do any of you have misgivings about taking the vaccine. Wife and I got a letter yesterday...we run a food pantry and have been bumped up on the list to receive it.....I take the flu shot every year but I'm unsure about this one since it's so new
Honest question......
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From a safety perspective, everything I’ve read and discussed with a couple MD friends of mine is that it’s as safe as any other vaccine, if not more so. All drugs can have side affects, but if I recall, you’re close your 70s, you should take it. I’ve given my parents the same advice.
Yes. The vaccine testing process was rushed. There could be long term side effects that haven’t had time to be identified. 23 people died in Norway after taking the vaccine, 13 over 80, but 10 were not.
It’s easy for my wife and I to mask and isolate and that’s the route we’ll take until the July-August timeframe.
Sounds like you and your wife have exposure to a vulnerable group, so you have a more difficult decision than I have. Good luck.
I take a flu shot every year and have recently had the shingle vaccine, so no general vaccine bias, I am just not confident in the Covid vaccine development process. Experts are always confident until,they’re not.
Technology is so much better now than 50 years ago. Are there side effects? Of course, but what are the side effects of the last 11 months? There have been an uptick in suicides and OD's by about 60,000. Do you expect there to be 60,000 deaths from the vaccine?
I guess you have your answer SLED, if floppin turkey is against it you should be for it..... simply because Gobble flop is never right.....
Have 2 family members that are MD's. One is my brother, who had Covid-19 in June.. He is insistent that I take the vaccine, I am 66 1/2. Both state that it is very safe.
Lmao. The fact I don’t even have to post now and you think of me. Bwhahahha. Game set match. Thanks for playing .HEY GRIM REAPER!
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If vaccines were so safe, why are drug companies protected from being sued in the event of negative side effects up to, and including, death? All the risk is placed on the person agreeing to take the vaccine. Zero liability on the vaccine manufacturer. That should tell you something.
I wanted to drop in and say that I'm off here for now, and maybe forever. Can't deal with this crap anymore. Political debates are fine, and I enjoy them. But this conspiracies and violence I can no longer tolerate. I love this country too much. Some of these posters on BOTH sides of the political spectrum are driving me crazy.
I just wanted to say you were perhaps the only one that I have respected for the past 10 months, and we at one time were constantly at each others throats. But anyways, later man. I hope your son 100% recovers and you and your family are safe. And golf weather is only 60 days away!
EDIT: Oh, and to answer this question....HELL NO I am not taking the vaccine. I don't take the flu vaccine, why would I this?
My parents (72/73) were vaccinated this past Monday here in GA with the Moderna vaccine. My dad had zero issues.....my mom had a sore arm and some other mild side effects for three days, but this is common for her....
I WILL NOT take it. It's not needed. It won't stop you from getting infected (particularly with these new strains) and the best "vaccine" is your own God given immune system.
Want to avoid the "killer Rona"?
Feed your immune system the following....consistently, and I 100% guarantee it will have no impact on you
Matter of fact, a healthy well balanced diet including calcium, fiber, antioxidants, and biotin will provide your powerful immune system all it needs to both confront and conquer the Corona virus strain if it is brave enough to enter your body. There is no vaccine invented that can produce powerful anti-bodies like your immune system, and all you have to do is feed it the ammo it needs to protect you 24/7 365 like it perfectly does for literally millions of other potentially fatal pathogens lurking out there.
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Want to avoid the "killer Rona"?
Feed your immune system the following....consistently, and I 100% guarantee it will have no impact on you
- Vitamin D3
- Vitamin A
- Vitamin E
- Vitamin C (important)
- Folate
- Iron
- Zinc
- Iodine
- Pantothenic acid
- Vitamin K
- Phosphorus Acid
- Selenium
- Molybdenum
- Potassium
Matter of fact, a healthy well balanced diet including calcium, fiber, antioxidants, and biotin will provide your powerful immune system all it needs to both confront and conquer the Corona virus strain if it is brave enough to enter your body. There is no vaccine invented that can produce powerful anti-bodies like your immune system, and all you have to do is feed it the ammo it needs to protect you 24/7 365 like it perfectly does for literally millions of other potentially fatal pathogens lurking out there.
more info here:
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I wish you would reconsider...I used to detest you until I found out who you really were inside.....I value your opinions and. yes friendship.....don't let the bastards get you down
Nope. What company would want to rush the release of a bad vaccine adn run the chance of tanking their stock?
My wife got hers this past week. No problems at all. Same with my parents.
Gentlemen, I’ve had the 2 shots of Pfizer because that was the first one that was released to the hospitals. The usual sore arm for a couple of days and that was it. I’m 57. Both of my 75 plus y.o. parents received their first doses of Moderna on Tuesday this week.
atlkvb, the Pfizer vaccine covers both the South Africa and English strains. Moderna will know in a couple of weeks. mRNA vaccine tech has been in development for the last 10 years. It is the future for vaccine development, including vaccines that fight cancer. But no, this development was safe and followed FDA criteria for vaccine development. And they were tested in big clinical trials (>40,000 people). When you get the vaccine sign up for the V-Safe program with your smart phone. Adverse reactions are being tracked in close to real time.
Mountaineers are always free. But as a pharmacist that’s been heavily involved with hospital vaccinations for the last month, I highly recommend that you get your shots when you are eligible and they are available. I like to have you all on the forum. But if you get sick and get admitted, well I have to tell you that Remdesivir, Regeneron, and bamlanivimab only make the docs feel better because at least they’re trying something. Those drugs don’t work for ****. The vaccine does.
atlkvb, the Pfizer vaccine covers both the South Africa and English strains. Moderna will know in a couple of weeks. mRNA vaccine tech has been in development for the last 10 years. It is the future for vaccine development, including vaccines that fight cancer. But no, this development was safe and followed FDA criteria for vaccine development. And they were tested in big clinical trials (>40,000 people). When you get the vaccine sign up for the V-Safe program with your smart phone. Adverse reactions are being tracked in close to real time.
