Honest Basketball Question ...

[BiscuitEater]

I keep reading all this ... "MSU had become a national embarrassment under Stans comments" and it got me thinking. Yea, I remember the ESPN 'Baily - Sidney' photos from Hawaii and I recall all the stories.

But to me, all this 'national embarrassment' stuff is a simple 'straw dog' distraction. Yes, I'm not a big fan of stories that puts any State program in a 'bad' light. But was it really that big of a deal? Don't most programs have one or two embarrassments that just happen?

So, here is the question ... "Which program is really MORE of a national embarrassment ... MSU under Stans with the 'fight' in Hawaii ... or the Ole Miss program where the coach has an 'International incident;' ends up in court and also has the constant embarrassment of felon Marshall Henderson on the team?

 

[esplanade91]

AK's incident was more offensive and would have been a bigger deal had it been to a Latino or African American, our incident was more embarrassing. I think a lot of casual basketball fans from all sorts of universities knew the baggage surrounding Renardo, and that was what made it so bad. If it was an isolated incident it would be different.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

It's close, but I would give the slight edge to us because Renardo had been a big name in basketball circles since he was in the 7th or 8th grade. It was like watching a time bomb ticking. Everyone knew it was going to explode in our faces. Henderson was equally as troubled but was somewhat of a nobody nationally until he showed up at Ole Miss.

 

[dawgstudent]

Chad Kelly = Renardo Sidney. This will be fun to watch.

 

[Dawgzilla]

Does Chad Kelly like tacos?

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[johnson86-1]

I keep reading all this ... "MSU had become a national embarrassment under Stans comments" and it got me thinking. Yea, I remember the ESPN 'Baily - Sidney' photos from Hawaii and I recall all the stories.

But to me, all this 'national embarrassment' stuff is a simple 'straw dog' distraction. Yes, I'm not a big fan of stories that puts any State program in a 'bad' light. But was it really that big of a deal? Don't most programs have one or two embarrassments that just happen?

So, here is the question ... "Which program is really MORE of a national embarrassment ... MSU under Stans with the 'fight' in Hawaii ... or the Ole Miss program where the coach has an 'International incident;' ends up in court and also has the constant embarrassment of felon Marshall Henderson on the team?

Pretty sure ours. The International incident should have been more embarassing, but it didn't get the same level of play for some reason. Either because of what else was going on at the time that was newsworthy or more likely just because there was good footage of the Sidney fight.

It didn't help that we then went on to kickoff Bailey, the player that seemed to be a much harder player and better teammate.

I do think you're right in that it's something of an excuse. The fight helped justify it, but Stansbury was asked to step down because of lots of other reasons. The fight was a visible symptom of those other reasons, but it really wouldn't have been a big deal in isolation.

 

[AHSDawg]

OUTSIDE of MS, NEITHER are a big deal... That is the sad truth in all of this. No one gave a rip 2 days after our Hawaii incident (which is why 'dumpster fire' is so overused when citing why it was time to get rid of Stansbury) nor did they care about AK's incident other than to chuckle when his wife said he couldn't get it up. I would venture that more people cared about Ole Miss's situation in that regard because it was much more interesting due to sex.

 

[kired]

There were a lot of other visible symptoms as well. Seemingly good character guys transferring out (Delks, Hansbrough, Bailey, Osby, Turner) while a handful of supposedly lazy players stuck around. The Bost NBA draft withdrawal screwup, the Phil Turner transfer debacle, Kodi Augustus basically calling out his coach to the media (I think he said something like "my dad said it looked like we got outcoached").

Whether those were legitimate issues or not, it gave the impression things were snowballing out of control for about the last 3-4 years.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Point of order ..

The International incident should have been more embarassing, but it didn't get the same level of play for some reason. Either because of what else was going on at the time that was newsworthy or more likely just because there was good footage of the Sidney fight.

I agree about the good footage video of the 'fight' BUT AK and the 'International Incident' drunk video went viral, and got a 're-play' with the criminal court proceedings ... plus added play when AKs wife filed the civil 'lack of consortium' suit.

 

[johnson86-1]

There were a lot of other visible symptoms as well. Seemingly good character guys transferring out (Delks, Hansbrough, Bailey, Osby, Turner) while a handful of supposedly lazy players stuck around. The Bost NBA draft withdrawal screwup, the Phil Turner transfer debacle, Kodi Augustus basically calling out his coach to the media (I think he said something like "my dad said it looked like we got outcoached").

Whether those were legitimate issues or not, it gave the impression things were snowballing out of control for about the last 3-4 years.

I meant visible to non-state fans.

I would add to your list Ravern Johnson being suspended for the UK game, Ravern Johnson's tweets, Ravern Johnson apparently not seeing a weight room for 4 years, Bost being academically ineligible (that happened, right?). I'm sure there were others.

 

[DerHntr]

OUTSIDE of MS, NEITHER are a big deal... That is the sad truth in all of this. No one gave a rip 2 days after our Hawaii incident (which is why 'dumpster fire' is so overused when citing why it was time to get rid of Stansbury) nor did they care about AK's incident other than to chuckle when his wife said he couldn't get it up. I would venture that more people cared about Ole Miss's situation in that regard because it was much more interesting due to sex.

Just curious. Did you live out of state during the time period in question?

