Agree with the extension and well deserved but makes Hobbs' behavior with Schiano all the more unbelievable and ridiculous.
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The hubub here is clearly less about Pike and more about Hobbs and his questionable past decision making and need for the spotlight. If Cliff di commit one could see Hobbs claiming some credit due to the timing of his extension. That's what you get when you tweet take my guy of the hotlist. You want spotlight, you get the scrutiny that comes with it.
Hobbs did a great job. Got the man everyone wanted for less than what schiano wanted. Fans got pissed but end of day Hobbs called schiano’s bluff and got him for less
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Patently false. Hobbs was forced to hire schiano, its really that simple. I stood eye to eye with barchi to hear it myself. You really post some clown **** whenever i hit show ignored
Kyk right about this. The Schiano fiasco was no masterstroke. Hobbs lucked into the result-plain and simple.
I think it does equate to that type of extension if you compare his product to anyone else here over the last 30 years. He gets more out of what he has than any other coach, and that is not even debatable. I see improvement or development of players year over year that we have not had in 30 years. That is coaching.
Basketball can make a quantum leap with just 1 elite recruited. We are at a point now because of what Pike has done here that elite recruiters are actually seriously entertaining RU. For 2021 and 22.
Did anyone think the extension was a recruiting tool too? It's done all the time in football. Plus, Pike was going to draw interest from other programs. Does Rutgers run the risk of losing him and start all over or over pay? It does seem like Rutgers may have overpaid, but truthful in a few year when Pike reaches the $4 million range it will be par for the course. Few people will think much of it. It's a case of damn if you or damn if you don't. Rutgers has never been good when it comes to continuity and maybe Hobbs is trying to change this narrative.
Like anything it’s fine as long as he wins. If the collapse continues this year it’s not fine.
Just win. Simple as that. Hobbs believes he has the guy to win
No it's not the only thing. Who we lose to, how many points do we lose by, are we showing improved play, do we play hard for 40 minutes and not quit
Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing! Don’t you want us to win at all costs ?
what did schiano get compared to what he wanted?
the best part of the whole ordeal is Hobbs is in a win/win. Hobbs has no culpability if schiano can’t get it done. If he can get it done Hobbs is the guy who got it done for less. I hope schiano gets it done but if he doesn’t I am hoping everyone apologizes to Hobbs for being wrong
Winning is the ultimate goal but it is not the only thing. Let's put your thought in terms of life. Your kids are playing sports - do you instill in them that winning us everything or do you tell them it's ok to lose as lo g as they gave 100%
Are people really calling this a possible "collapse"?? Rutgers padded their record w a bad out of conference schedule and were then fortunate to play the better B1G teams in the second half of conference play. The result shouldn't surprise anyone. They're only a piece away from being in the top half of the conference and most would say that's a dominant big man. Shooting can be developed. Pike has obviously focused on defense and rebuilding since day 1 and probably peaked a season early but is definitely on the path for some good seasons. Some of you are insane for complaining about this. These recent losses suck and they're close but we as fans probably got a tad spoiled early on. I'm still excited as hell about the BIG tournament. Any word on it getting back to msg??
So in your mind since it is not youth sports it's ok to stop teaching them life's lessons. They are still kids. Coaches are teachers, mentors and in many respects surrogate parent's but you want them to say win at any cost because winning is the only thing that matters. That message imply if you don't win your a loser. WRONG MESSAGE TO SEND
This isn’t a local cyo basketball league . These “kids” understand that it’s about winning better than you and me. It’s big business at this level . We are paying a coach and his staff millions to win. The next time a college coach keeps his job because he was a great mentor and instilled life lessons will be the first time
That might be the worst take on this I have ever seen. Hobbs was forced to hire Schiano.
There's a point in time where RU as a school has the funds to make safer decisions and not wait for Syracuse to see Boeheim retire, wait to see some other programs fire their head coach and start scrambling to find an extension.
90% of the time, a coaches name becomes floated in the media and connected to another job and "like magic", the coach mentioned earns a contract extension.
In this instance this can be done ahead of the distractions. There becomes an uneasy feeling when a fanbase, parents of recruits both get the feeling that a coach isn't all-in.
