Horrible shooting in Vegas
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Sounds like they killed him. He was in a hotel room firing down on a crowd. “Multiple firearms”
Stephen Paddock.
64 year old.
Alaska hunting license.
Pilot license.
Worked as an accountant.
Stephen Paddock.
64 year old.
Alaska hunting license.
Pilot license.
Worked as an accountant.
A total lack of appreciation for the beauty and scarcity of life. Its pathetic how we have devalued how precious life is.
Y'all know in recorded history one of the
first 4 people on this earth killed his brother right? From ancient history, to Hitler's regime, to stuff like today - there always has been and always will be evil in this world. Fortunately the good outweighs it.
first 4 people on this earth killed his brother right? From ancient history, to Hitler's regime, to stuff like today - there always has been and always will be evil in this world. Fortunately the good outweighs it.
Overall we haven't ... but it only takes one every once in a while to do a lot of damage ... not even one in a million because we don't have 300 mass killers in the US. It'll be interesting to see what this guy's motive was, or if was he just nuts.
Thru history- completely agree- there is evil in this world.
I would disagree though when it comes to senseless/anonymous mass shootings carried out by individuals in the US. If you charted out mass shootings by decade from 1930 thru today, it would exponentially rise.
its an auto. Whatever weapon it was was either belt fed or had a drum mag. The volleys of fire were no less than 50 rounds and could have been a 100 between reloads. It also took him longer to reload than just dropping a mag and replacing it.
Thats just judging by the multiple audio clips I heard.
Pretty sure that's wrong. With Orlando and now this, you might see a sharp rise in deaths though. But mass shootings frequency has been pretty steady I believe.
ETA: or maybe its just been steady since 1980. http://archive.boston.com/community/blogs/crime_punishment/2012/08/no_increase_in_mass_shootings.html
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Belt fed doesn't seem very likely. Everything I've heard in videos sounds like an AK. I would suspect AKs with drums. If he's from Alaska, F/A Kalashnikovs wouldn't be that hard for him to obtain. Not terribly hard to convert to F/A from semi if he's mechanically minded either. Sad situation. Sounds like he ended himself before police got to him.
I was about to say something similar. The rate of fire that I can hear doesn't sound like something out of an AR/MSR platform. Seems slow. Of course the video could be slowed down just a touch or it could be the acoustics of the environment. I'm not ballistics expert but it does sound like an AK or something with a long slide.
I don't think accuracy was an issue.
He was firing down on a huge music festival crowd. No accuracy required, just fire in the general direction and murder dozens of people, maim hundreds. Horrifying.
He was firing down on a huge music festival crowd. No accuracy required, just fire in the general direction and murder dozens of people, maim hundreds. Horrifying.
What I was referencing was over the last 75+ years.
With that said, i could see mass shootings over the current and prior 4 combined decades being relatively steady. The 80s were postal shootings, the 90s were school shootings, etc...at least thats how it sticks out in my mind.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-in-america-numbers-more-frequent-more-deadly
But still- this article has a graph which shows since the turn of the century mass shootings have trended up.
This article then discusses how wildly varying 'mass shootings' as a category is and its due to how it is defined. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-statistics-20151204-story.html
This article claims the FBI released a report(i didnt read it) that confirms mass shootings have increased thru this century so far. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/us/25shooters.html?mcubz=0
Im not arguing your comment, just adding info to it as discussion since arguing this right now would be...well its unnecessary.
17ing horrific- my office has 3 flat screens on CNN right now. Just so much info overload makes you want to disconnect so you dont have to deal with it...and im not even directly affected. Crazy.
Oh well. Just another mass shooting in the USA. I'm surprised news outlets still report these things. They're so commonplace that y'all are discussing the difficulty of the shot. There's so little shock and horror anymore that degree of difficulty is the only thing remaining to parse.
Just out of curiosity how long are you grieving and what are you doing to make things better?
Probably 350 feet high (32nd floor, but hotels don't tend to be as tall as the same number of floors in an office building), but don't know how far away at an angle he was from the concert attendees. I'm guessing almost right below though.
It pisses me off that the political is going off before the dead are cold. You cannot legislate mental illness. There are those hollering for gun control and as a long time gun advocate, I have to partially agree. There is no need for guns that can be converted or are already automatic, if only for reasons like this.
We need to spend money and time on research why people do this. The reasons are never obvious, but one thing is obvious... we have lost the respect for life in our sociiety.
We need to spend money and time on research why people do this. The reasons are never obvious, but one thing is obvious... we have lost the respect for life in our sociiety.
I'm getting to that point myself; however, you'd be looking at banning almost all self-loading semi-automatics to meet that condition. Just one more difficult element of an impossible problem.
I don't even consider this stuff a 'pro-gun' or 'anti-gun' discussion anymore. To me, this discussion is about special interest $ in Washington.
There was a discussion along these lines on here a year or so ago after one of these shootings. I brought up that the problem is mental illness. The quick fix is to give people pills and I will bet my left nut this guy was on psychotropics, that can create more problems.
I disagree with you on the 'no need' front because it doesn't make a damn difference. There is a no need for a bunch of things in life...no need for beer cause it causes DUI deaths. If a crazy wants to kill they will kill. What was stopping him from running a truck bomb into the hotel lobby?
17ing awful. Senseless. What's the damn point. And he took the cowards way out. Just a damn shame.
"Spend money and time one research''?
Let me save us some money and time. There are some crazy *** MF's out there and you can't tell me no one else knew those nuts were unhinged to one degree, or another.
Not everyone who does stuff like this is mentally ill. And most mentally ill people are not violent criminals.
Ok
So a person who commits mass murder doesn't have mental problem? Am I reading this right?
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Knowing someone is crazy, and knowing someone will shoot up a concert or a school or a church is another.
These things can't be predicted or are almost impossible to do so.
I still can't find a reason for anyone to be allowed
to own any sort of semi automatic rifle. I 100% support gun ownership to responsible adults for self defense or hunting.
That's not a self defense weapon. That's not a hunting weapon. That's a weapon for efficiently killing a bunch of people. Crying "mental illness" and then doing nothing about it is getting old - especially when it's coming from the same people pushing reduced healthcare coverage.
For anyone concerned about terrorism - this is it. This is domestic terrorism. This **** has got to stop.
to own any sort of semi automatic rifle. I 100% support gun ownership to responsible adults for self defense or hunting.
That's not a self defense weapon. That's not a hunting weapon. That's a weapon for efficiently killing a bunch of people. Crying "mental illness" and then doing nothing about it is getting old - especially when it's coming from the same people pushing reduced healthcare coverage.
For anyone concerned about terrorism - this is it. This is domestic terrorism. This **** has got to stop.
The amount of $ the NRA spends in Washington is astounding.
They are the #1 hurdle to any sort of increased regulation, of any sort, for any reason.
They are the #1 hurdle to any sort of increased regulation, of any sort, for any reason.
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