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Been perusing boards and reading up on this UM investigation tonight and just want to make sure I am not misunderstanding something... Hugh Freeze had an in-home visit with a prospect in Memphis a couple of years back, and a booster named in the NOA who has since been disassociated from the university was present in the room while the visit was being conducted????

HO. LEE. ****.

How has that not been plastered on the front 17ing page of the Clarion Ledger sports section for the past week straight? That is a blatant and very serious NCAA violation- no ifs, ans, or buts about it. I cannot imagine any way humanly possible where that could be spun as a one-time "mistake" or misunderstanding of the rules. How in the hell could an SEC head football coach not know that allowing a booster to tag along on a visit is an obvious, severely punishable offense?

I don't pretend to have any clue what the final sanctions will be, but this one allegation/violation is enough to put Freeze in a ton of hot water. He could somehow get off scott-free- but then again Bruce Pearl got a show cause for lying about a cookout.
 

121Josey

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Been perusing boards and reading up on this UM investigation tonight and just want to make sure I am not misunderstanding something... Hugh Freeze had an in-home visit with a prospect in Memphis a couple of years back, and a booster named in the NOA who has since been disassociated from the university was present in the room while the visit was being conducted?

Did you read it on SPS three days ago?**

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...ing-Dots-Memphis-heppin&p=1221467#post1221467
 

lowbird

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No no no that's a mistake. And he doesn't "see any willful intent to circumvent the rules".
 

121Josey

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No no no that's a mistake. And he doesn't "see any willful intent to circumvent the rules".

No no no that's a mistake. Just trust him, he has "read this files ... man, don't let me be blinded. Is there willful intent enough to make a change in someone?"
 
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121Josey

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I did read the stuff about the assistant coach being aware of booster contact and enticement to recruits and have caught bits and pieces since the NOA was released. I was reading more tonight and came across the information I just posted above and was very surprised by it.

Sorry. My mistake. Not enough intent.** I see what you're saying about adding Freeze to the equation. Here's the thread with the recruiting visit.

forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?157490-Wait-Just-listened-to-the-Boneyard
 

tatedog

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It's all good. Freeze is safe. He was "in another room".

Did Freeze actually say he was in another room? Because if he did, how can he go around saying nobody got paid to play? Was he watching what happened between the booster and player that he brought together on closed circuit tv? Or did he make them both put their hand on the Bible and swear they did nothing wrong when he came back?

I guess my point is him being in another room while the booster and player interacted makes this worse, not better since he facilitated the meeting.
 
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They think it's like arguing a Murder charge down to just Manslaughter---Freeze wasn't in the room so he didn't know---"there's a difference between Mistakes and Intentionally trying to Circumvent the Rules---sort of like the term Premeditated vs. in the Heat of Passion.

Dude, the NCAA cares about the multiple Level 1 violations during Freeze's 4.5 years that happened DURING an open NCAA Investigation. I mean if you are going to have that many Level 1 violations while they are investigating your team, then just how many Level 1 violations will you commit when the Investigators leave town? Twenty? Fifty? One Hundred?
 

missouridawg

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Blessings for you

Been perusing boards and reading up on this UM investigation tonight and just want to make sure I am not misunderstanding something... Hugh Freeze had an in-home visit with a prospect in Memphis a couple of years back, and a booster named in the NOA who has since been disassociated from the university was present in the room while the visit was being conducted????

HO. LEE. ****.

How has that not been plastered on the front 17ing page of the Clarion Ledger sports section for the past week straight? That is a blatant and very serious NCAA violation- no ifs, ans, or buts about it. I cannot imagine any way humanly possible where that could be spun as a one-time "mistake" or misunderstanding of the rules. How in the hell could an SEC head football coach not know that allowing a booster to tag along on a visit is an obvious, severely punishable offense?

I don't pretend to have any clue what the final sanctions will be, but this one allegation/violation is enough to put Freeze in a ton of hot water. He could somehow get off scott-free- but then again Bruce Pearl got a show cause for lying about a cookout.
nm
 

Dawg4ever49

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The NCAA could embed investigators in Oxfart and only catch a small portion of the violations committed. Like an iceburg this is only the 10% above the surface. I hope the Tunsil portion of the investigation reveals even more of their dirty laundry.
 

coach66

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Exactly right, all we have learned so far is that they were well organized and

very good a covering up their cheating which we all suspected. We got hammered in 2004 with Jackie when the NCAA could provide very little evidence but
they had a high suspicion level and were gunning for Jackie so they dropped the hammer. There is a whole lot of smoke boiling out of the Rebel Train right now
and this ignoramus defense is going to become a laughing stock.
 

