Hopkins vs UCONN

IroquoisPliskin

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While obviously I think cal blew it with Hopkins, some of the 1 on 1 moves he's doing to people this season are so confusing to me. He couldn't drive on anyone guarding him without turning it over last season, regardless of what position was guarding him.
 

wildcatdon

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While obviously I think cal blew it with Hopkins, some of the 1 on 1 moves he's doing to people this season are so confusing to me. He couldn't drive on anyone guarding him without turning it over last season, regardless of what position was guarding him.
Was never left in the game long enough to play comfortably. Very short leash with CCC which is typical. Cal plays his favorites and runs others off. Was very sad to see Bryce go.
 

LineSkiCat14

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Was never left in the game long enough to play comfortably. Very short leash with CCC which is typical. Cal plays his favorites and runs others off. Was very sad to see Bryce go.

The short leash thing really is the killer here. Does Cal's offense squeeze the most out of Hopkins? Probably not. But I think Hopkins would be fine IF he get the proper chance here.
 

Ky_Bred_Cat

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The short leash thing really is the killer here. Does Cal's offense squeeze the most out of Hopkins? Probably not. But I think Hopkins would be fine IF he get the proper chance here.
Exactly. We're always looking for that guy that can get buckets when needed. Hopkins is built that way and if allowed to develop those skills could have been that guy for us.
 

qwesley

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While obviously I think cal blew it with Hopkins, some of the 1 on 1 moves he's doing to people this season are so confusing to me. He couldn't drive on anyone guarding him without turning it over last season, regardless of what position was guarding him.
He is using his quickness against 4s this year versus last year playing the perimeter with 3s on him.
 

UK90

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Exactly. We're always looking for that guy that can get buckets when needed. Hopkins is built that way and if allowed to develop those skills could have been that guy for us.
And, aside from his ability to get buckets, it turns out that he’s also an elite rebounder averaging 9.3 boards per game this year.

He’s exactly the kind of skilled versatile 4 that we’ve been desperately needing and missing this year. But he didn’t get fair chance to show that last year, because Cal flat out refused to allow him to play the 4 spot.
 

MakinMusic_rivals

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A head scratcher for sure. I liked Hopkins. It’s possible Hopkins pushed the transfer more than Kentucky. Who knows.
 

rob_47

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While obviously I think cal blew it with Hopkins, some of the 1 on 1 moves he's doing to people this season are so confusing to me. He couldn't drive on anyone guarding him without turning it over last season, regardless of what position was guarding him.
That's because guys play tight under Cal especially if they know they aren't one of his favorites. I'm sure he has improved some as well but Cal has a way of tearing down some guys confidence. They know when they get in the game that Cal will pull them for certain types of mistakes. Part of the reason I have been so impressed with Thiero is he has played so well with the little minutes he has gotten he is just composed and plays his game. I honestly think Cal doesn't want to play him because it would be clear how much he offers to the team so he keeps him on the sidelines in order to play his guys. It also seems like the higher character guys have a harder time getting off the bench.
 

John Henry

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This is not the only time Cal dropped the ball. The list is long. Kids should realize if you go to Kentucky you will be in a grinder offense. There is no premium on scoring and you will be standing around quite a bit watching the point guard dribble.

Now if your goal is nothing but the NBA or some other pro team I guess you can live with Calipari's style. A lot of the players have over the past 10 years.
 

yoshukai

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While obviously I think cal blew it with Hopkins, some of the 1 on 1 moves he's doing to people this season are so confusing to me. He couldn't drive on anyone guarding him without turning it over last season, regardless of what position was guarding him.
It’s hard to play with one eye one the scorers table seeing who’s coming in for you .
 

DreadLox

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Hopkins fell down a lot. Very odd thing to do. I remember Julius Randle got called for not in-bounding the ball correctly. At least twice. Very odd .

Hopkins just had a problem adjusting to the speed of the game. And he didn’t want to play here and moved on.

But pick at the scab if it makes you feel better.
 

ruppsrunt1

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begok must play HIS favorites--blmbrooks was his chosen luv child last season

Hopkins is proving how favorites get playing time, and others rot on the pines

rr
 
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UK90

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Too bad the kid did not want to work at it at UK. Was never going to play over Brooks and Toppin his first year so the kid bolted. One of those kids that think they want to be the player with the ball predominately in their hands which is why he went to a school where he ended up...

There are several statements in this post that I’ll take issue with.

First, I’m not sure it’s even accurate to say his competition was Brooks and Toppin last year, because Cal refused to play him at the 4 and instead stubbornly insisted on playing him out of position at the 3.

Second, I’m not sure why it should’ve been presumed that he would “never play over Brooks and Toppin”, considering he’s now clearly proving that he’s better than both of those guys.

Third, what is your basis for claiming “he did not want to work at UK?” I’m guessin you have none. Looked like he busted his *** when he came in to me.

