Holding out hope
- Thread starter Brushy Bill
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I guess more to the specific point of voter id, if it’s not in place, there is no way to say with certainty that the elections are secure. Voter id would fix the voter roll issues as well, or at least make them not be as much of an issue. No voter ID and fraud exists, which I’m sure both sides take advantage of. This last election with mass mail in voting and I’m positive fraud occurred.
That means no election in history (or at least recent history) has been secure or reliable, and yet this is the one to storm the Capitol over?
I'm all for states' examining their election process. To claim THIS election had enough fraud to overturn the election, without any facts, is complete ******** and laughable.
I never said that nor do I agree with the actions on the 6th.
I don’t think it was the first one.
We can agree to disagree. This is where pulling in the data analytics that was conducted showed some red flags. And I just don’t see Trump gaining that many more votes over Obama’s record turnout only to be blown out by Joe fvcking Biden. I’ll just never be convinced and no one can definitively say it’s true without voter id.
It is what it is. Preservation of the Republic overrides civil war IMO. Want substantive change? Vote accordingly.
I think the issue is that many Biden votes were really not-Trump votes. Like it or not, Trump is extremely polarizing. Hillary had a similar problem in 2016 (2008 as well).
In terms of election fraud,I'm sure there were instances. That's true of every election in our history. The idea that it was only being perpetrated on one side and that it was enough to sway the election is my problem. Something on that scale would leak more than the trickles we've seen.
More people voted in this election then claimed to be registered in 2018. The amount of new voter registration, and how that registration is handled is what I find concerning.
I'd love some real signature analyses done on this election. How many were off by a large margin, and how many were 100% identical as well.
This could be true but trump increased his vote total by 15% from 2016 to 2020. Has any president ever done that and lost a 2nd term? I simply dont know.
A lot of those new registered voters were Trump ballots too. Both sides worked to get new voters out. A new registrant isn't necessarily an 18-year old liberal. A lot of them this time around were 40-somethings who wanted to vote for Trump.
Yes but if they added 8 million new registrants in 2 years voter turnout would need to be approaching 100% to reach the vote totals.
I get the rationale and arguments to support what happened this election, as implausible as they are.
We’ll never know definitively unless we have voter ID requirements. My position should be fairly easy to agree with and understand.
What assurance is there that thee same tactics employed in Pa, Mich, Wisc, Ga, and others will not be implemented nationwide for these elec lions. In a 'one person; one vote World' Trump won and the Dems will lose in a massive landslide in the '22 and '24 elections. But we know that scheme was overthrown in favor of various illegal, fraudulent tactics. It worked in 2020 and will be tried again, and again, and again. There is precedent for their actions, the Supreme Justices we thought were strict constitutionalists turn out to be afraid to take a position for the Country and punted. The federal judgeships we saw Trump add a lot of Judges to also became intimidated and fearful of threats . They refused to take the appropriate actions against fraud when presented overwhelming facts. We had voting machines designed so as to allow/provide rigged elections. Now the push is to have these same machines employees throughout the 50 (or 52 States). The list of Dem schemes to assure victory seems never ending. Thus, I lack faith that there will be any movement to reverse course in the lifetime of most adults on this forum. Sad. Sad that this Country has a allowed such a collapse and loss of our previous freedom.
The courts refused to look at the facts the media refuses to report the facts the evidence is out there and it’s overwhelming. 75 million people are disenfranchised
The media won't even acknowledge there were voting irregularities, and social media cancels anyone posting any evidence of same. We are in truly dark times.
For what? I listened to Glenn Beck this morning and there are no organized rallies planned. His staff has been combing the web for at least a week.
President Biden blew a great opportunity. He could have united the country as much as we ever could be. He should have told the dems to stop the silly impeachment and announce an independent investigation of the election. It would show he is moderate and willing to work with everyone, even when he doesn’t have to. Instead we will see more divisiveness and the rhetoric in Washington will continue to elevate.
At some point a nut job is going to realize a single bullet can flip the senate. The comments from our leaders and the media is just stoking the flames.
Until you realize there’s really only 1 party. If I were wrong, McConnell’s squad would’ve fought for Trump
Washington is a party for the democrats and republicans only. Outsiders are not welcome. Trump exposed that. Neither party wanted him crashing their party and the dems tried to get rid of him nonstop starting the first week of November 2016.
The system is rigged to keep outsiders out of the democrat and Republican party, which is not a comment about the 2020 election. How many independents are in Congress out of 535 members?