RU now has two coaches that are clearly all-in and that matters. We can argue as the years move on whether both recruit well enough and make RU look and feel like other B1G programs. But I feel pretty comfortable that for the next few years, both coaches are in place and fit the RU community of hard work, playing the underdog role and becoming the face of their programs.
I don't think Hobbs had final say on Schiano and I also dont think he had final say on Pikes extension. Our donors are now stepping up and supporting both programs.
90% of the time, a coaches name becomes floated in the media and connected to another job and "like magic", the coach mentioned earns a contract extension.
In this instance this can be done ahead of the distractions. There becomes an uneasy feeling when a fanbase, parents of recruits both get the feeling that a coach isn't all-in.
RU now has two coaches that are clearly all-in and that matters. We can argue as the years move on whether both recruit well enough and make RU look and feel like other B1G programs. But I feel pretty comfortable that for the next few years, both coaches are in place and fit the RU community of hard work, playing the underdog role and becoming the face of their programs.
I don't think Hobbs had final say on Schiano and I also dont think he had final say on Pikes extension. Our donors are now stepping up and supporting both programs.
I believe it was wonderful to extend Steve Pikiell for so many reasons. He is the best thing that ever happened to RU Basketball since Tom Young. The guy gets along with everyone and is a great ambassador for our team and our university. He also is an outstanding person. Those who are critical have no idea how loyal he is and how good of a coach he is. Obviously they have not seen him up close or running practices.
I’ve thought about this more and even if Pikiell never makes the NCAA tournament (or NIT even) but goes .500 the next four years with no off court problems the RAC will be well attended and Hobbs is ok with that as he know he will come out on top FINANCIALLY.
That’s what Hobbs cares about most. He extended Pike because he is happy and certain he has a caretaker of the program. I think he is correct on that front and I see HIS perspective for wanting to extend Pike because of it.
Pike has certainly earned the trust of of Hobbs and fanbase that he won’t pull the ole dick around and sink the ship.
Personally that’s not my bar for extending him. I would’ve waited to see either post season experience OR recruiting improvement before extending Pike WITH a significant raise. Would’ve been fine for minimal comp.
That’s what Hobbs cares about most. He extended Pike because he is happy and certain he has a caretaker of the program. I think he is correct on that front and I see HIS perspective for wanting to extend Pike because of it.
Pike has certainly earned the trust of of Hobbs and fanbase that he won’t pull the ole dick around and sink the ship.
Personally that’s not my bar for extending him. I would’ve waited to see either post season experience OR recruiting improvement before extending Pike WITH a significant raise. Would’ve been fine for minimal comp.
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I don't think it's guaranteed 20mm for the term. His buyout is only 5mm which is still alot of CBB standards though. Hobbs is a piss poor negotiator tbh
from SK.com
From 2019-20 through 2025-26, the contract stipulates a guaranteed compensation of $20 million, plus performance and retention bonuses. Introduced as the 19th head coach in program history on March 22, 2016, with an initial contract that ran through 2020-21, Pikiell previously agreed to an extension in January 2018 that secured his services through 2023-24.
This is stupid. He deserves a raise but not top tier B1G money.
Great move by Hobbs. Pike right now has built this to a place that will make NIT or NCAA this year.. NCAA for sure next yr. And NIT or NCAA the following year. That's damn good for where Rutgers was just positioned, before he got here. Yup if your Rutgers, you lock that coach up
In a rebuild, winning is Most DEFINITELY not the only thing. There are many steps to building a program from the ground up. Rarely do you go from decades of losing to NCAAs in 4 years unless you are cheating like Calipari did at UMass.
First you are more competitive. Then you start to win more. Then you get over .500. Then you make the NCAAs. Progress has occurred pretty much every year. While not making the tourney would be hugely disappointing, its still continues the upward trajectory.
Caliparri didn’t cheat . Camby took money from an agent. But why are you comparing us to what a legendary coach did at umass 30 years ago?
The key to the extension is that the buyout if he leaves for another job was increased to $5 million. In short, he won't be hired away.
It shouldn't be, because such things rarely help with recruiting and are way too expensive for what they're worth. You don't guarantee a guy another $6 million to help with recruiting.
The extension better be merited for other reasons. I think it is.
Fixed that for you. Also believe it fends off inquiries from other programs at the end of the season.
GO RU
I assume we will see all the experts on here who questioned the extension apologize to pikiell and Hobbs.... first Maryland now jaden Jones