Drebin

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I did read the stuff about the assistant coach being aware of booster contact and enticement to recruits and have caught bits and pieces since the NOA was released. I was reading more tonight and came across the information I just posted above and was very surprised by it.


Yes, and this directly refutes the narrative that none of the allegations tie directly to Freeze. It also reinforces that most of what he said yesterday on Finebaum was ********. I don't know how he isn't getting called out for it in the press, but the NCAA will most certainly address it.
 

DudyDog

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Here is my take on the Memphis booster situation...

There are 3 allegations that OM is digging their heals in and working to try and change the narrative on.

One is the Memphis situation. The other two involve Kiffin and Nix.

Why these 3? Because these 3 involve current assistants and the new structure within the NCAA constitutes that the head coach cannot claim ignorance in these situations.

"A head coach is presumed responsible for major/Level I and Level II violations (e.g. academic fraud, recruiting inducements) occurring within his or her program unless the coach can show that he or she promoted an atmosphere of compliance and monitored his or her staff."

If Freeze has to fire them, he will be staring right into the face of the new rule that head coaches will be held directly responsible for violations that their assistants commit. Just what does the new rule mean and what does that mean for Freeze? Who knows; but OM sure as hell doesn’t want to take the chance on finding out.

1) Memphis booster - Walter Hughes came out pubilcly, http://djournal.com/sports/memphis-booster-tells-side-story/ trying to save Maurice Harris. Claiming that Harris was "blindsided" (there's that word again), and shouldn't be punished because of his (Hughes) actions. Bottom line. Hughes is falling on the sword to save Harris, thus in turn possibly saving Freeze.

The NCAA tied Harris in the allegation due to him knowing of the involvement of Hughes with the prospects and facilitating the involvement of Hughes with the prospects on numerous occasions. Hughes was the booster who tagged along with Freeze on the visit with the prospect, along with numerous, and when I say numerous, I’m talking a lot of impermissible benefits from rides to and from Oxford; tickets, a hotel room and a plane ride to an OM bowl game; cell phone bills being paid for prospect and his mother, etc., etc.

The NCAA gave this violation a Level 1 classification. This is where the “rogue booster” term came from in OM’s response. OM is playing this as Hughes being the FCA volunteer that helps “all” athletes, and went out on his own without OM’s knowledge that he was providing illegal inducements.

As you can see, if Harris is implicated in this violation, it could lead to his dismissal. Which is not good for Freeze.

2) Kiffin – Allegations against Kiffin involve providing lodging to prospects and their parents/acquaintances on what looked like 5-6 occasions. Also alleged with impermissible, off-campus recruiting contact with prospective athletes. Some of the lodging incidents (when he let prospects stay at his house) and off campus contact are Level 3 offenses. OM agreed to these since they weren’t Level 1 or 2. One of the lodging incidents was classified as a Level 2 offense. This is where he put them up at The Inn (a hotel on the OM campus). OM agreed that this occurred, but is trying to get the NCAA to reclassify as a Level 3 violation. Again, if Kiffin’s violation stays at a Level 2, which is considered a “Significant Breach of Conduct”, it may lead to his dismissal, which in turn puts Freeze in the cross-hairs.

3) Nix – Nix is tied in to the Ed Center scandal where OM had the “Preacher” get involved in providing lodging, transportation and meals to the 6 prospects trying to get eligible. OM agreed that this took place, but is trying to get the NCAA to reclassify from a Level 1 to a Level 2 classification.

Again, if assistants are implicated to have committed Level 1 violations, their employment will most likely have to be terminated. Especially if by chance they should get a showcause. It will be hard for OM to justify keeping assistants around who commit Level 1 violations. But then again, you have seen Freeze hedge on this just yesterday, so time will tell. And if their employment is terminated, then Mr. Freeze’s employment will then become in jeopardy.
 

crushing

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very good a covering up their cheating which we all suspected. We got hammered in 2004 with Jackie when the NCAA could provide very little evidence but
they had a high suspicion level and were gunning for Jackie so they dropped the hammer. There is a whole lot of smoke boiling out of the Rebel Train right now
and this ignoramus defense is going to become a laughing stock.

I don't remember all the allegations in this case, but did we try to self report? Or did NCAA hammer us before we could even try to self report? May have been different back then, but did we have any level 1's and how many did we have?
 

Philly Dawg

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Based on your initial paragraph, the problem isn't keeping these guys. The problem is that the NOA said that there was not an atmosphere of compliance and if members of the staff committed level 1 or 2 offenses then Freeze is in trouble.
 

Mjoelner

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Don't forget, the Memphis booster and Harris were also at the breakfast at Freeze's house with the recruits on an unofficial visit. Oops! Freeze, another coach, a booster and multiple recruits on an unofficial visit all together in the head coach's house. I don't see them being able to get out of that one.
 

UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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What do you think the probability of the assistants not being fired but instead resign and find "jobs" working for Ole Miss boosters? If they get fired the first thing they're going to do is agree to write a tell-all book to pay their bills for the next few years because they're going to receive show causes and not be employable by any NCAA school.
 
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Been perusing boards and reading up on this UM investigation tonight and just want to make sure I am not misunderstanding something... Hugh Freeze had an in-home visit with a prospect in Memphis a couple of years back, and a booster named in the NOA who has since been disassociated from the university was present in the room while the visit was being conducted????

HO. LEE. ****.

How has that not been plastered on the front 17ing page of the Clarion Ledger sports section for the past week straight? That is a blatant and very serious NCAA violation- no ifs, ans, or buts about it. I cannot imagine any way humanly possible where that could be spun as a one-time "mistake" or misunderstanding of the rules. How in the hell could an SEC head football coach not know that allowing a booster to tag along on a visit is an obvious, severely punishable offense?

I don't pretend to have any clue what the final sanctions will be, but this one allegation/violation is enough to put Freeze in a ton of hot water. He could somehow get off scott-free- but then again Bruce Pearl got a show cause for lying about a cookout.


 
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Here is my take on the Memphis booster situation...

There are 3 allegations that OM is digging their heals in and working to try and change the narrative on.

One is the Memphis situation. The other two involve Kiffin and Nix.

Why these 3? Because these 3 involve current assistants and the new structure within the NCAA constitutes that the head coach cannot claim ignorance in these situations.

"A head coach is presumed responsible for major/Level I and Level II violations (e.g. academic fraud, recruiting inducements) occurring within his or her program unless the coach can show that he or she promoted an atmosphere of compliance and monitored his or her staff."

If Freeze has to fire them, he will be staring right into the face of the new rule that head coaches will be held directly responsible for violations that their assistants commit. Just what does the new rule mean and what does that mean for Freeze? Who knows; but OM sure as hell doesn’t want to take the chance on finding out.

1) Memphis booster - Walter Hughes came out pubilcly, http://djournal.com/sports/memphis-booster-tells-side-story/ trying to save Maurice Harris. Claiming that Harris was "blindsided" (there's that word again), and shouldn't be punished because of his (Hughes) actions. Bottom line. Hughes is falling on the sword to save Harris, thus in turn possibly saving Freeze.

The NCAA tied Harris in the allegation due to him knowing of the involvement of Hughes with the prospects and facilitating the involvement of Hughes with the prospects on numerous occasions. Hughes was the booster who tagged along with Freeze on the visit with the prospect, along with numerous, and when I say numerous, I’m talking a lot of impermissible benefits from rides to and from Oxford; tickets, a hotel room and a plane ride to an OM bowl game; cell phone bills being paid for prospect and his mother, etc., etc.

The NCAA gave this violation a Level 1 classification. This is where the “rogue booster” term came from in OM’s response. OM is playing this as Hughes being the FCA volunteer that helps “all” athletes, and went out on his own without OM’s knowledge that he was providing illegal inducements.

As you can see, if Harris is implicated in this violation, it could lead to his dismissal. Which is not good for Freeze.

2) Kiffin – Allegations against Kiffin involve providing lodging to prospects and their parents/acquaintances on what looked like 5-6 occasions. Also alleged with impermissible, off-campus recruiting contact with prospective athletes. Some of the lodging incidents (when he let prospects stay at his house) and off campus contact are Level 3 offenses. OM agreed to these since they weren’t Level 1 or 2. One of the lodging incidents was classified as a Level 2 offense. This is where he put them up at The Inn (a hotel on the OM campus). OM agreed that this occurred, but is trying to get the NCAA to reclassify as a Level 3 violation. Again, if Kiffin’s violation stays at a Level 2, which is considered a “Significant Breach of Conduct”, it may lead to his dismissal, which in turn puts Freeze in the cross-hairs.

3) Nix – Nix is tied in to the Ed Center scandal where OM had the “Preacher” get involved in providing lodging, transportation and meals to the 6 prospects trying to get eligible. OM agreed that this took place, but is trying to get the NCAA to reclassify from a Level 1 to a Level 2 classification.

Again, if assistants are implicated to have committed Level 1 violations, their employment will most likely have to be terminated. Especially if by chance they should get a showcause. It will be hard for OM to justify keeping assistants around who commit Level 1 violations. But then again, you have seen Freeze hedge on this just yesterday, so time will tell. And if their employment is terminated, then Mr. Freeze’s employment will then become in jeopardy.


Your welcome.. for your "Take'
 
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