Mountaineers are always free. But as a pharmacist that’s been heavily involved with hospital vaccinations for the last month, I highly recommend that you get your shots when you are eligible and they are available. I like to have you all on the forum. But if you get sick and get admitted, well I have to tell you that Remdesivir, Regeneron, and bamlanivimab only make the docs feel better because at least they’re trying something. Those drugs don’t work for ****. The vaccine does.
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Appreciate the advice, but no thanks. I'm trusting my immune system and the overwhelming evidence that healthy people with strong immune systems don't get infected, and if they do they fight this off just as you would a bad cold or flu. The evidence is also overwhelming that this virus while contagious, is NOT a death sentence once you're infected. As I mentioned healthy people don't get sick, it attacks folks who already either are sick or have weak immune systems due to other complications. Even in those instances, it rarely is ever the sole cause of death (but we're never given co-morbidity statistics)
I respect the hard work and effort that went into both developing this vaccine, and the efforts to assure its safety but no vaccine performs with the precision, reliability, and effectiveness of a well tuned & healthy immune system. Mine has gotten me to 63 years of Life and past some pretty dangerous pathogens lurking out there...no reason to distrust it now.
Thanks for the information.
The flu shot you receive is NEW every year. Educated guesses are made as to which strain(s) of flu will be prevalent and the vaccine is prepared accordingly. The vaccine on any given year is seldom, if ever, the same as the year(s) before. I will grant that this vaccine was developed using more advanced (modern?) technology that that which hss been employed in the past . It is because of these new techniques that the timf required could be reduced significantly (that and the ability of Trump to reduce the ordinarily common massive delays that were the norm). There are always risks associated eith new vaccines, treatments, drugs, tests, etc. One must always have faith and confidence in those professionals engaged in the production/preparation of these innovations. Occasionsl mistakes/oversights occur and , occasionally, there are serious consequences—are you old enough to remember the release
and use of Thalidamide? Such are rare events and often only affect a sslect portion of the population. So many aspects of life concurrently with risks and gambles. In this particular case, especially for those of us with multiple complicating factors (age, heart or lung disease, diabetes, elevated blood pressure, etc.) the possibility of complications from the vaccine seems but a minor/ minimal additional risk.
You sound like an intelligent soul, and most of what you wrote is valuable information. I do not know you nor recall seeing a notation of your age, an ultra critical issue with this virus. Having a healthy diet and general living habits is always to be encouraged. We do know the younger folks are suffering minimally with reduced fatalities. Those not so conscientious or ‘lucky’ or older may/should be encouraged toward this additional regimen. Unlike the pharmacist who posted earlier, I believe there is a growing body of evidence that survival statistics show benefit from the employment of various treatment options (some of which HE believes are ‘****’—a lot of data/statistics/experience point toward their efficacy. I, personally, know of 6 or so patients who contacted Covid, were treated with one or more of the drugs he noted, and improvement seemed to parallel the beginning of their administration, At least three were over age 65. One had very severe other medical problems
Taking or not taking the vaccine is a personal decision. I trust each person will utilize a thoroughly considered risk/benefit relationship between the two options.
I appreciate everything you've said here and I'm not denigrating anything the Pharmacist said or your anecdotal history with this virus. I'm only convinced this virus is NOT fatal if you are relatively healthy and particularly if you have a well seasoned immune system. Almighty God in his goodness Blessed us with these miraculous self regulating immune systems that work to near perfection against virtually any of the literally millions of harmful microbes and pathogens that we encounter throughout our lives. The antibodies one can develop once infected with this virus, virtually assure immunity from future infections.
The fact remains less than 1% of the population is at risk of fatalities from this virus, less so if you practice good nutrition, exercise, get plenty of rest and make use of a number of proven successful treatments should you become infected. It is NOT a death sentence but I respect your concern for those who you know & had difficulty coping with complications from an infection.
Overstated, maybe. It also really depends on the patient. Bamlanivimab and Regeneron didn’t show efficacy as inpatient drugs. Their outpatient utility is highly questionable. My point was that none of them work anywhere near as well as the vaccine will to prevent it in the first place. I’m glad something has worked for the patients you know. We’ve given it to about 80 patients in our hospital. I’m working on our own MUE.
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Say @WVU86 question for you since you're in health care delivery services.
Any truth to the stories hospitals were paid more to designate mere colds or flu "Covid" cases or they were reimbursed more for treatment of Covid patients?
Also in your opinion does the vaccine alter your body's normal reactions to viral infections or simply enhance your immune system's capabilities to develop killer anti-bodies?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
From my experience in the hospital where I'm the pharmacy director, the answer to your first pair of questions is no. Nobody wanted to be exposed to CV-19. If you had symptoms, you were tested. Early on it was taking 3 days to get the test results back. But you weren't given a diagnosis of CV-19 on discharge if you didn't test positive. As for CV-19 related expenses, if you ended up in the ICU sedated and on a ventilator for 3 weeks, yes, your charges were going to be higher. Hospitals will lose their ability to be reimbursed, and receive huge fines, if they attempt the fraud that you allude to in your questions.
As for your second question, the CV-19 mRNA vaccines simply help your body develop antibodies that are specific against that virus, and that virus only. From the CDC
A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.
Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.
As for your second question, the CV-19 mRNA vaccines simply help your body develop antibodies that are specific against that virus, and that virus only. From the CDC
A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.
Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.