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Just curious. Did you live out of state during the time period in question?

i know the question is for someone else, but I did (and still do). in reference to what happened in both instances, it was a blurb on the news with AK. ours...hah, it was the bumper lead on sportscenter that day.

for those two events to be "equal", AK would have needed to have his incident occur in a stadium, with a fan, in front of cameras.

in the fall out of our luau fight, stans sides with dunkin donuts which didn't make much sense to those of us well outside of day-to-day news. sidney was bad news before that point.

 

[DerHntr]

i know the question is for someone else, but I did (and still do). in reference to what happened in both instances, it was a blurb on the news with AK. ours...hah, it was the bumper lead on sportscenter that day.

for those two events to be "equal", AK would have needed to have his incident occur in a stadium, with a fan, in front of cameras.

in the fall out of our luau fight, stans sides with dunkin donuts which didn't make much sense to those of us well outside of day-to-day news. sidney was bad news before that point.

I am out of state too and had the same experience. I live in a big basketball state and thought that maybe it was because people here follow college ball so closely. Then I started getting emails from friends around the country about it. There was so much exposure of Renardo.

Add in that most games after that the commentators acted like they were paid extra for every single negative comment they could make about him. I heard about that often too. It really was surprising even in a place that loves basketball.

I think the biggest difference with Renardo and Henderson was that Henderson at least tried hard and scored a lot of points. He single handedly won a few games for the rebels and instead Renardo was supposed to be able to do that and couldn't put down food long enough.

 

[Dawgg]

Any chance we can call a moratorium on all of these "state of the program" basketball threads?

It's becoming laborious and soul killing to wade through...

We can all agree:
1. The program is **** right now.
2. The program was **** last year.
3. The program was **** the year before that.
4. Stans would have had a better record these last three years. This means we likely would have gone to the NIT and lost or somehow won the SECT, then gone to the NCAAT and lost early.
5. We would have beaten Kentucky once in those three years and then lost to somebody like Auburn or Austin Peay.
6. We would be bitching about 4 & 5 in March.
7. We would have had at least two negative incidents that, while not 'sanctionable', would have been cast as 'questionable'.
8. At least one player would have left surrounded by controversy.
9. Rick Ray hasn't made any significant improvements.
10. Rick Ray, while likely a good guy, isn't the right fit at State right now.
11. Stans won't be back.
12. Richard Williams won't be back.
13. Anybody replacing Ray is a roll of the dice.

Did I miss anything?

 

[DerHntr]

Any chance we can call a moratorium on all of these "state of the program" basketball threads?

It's becoming laborious and soul killing to wade through...

We can all agree:
1. The program is **** right now.
2. The program was **** last year.
3. The program was **** the year before that.
4. Stans would have had a better record these last three years. This means we likely would have gone to the NIT and lost or somehow won the SECT, then gone to the NCAAT and lost early. We would have beaten Kentucky once in those three years and then lost to somebody like Auburn or Austin Peay.
6. We would be bitching about this in March.
7. We would have had at least two negative incidents that, while not 'sanctionable', would have been cast as 'questionable'.
8. At least one player would have left surrounded by controversy.
9. Rick Ray hasn't made any significant improvements.
10. Rick Ray, while likely a good guy, isn't the right fit at State right now.
11. Stans won't be back.
12. Richard Williams won't be back.
13. Anybody replacing Ray is a roll of the dice.

Did I miss anything?

#5

 

[Hammer Down]

I personally do not care about Hawaii-gate. Only problem was that Stansbury kicked the wrong guy off the team. If we really wanted to fire Stansbury, it should have been right then, or after that year.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Any chance we can call a moratorium on all of these "state of the program" basketball threads?

It's becoming laborious and soul killing to wade through...

We can all agree:
1. The program is **** right now.
2. The program was **** last year.
3. The program was **** the year before that.
4. Stans would have had a better record these last three years. This means we likely would have gone to the NIT and lost or somehow won the SECT, then gone to the NCAAT and lost early. We would have beaten Kentucky once in those three years and then lost to somebody like Auburn or Austin Peay.
6. We would be bitching about this in March.
7. We would have had at least two negative incidents that, while not 'sanctionable', would have been cast as 'questionable'.
8. At least one player would have left surrounded by controversy.
9. Rick Ray hasn't made any significant improvements.
10. Rick Ray, while likely a good guy, isn't the right fit at State right now.
11. Stans won't be back.
12. Richard Williams won't be back.
13. Anybody replacing Ray is a roll of the dice.

Did I miss anything?

Yeah, you missed #5.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

If you would learn to reply, it would prevent my double posting.

 

[DerHntr]

If you would learn to reply, it would prevent my double posting.

If Apple would learn to make this damn phone work properly on message boards, I could keep double posting down too. I hate the full website view and the mobile view simply won't work right.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Yes, damn Apple and their inability to keep the pace with technology.

 

[DerHntr]

Yes, damn Apple and their inability to keep the pace with technology.

Eggzackly!

 

[Dawgg]

Sigh... yeah... I was typing on my phone and changed it up. Oh well... I'm in my thirties, I had to make a mistake some time. I had a good run...

I was going to think of something witty, but couldn't, so I just broke out "We would have beaten Kentucky once in those three years and then lost to somebody like Auburn or Austin Peay." into its own number.