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Dude. Keep conflating idolizing a coach and rooting on a team.

 
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BassProCat

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Cal won’t feel any pressure but I do think we need a shake up in the staff. I feel like Barbee needs to move on. I don’t know what recruits are tied to him and I have no clue what he brings to the staff.
Justus has proven himself on the recruiting trail here lately and obviously don’t want Robic or Payne gone.

Also I really hate referring to the refs after losses but the whistle we received in Vegas was pretty damn bad.

I mean how can you not review that charge they called on Maxey when Wesson’s foot was in the restricted area but they reviewed it in our previous game...is it only reviewable inside the last 2 min?
 

BluCroo

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Just the natural progression. Coaches get complacent and the players follow their lead. A change will be coming soon.
 

Cowtown Cat

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I'm not a fire Cal guy or a Cal hater, never have been. I think he is and has been great for our program and state. Having said that, I'm curious what you guys think.

IF we were to bomb this season and miss the tournament, where would you stand with our coaching staff? I know we have a good group coming in next year, but once again, no good big man.

Should Cal start feeling pressure if this season is a giant flop? I'm curious what guys like @Cowtown Cat @BassProCat @GonzoCat90 @Smashcat and @Wall2Boogie think, along with the rest of you guys obviously.
Man, if we miss the tournament this year, Cal should definitely feel some pressure. How many 4/5 stars do we have again? I think he would definitely need to look into getting new assistants. That, by no means, means he will. He should, though, undoubtably.

I don't think that happens, though, at the end of the day. I think we end up getting it together, like always. The things that plague this team are: undefined roles, inconsistent shooting and shot selection, our bigs disappearing, EFFORT and not sharing the basketball.

The reason I capitalized EFFORT is that it absolutely gets in my crawl and is complete BS. These guys play at KENTUCKY! No excuse to not bring it every game.

Not sharing the basketball is inexcusable as well. Why on earth Sestina never got another shot up, after hitting his fifth 3, is just perplexing to me. They just flat out stopped going to the hot hand. Just doesn't make any sense.
 

BassProCat

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The reason I capitalized EFFORT is that it absolutely gets in my crawl and is complete BS. These guys play at KENTUCKY! No excuse to not bring it every game.

Not sharing the basketball is inexcusable as well. Why on earth Sestina never got another shot up, after hitting his fifth 3, is just perplexing to me. They just flat out stopped going to the hot hand. Just doesn't make any sense.

All this x100000000000
 

ZaytovenCat

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I don’t get it. If we miss the tournament this year it’ll make us missing 2 of the last 11 tournaments. Both years in which were down years. Wtf? And some still aren’t sure if he should feel heat? Hell he should be FIRED if he missed the tournament again. 2012 only buys so much good Will and he used up a lot of it the very next season.
 
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I like Cal and think he’s a good coach. He’s taken 3 programs to the Final 4 and is a handful of free throws from having 2+ titles.

If we bomb this season and he doesn’t shake things up then I’ll say it’s time to panic. He’s a competitor with a big ego and he likes to win. If he’s content then we have a big issue. Cal isn’t bigger than UK and we’ll find another good coach but it may take time to find the right fit. I hope it doesn’t come to that.

I would like to say we won’t bomb and these guys will figure it out. But I just don’t see the pieces. Cal’s offense has always been based on 1 of 3 things: drives to the basket with athletic guards who finish/lob to the weak side big, pick and roll, and screen to the opposite block for a posted up big with option to pass weak side for a 3. This team can’t do any of those things. I’ll support this team and Cal but I’m not getting my hopes up.
 

GonzoCat90

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I mean, I guess you can put "pressure" on him but that's mostly meaningless talk.

It's not easy to admit, but sometimes players just aren't very good. It's probably not a coincidence that our weakest years correlate with the weakest crop of recruits (not just ours, but top to bottom).

I'm not sure what Cal is supposed to do. They're his players, and they're the best that were available, so sure, he takes the blame, but if there weren't better available options, it doesn't do much good to be mad.

I still think it's too early to know how this year ends up. I believe our Vegas win total was like 25 before the year, so it looks like we're on track to be what was expected. Nobody else is setting the world on fire either. I've seen this movie enough times to wait and see.
 

