED. That falls in line with what you are talking about with the 10% that are dragging everyone else down and with what I wrote about the number of kids that have accommodations and considered SPED. I think it is BS because we group the smartest kids in one class and no one has a problem with that.

I recently took a job as the behavioral specialist, I have a self-contained classroom of, right now, 8, 3rd to 5th, graders that have behavioral issues that prevent them from being in the Gen Ed setting. We will see how that goes.

Tuco, what you asked for is technically against the law. Least restrictive and all of that stuff. I am guessing you will do just fine in the classroom setting you will be in next year. Some depends on their level of behavior as well. I could never do that although I have seen plenty of it over the years.

 

[TruHusker]

You hit the nail pretty good. We had an alternative school we sent them to when I was on the board in 90s and early 2000s. I see they aren't doing that anymore . Not sure why

Alternative schools were the rage several years ago. Back around 2000 I started an at risk program at a HS. They never had one before that. They also had an alternative school in a town of 5,000. Kids would deliberately fail a class at the HS so they could go to the Alt School and finish the class in a few days. It was a joke.

We had an alternative school here in Salina and the Principal left a couple years ago and they closed it down. All you do is move the problems to one place instead of spreading them out over 2 high schools in our town. They tried to come up with ways to do work differently but with the same outcomes. Extremely difficult and by this time of their lives, their behavior is pretty much set unfortunately. The brand new building is now gong to be an educational/training center for spec ed kids to concentrate on teaching them low level job skills like cleaning, mowing, etc. Some of the other problems with Alt Schools were staffing - talk about high burn out! They were called more names by 9:00 than I heard in 4 years of HS. Funding is another issue. By default you have small class sizes with high needs and you still need the specialized areas of math, science, language arts, etc.

 

[Big bo fan]

Secondary educator in a large public high school for 23 years chiming in here…

There needs to be more places to go for kids who will enter into trades, and also the dipsh!ts.

The top kids are as good and/or better than when I was in high school, and they are pushed and are ready for college when they graduate.

The “average” kids are the ones who get screwed because they end up getting mixed in with the dipsh!ts and the kids who should be on a track to learn a trade. They don’t get challenged enough.

Bottom line though…if there were places the admin could send the dipsh!ts(the bottom 10% who drag down the entire school), then our average kids would be able to achieve so much more. But there are too many hoops to jump through to get those kids out of school.

Sorry for the long post…I could go on for plenty longer though.

I agree with 99 percent of your post , the dipshits are the one causing all the issues, it is not the bottom 10 of the workforce kids , the problem is The Who raised the dipshits, the parents were just like them when in school. The problems is the alternative schools don’t want the dipshits , they want kids who truly have a issue, not the dipshits that don’t care. The public schools are between a rock and a hard place.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Tuco, what you asked for is technically against the law. Least restrictive and all of that stuff. I am guessing you will do just fine in the classroom setting you will be in next year. Some depends on their level of behavior as well. I could never do that although I have seen plenty of it over the years.

Then identify the class as a different type of SPED class and leave the middle of the road kids for the other teachers.

 

[TruHusker]

Then identify the class as a different type of SPED class and leave the middle of the road kids for the other teachers.

I would be rich if I had a dollar every time I heard that suggestion. You are finding out thr only way to have spec ed kids in a contained room. For those who don't know, it's called the least restricted environment. Many years ago they had their own room and then laws changed, probably because of a lawsuit somewhere. Only the severe students find their way to a specialized room.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch_rivals294365]

Alternative schools were the rage several years ago. Back around 2000 I started an at risk program at a HS. They never had one before that. They also had an alternative school in a town of 5,000. Kids would deliberately fail a class at the HS so they could go to the Alt School and finish the class in a few days. It was a joke.