And it’s hard to blame him for wanting to leave given the way he was jerked around and lied to here. Remember when he had that great performance that saved us against LSU? At the press conference afterward, Cal explicitly said that he would have to play Bryce a lot more now. Well, that turned out to be a total lie, as Cal instead seemed to completely forget about him after that game and never gave him meaningful minutes again.

Would you wanna keep playing for a coach who handled you like that?
 
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sluggercatfan

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There are several statements in this post that I’ll take issue with.

First, I’m not sure it’s even accurate to say his competition was Brooks and Toppin last year, since Cal refused to play him at the 4 and instead stubbornly insisted on playing him out of position at the 3.

Second, I’m not sure why it should’ve been presumed that he would “never play over Brooks and Toppin”, considering he’s clearly now been proving that he’s better than both of those guys.

Third, what is your basis for saying “he did not want to work at UK?” I’m guessin you have none. Looked like he busted his *** when he came in to me.

And it’s hard to blame him for wanting to leave given the way he was jerked around and lied to here. Remember when he had that great performance that saved us against LSU? At the press conference afterward, Cal explicitly said that he would have to start playing Bryce a lot more now. Well, that turned out to be a total lie, as Cal instead seemed to completely forget about him after that game and never gave him meaningful minutes again.

Would you wanna keep playing for a coach who handled you like that?
Last year Sharpe and Hopkins were both big lies by CCC!!😡
 

LineSkiCat14

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Let's also remember, that when you rely heavily on the 1AD model, there's going to be transfers, and you're not always going to bat 1.000 on picking the right guys.

No one here was sad to see Hopkins go, as I recall.. as we figured "Well we have Toppin, and Collins is looking great!".. turns out, maybe Hopkins was better than both. Usually, the right guy transfers and both parties are better for it. In this scenario, it looks like a miss on Cal's part. But it's not like everyone who transfers goes on to be substantially better.
 

jjsomer

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Hopkins scored 27 points and got 5 rebounds vs the 4th ranked team in the nation, but he wasn’t good enough for Cal.
Hmmm...do you think Calipari told him to leave? or do you think Hopkins didn't want to play here? for Calipari?
 
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Last year Sharpe and Hopkins were both big lies by CCC!!😡
And Cal once again chose to listen to the WRONG player’s people. He should have told the Sharpe crew to hit the road and done WAAAAAAYYYY MORE to keep Bryce Hopkins!!

This is one of now many times that Cal has BOWED DOWN to the wrong kid! Watching Hopkins play this year just PROVES Cal has lost it!! That kid is going to end up being a 1st team All-American!!!
 

Big10Cat

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Hmmm...do you think Calipari told him to leave? or do you think Hopkins didn't want to play here? for Calipari?
Well, we have been hearing the past week that it’s increasingly harder to play here.
 
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LineSkiCat14

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First Charles Matthews, then Juzang and Brooks and Hopkins and all of them lived up to their billing SOMEWHERE else, wonder why?

Idk if Brooks is really any better at Washington.. 6 more points, but on 10 more minutes and his shooting percentage dropped.

Not sure about Matthews.. he did play better at Michigan. But I don't know if he fits with a Kentucky team that has more high end talent than your average big10 team.

Either way, it's easy to remember the great players that transferred, while forgetting the guys like Khalil Whitney.
 

katwest

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Idk if Brooks is really any better at Washington.. 6 more points, but on 10 more minutes and his shooting percentage dropped.

Not sure about Matthews.. he did play better at Michigan. But I don't know if he fits with a Kentucky team that has more high end talent than your average big10 team.

Either way, it's easy to remember the great players that transferred, while forgetting the guys like Khalil Whitney.
One thing for sure they can all say is there is LESS pressure which allows you to perform.
 

UK90

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Either way, it's easy to remember the great players that transferred, while forgetting the guys like Khalil Whitney.
But Kahlil Whitney didn’t transfer anywhere. He came here as a mega-hyped 5 star recruit, was an awful disappointment here …and then basically just disappeared. I don’t see how he’s relevant to that guy’s point.
 

qwesley

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Let's also remember, that when you rely heavily on the 1AD model, there's going to be transfers, and you're not always going to bat 1.000 on picking the right guys.

No one here was sad to see Hopkins go, as I recall.. as we figured "Well we have Toppin, and Collins is looking great!".. turns out, maybe Hopkins was better than both. Usually, the right guy transfers and both parties are better for it. In this scenario, it looks like a miss on Cal's part. But it's not like everyone who transfers goes on to be substantially better.
Yeah there were a few threads and clear disappointment . From the thread when he left, link below.
His total mins at his natural position, pf, was almost nil. He is going to be a matchup problem when used correctly as a face up 4. Great first step and good passer too.
April
 
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