Cowtown Cat

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I don’t get it. If we miss the tournament this year it’ll make us missing 2 of the last 11 tournaments. Both years in which we’re down years. Wtf? And some still aren’t sure if he should feel heat? Hell he should be FIRED if he missed the tournament again. 2012 only buys so much good Will and he used up a lot of it the very next season.
Surely you're not serious?! I think his NCAA tourney success (especially when we constantly play 8 on 5) FAR outweighs him missing 2 out of 11 tourneys. If we had made it to the FF in 2017 and last year, I think we win it all both years.

In 2017, we were completely and totally HOSED! No questions asked and zero doubt about it. In 2019, the refs swallowed their whistles (against UK) for the last 9 minutes of the game. Our bigs were getting hammered and mauled every trip down the floor and Herro didn't even attempt ONE FT. Meanwhile, Auburn was steadily shooting FTs, even during that last 9 minute stretch of the game.
 
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HagginHall1999

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I mean, I guess you can put "pressure" on him but that's mostly meaningless talk.

It's not easy to admit, but sometimes players just aren't very good. It's probably not a coincidence that our weakest years correlate with the weakest crop of recruits (not just ours, but top to bottom).

I'm not sure what Cal is supposed to do. They're his players, and they're the best that were available, so sure, he takes the blame, but if there weren't better available options, it doesn't do much good to be mad.

I still think it's too early to know how this year ends up. I believe our Vegas win total was like 25 before the year, so it looks like we're on track to be what was expected. Nobody else is setting the world on fire either. I've seen this movie enough times to wait and see.

Good post. It is about the ceiling and peaking at the right time. Some teams have a high ceiling and can get much much better and some teams cannot. I look at OSU and they are very good but I don't think they'll get any better whereas we can and will. People just have to make shots they are capable of making.
 
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Kentuckiddy

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No. Cal shouldn't feel any pressure until we've tanked like 3 seasons in a row. Look at the last 10 years, no team has been better consistently.

This is exactly what’s wrong with Cal. Apologist like you defending him and his poor coaching just to be different.

You know what he’s produced isn’t good enough with what he’s had walk into this program. He’s majorly underachieved with what’s been asked of him. Winning National Championships.
 

yoshukai

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I admitted I questioned if Cal is worth the officiating.... worth Nike no longer favoring Cal due to the rift since not playing in the PK tournament... etc.

So far this year...I'm leaning towards we're never going to be allowed to win a title with Cal... he's made too many enemies. I'm not calling for him to be fired... but I'm starting to look forward to him retiring. The officiating makes me wanna destroy the universe and I dont need this anger on my soul.
We didn't play in the PK tournament because Nike was already funneling the top players to Duke . Other than that , I agree with everything you said .
 

kybassfan

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I love the man to death. But my God is he ever stubborn. As I said, depending on how the season goes, if I’m AD, the end of the year conversation goes as follows- “You make some changes. Or I do.”

LOL!!!! You don’t know Mitch Barnhart or the influence Cal yields.

Some of you are hysterical. He’s not going anywhere. There is no heat except what he puts on himself. Only way he leaves is under his own power. We’re talking U6 fan caliber delusional here.
 

kybassfan

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Surely you're not serious?! I think his NCAA tourney success (especially when we constantly play 8 on 5) FAR outweighs him missing 2 out of 11 tourneys. If we had made it to the FF in 2017 and last year, I think we win it all both years.

In 2017, we were completely and totally HOSED! No questions asked and zero doubt about it. In 2019, the refs swallowed their whistles (against UK) for the last 9 minutes of the game. Our bigs were getting hammered and mauled every trip down the floor and Herro didn't even attempt ONE FT. Meanwhile, Auburn was steadily shooting FTs, even during that last 9 minute stretch of the game.

Zayclodbeetlebreath is a Dookie. He’s just stirring the pot.
 
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yoshukai

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Well, losing two in a row is does not give me any confidence in this team or in Cal getting them better honestly. I don't see much in this team.

Cal has said all the right things, but the results are not there. His past history of his teams give me hope in him, but not this year.

If he misses the tourney this year, big changes need made to his approach on offense and to his staff. Bring an offensive guru on the uptick. For goodness sake, get somebody who can shoot the ball.

I am not a guy who wants Cal gone. I think he is as perfect a fit for UK as there has ever been. However, there is no excuse for him missing the tourney twice at UK shoud that happen again this year. I will expect some serious changes by him personally and his staff if that happens or I will have to reconsider my views.