We had an alternative school here in Salina and the Principal left a couple years ago and they closed it down. All you do is move the problems to one place instead of spreading them out over 2 high schools in our town. They tried to come up with ways to do work differently but with the same outcomes. Extremely difficult and by this time of their lives, their behavior is pretty much set unfortunately. The brand new building is now gong to be an educational/training center for spec ed kids to concentrate on teaching them low level job skills like cleaning, mowing, etc. Some of the other problems with Alt Schools were staffing - talk about high burn out! They were called more names by 9:00 than I heard in 4 years of HS. Funding is another issue. By default you have small class sizes with high needs and you still need the specialized areas of math, science, language arts, etc.

The thing is…who cares about those kids? I know I don’t, I know the parents don’t, and I know the kids don’t.

We have an alternative school in our district, and most of the problem is they act like they can’t handle more than like 50 kids…because it’s so damn hard to hand out packets and give smoke breaks to 50 kids.

Buffoons out there that b!tch about public education(at least in big districts) need to dig into the alternative school package. It’s bad…like really bad.

 

[nick614]

no way on the cameras in the classroom. Too many privacy issues in my opinion. Additionally, too many really good teachers are able to teach what needs to be taught but not follow the exact curriculum. In Texas, we are "required" to use specific and in my opinion worthless teaching techniques. When admin comes to observe, you have to use all of the stupid jargon they want you to use. They are only concerned about the STAAR test results down here and not about getting the kids educated. They are failing at both.

Police have cameras then so can teachers. Teachers should be more scrutinized than police officers as they have ~30 minor children in their care and as we know there is a pedophile problem in schools.

No private information is being given away in a classroom.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Police have cameras then so can teachers. Teachers should be more scrutinized than police officers as they have ~30 minor children in their care and as we know there is a pedophile problem in schools.

No private information is being given away in a classroom.

It isn't private information that is the concern. It is the fact that you would have to control access to who could watch. There are so many custody battles, pervs (ironic in a thread started about pervs) and any number of people that could potentially gain access to the videos. Then consider sickos who could case the schools and classrooms for ways to enter the buildings. pass

The police comparison is simply silly, talk about apples and oranges.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Police have cameras then so can teachers. Teachers should be more scrutinized than police officers as they have ~30 minor children in their care and as we know there is a pedophile problem in schools.

No private information is being given away in a classroom.

Who would want to walk around all day, every day knowing they are being filmed?

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

Hey...everyone is diagramming sentences all the time in the real world! Ha

This literally changed my English grades in school and after. To this day, I don't know why it took until the 9th grade to be taught how to do that. Should be taught much much earlier, like 5th grade. Once you learn the formula, it gives you a framework for how to write.

 

[nick614]

It isn't private information that is the concern. It is the fact that you would have to control access to who could watch. There are so many custody battles, pervs (ironic in a thread started about pervs) and any number of people that could potentially gain access to the videos. Then consider sickos who could case the schools and classrooms for ways to enter the buildings. pass

The police comparison is simply silly talk about apples and oranges.

Weak response. More like pervs (teachers) want to be alone with children. The school doors are locked and public property anyways.

 

[SuperBigFan]

This literally changed my English grades in school and after. To this day, I don't know why it took until the 9th grade to be taught how to do that. Should be taught much much earlier, like 5th grade. Once you learn the formula, it gives you a framework for how to write.

I think we did it in 6th grade.

 

[SuperBigFan]

Police have cameras then so can teachers. Teachers should be more scrutinized than police officers as they have ~30 minor children in their care and as we know there is a pedophile problem in schools.

No private information is being given away in a classroom.

Honestly, we have to get permission from to even post pictures of their kid/student on the school website/instagram.

I think if you saw what some classrooms looked like, live, you would not be worried about this "pedo problem" but you would be worried that there is only one teacher in the room trying to control things and that they don't get paid about double.

 

[nick614]

Honestly, we have to get permission from to even post pictures of their kid/student on the school website/instagram.

I think if you saw what some classrooms looked like, live, you would not be worried about this "pedo problem" but you would be worried that there is only one teacher in the room trying to control things and that they don't get paid about double.

Considering I had a pedophile get arrested at my elementary school when I was there and then a high school teacher arrested for sleeping with multiple girls and the thousands of other times it happens elsewhere is a problem.

If most parents saw what a hallway or classroom looked like when no one is watching, they wouldn't send their child to that school.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

This literally changed my English grades in school and after. To this day, I don't know why it took until the 9th grade to be taught how to do that. Should be taught much much earlier, like 5th grade. Once you learn the formula, it gives you a framework for how to write.

I remember starting it in 5th grade but also did in 6th and continued into Jr high

 

[SuperBigFan]

Considering I had a pedophile get arrested at my elementary school when I was there and then a high school teacher arrested for sleeping with multiple girls and the thousands of other times it happens elsewhere is a problem.

If most parents saw what a hallway or classroom looked like when no one is watching, they wouldn't send their child to that school.

So, why do they send them now? If there are these amazing number of cases that you speak of. Clearly it is super well known, so why are these parents sending them now?

 

[nick614]

So, why do they send them now? If there are these amazing number of cases that you speak of. Clearly it is super well known, so why are these parents sending them now?

Those that can afford to don't. But you shouldn't make public policy for those that can afford private school.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/10/15/sexual-assault-k-12-schools/

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I read a study about guys names Nick from Columbus and the correlation to the necessary use of the little blue pill.

 

[SuperBigFan]

Those that can afford to don't. But you shouldn't make public policy for those that can afford private school.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/10/15/sexual-assault-k-12-schools/

Ahhhh, I thought you were just talking about teachers.

This link is student on student as well.

 

[Spartanhusker]

I've never actually heard that and could have been just fine for the rest of my life if I never did.

Im so laughing!!!

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Im so laughing!!!

I'm laughing because you're laughing.

 

[Huskers=Best]

Right, just like non-medical people should be in the operating room, right? You want to avoid that groupthink!

And like lawyers should totally ask auto mechanics about filing a motion.

Oh and rocket scientists...they should totally ask stay at home moms for help. Gotta avoid groupthink!

Parents can be involved with that is taught. All they need to do is get into the field of education.

Nice false anology. Not even going to distinguish that with a rebuttal.

Spoken like a like only an educator could do. Only educators are capable to decide what things are taught to children... Educators should work through and decide the mechanisms and tools to teach, but public education needs to be guided by the community. It's not just "publicly funded" education, it is education for the public. For example, if the public decides that they don't want their kids to be taught they need to "choose" their gender when they are 5 years old, the educators shouldn't decide that they should be teaching that to the children for the public.

 

[SuperBigFan]

Nice false anology. Not even going to distinguish that with a rebuttal.

Spoken like a like only an educator could do. Only educators are capable to decide what things are taught to children... Educators should work through and decide the mechanisms and tools to teach, but public education needs to be guided by the community. It's not just "publicly funded" education, it is education for the public. For example, if the public decides that they don't want their kids to be taught they need to "choose" their gender when they are 5 years old, the educators shouldn't decide that they should be teaching that to the children for the public.

"False analogy" = ****...I messed up and got backed into a corner so it is time to bring up gender topics and 5 year olds.

Let me help you with something...99% of educators do not want to teach about choosing genders either. The teachers are not the crazy ones. Watch some school board meetings, watch non-teachers go up and freak out about stuff.

Also, you misspelled analogy.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

"False analogy" = ****...I messed up and got backed into a corner so it is time to bring up gender topics and 5 year olds.

Let me help you with something...99% of educators do not want to teach about choosing genders either. The teachers are not the crazy ones. Watch some school board meetings, watch non-teachers go up and freak out about stuff.

Also, you misspelled analogy.

I'm not saying I disagree with you but if 99% are doing something they don't want to do or believe in then there's a big problem. 1% are driving the bus?? Maybe they need to stand up to their own union and leadership.