UK is bigger than him or anyone else. This fanbase is rabid and will not react well to a year that results in missing the tourney. He can coach, Something is just off and he better figure it out soon. Nonsense to those that say he can;t coach.
I agree with pretty much everything you said . I do think though , being able to identify a schematic problem and not being too proud or stubborn to address it or even seek help with it is part of being a good coach . IMO Cals offensive needs a total overhaul to succeed in today's game . We've had spacing issues for a long time .
 

kybassfan

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If so then that's part of the problem.

No, it is a parameter. Like saying the sky is blue. Cal is what we got, if you are a Ky fan. You either accept it or whine like a little *****. Regardless, sky is still blue.
 

bbnkat02

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LOL!!!! You don’t know Mitch Barnhart or the influence Cal yields.

Some of you are hysterical. He’s not going anywhere. There is no heat except what he puts on himself. Only way he leaves is under his own power. We’re talking U6 fan caliber delusional here.

I don’t expect Cal to be gone. But if we keep trending down I could see Mitch forcing Cal to give the ax to some assts. or do it himself. Something has to change.
 
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IIIBradIII

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Surely you're not serious?! I think his NCAA tourney success (especially when we constantly play 8 on 5) FAR outweighs him missing 2 out of 11 tourneys. If we had made it to the FF in 2017 and last year, I think we win it all both years.

In 2017, we were completely and totally HOSED! No questions asked and zero doubt about it. In 2019, the refs swallowed their whistles (against UK) for the last 9 minutes of the game. Our bigs were getting hammered and mauled every trip down the floor and Herro didn't even attempt ONE FT. Meanwhile, Auburn was steadily shooting FTs, even during that last 9 minute stretch of the game.
Look, I'm as hard on the zebras as anyone, and have basically stopped watching games live because I honestly can't handle how our games are called now unless I know the result ahead of time.

So while I agree with you that we have been hosed several times when it really mattered, that is still on Cal! He owns 100% of the responsibility to manage the referees. That's a coach's job and he's generally been terrible at it. I used to get mad and scream at the referees too, but there's only one person who can fix that and it's the coach.
 
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Cowtown Cat

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Look, I'm as hard on the zebras as anyone, and have basically stopped watching games live because I honestly can't handle how our games are called now unless I know the result ahead of time.

So while I agree with you that we have been hosed several times when it really mattered, that is still on Cal! He owns 100% of the responsibility to manage the referees. That's a coach's job and he's generally been terrible at it. I used to get mad and scream at the referees too, but there's only one person who can fix that and it's the coach.
I agree wholeheartedly. Sometimes he rides the refs and sometimes he just doesn't. I don't know if it's due to who the ref is in general, his mood at that specific moment or really why it's that way.

The thing is that, if the refs have an agenda, there's really not much that can be done to prevent it IMO. I mean, what's he supposed to do, take them out back and whip their ***? [laughing] You know, what can the man really do at this juncture? I'm asking because I truly don't know. Trust me, I've thought about that very thing many times over the years of this referee fuckery and shenanigans.
 
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IIIBradIII

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I agree wholeheartedly. Sometimes he rides the refs and sometimes he just doesn't. I don't know if it's due to who the ref is in general, his mood at that specific moment or really why it's that way.

The thing is that, if the refs have an agenda, there's really not much that can be done to prevent it IMO. I mean, what's he supposed to do, take them out back and whip their ***? [laughing] You know, what can the man really do at this juncture? I'm asking because I truly don't know. Trust me, I've thought about that very thing many times over the years of this referee ****ery and shenanigans.
If I knew that I'd be coaching D1 basketball too, because IMO that's part of the secret sauce great coaches must possess. Cal has generally built teams to overcome it rather than deal with it, but the last 5 years he's failed in that regard.
 

Cowtown Cat

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If I knew that I'd be coaching D1 basketball too, because IMO that's part of the secret sauce great coaches must possess. Cal has generally built teams to overcome it rather than deal with it, but the last 5 years he's failed in that regard.
We play 8 on 5, it is what it is. Hell, my wife has even finally accepted it for what it is. For the longest time she thought I was crazy. If one really pays attention to detail, it's as plain as day. By the way, I honestly don't believe there's a damn thing Cal can do to stop it. JMO.
 
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