with 16.3 seconds left was supposed to be? I don't care about RS getting fired, but I want you to admit that RS has no offensive sets when the 3 isn't falling or the "dreaded zone" is thrown at us. I don't care about strengthen our schedule with better coached teams, because we can't beat the ****** teams. I want you to admit that we have a "nice little program" in Starkville in a very poor basketball conference. HD6, don't compare SEC football to SEC bball, because that is not an "apples to apples" comparison. RS has plateaued, and he doesn't have the bball IQ to take this program any further then the second round of the tourney. We will win the west every 2 or so years, and the SEC tourney every now and then, but that is not even remotely close to doing those same things in baseball or football. You win the SEC in football, you're BCS bowling. You win the west and the tourney in baseball, you're a national seed in the tourney. SEC basketball doesn't get that respect, that's why some people ***** about our cream puff ooc schedule that always yields us at least 2 losses each year. We don't need to fire RS, because eventually RS is going to do it himself. Going to bed, see you mañana.
Hey HD6, Highpoint, can you guys explain that set play
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with 16.3 seconds left was supposed to be? I don't care about RS getting fired, but I want you to admit that RS has no offensive sets when the 3 isn't falling or the "dreaded zone" is thrown at us. I don't care about strengthen our schedule with better coached teams, because we can't beat the ****** teams. I want you to admit that we have a "nice little program" in Starkville in a very poor basketball conference. HD6, don't compare SEC football to SEC bball, because that is not an "apples to apples" comparison. RS has plateaued, and he doesn't have the bball IQ to take this program any further then the second round of the tourney. We will win the west every 2 or so years, and the SEC tourney every now and then, but that is not even remotely close to doing those same things in baseball or football. You win the SEC in football, you're BCS bowling. You win the west and the tourney in baseball, you're a national seed in the tourney. SEC basketball doesn't get that respect, that's why some people ***** about our cream puff ooc schedule that always yields us at least 2 losses each year. We don't need to fire RS, because eventually RS is going to do it himself. Going to bed, see you mañana.
you see, I would like to be able to talk about that, but Coach makes it impossible for a person like me, who likes Stansbury but was disappointed in tonight's game, to do that. I have to come here and deal with Coach's stupidity for an hour rather than just talk about the game. So thanks for asking. Yes, the non-conference portion of our schedule has yielded three disappointing losses. I hope we are able to win some games in the SEC and get into the tournament. I feel confident that we can.
I'd debate the play with 16 seconds with you and we could ***** about how horrible it looked and disappointing it was but it would push to the 2nd page within an hour due to all the ridiculous discussion of "how to fire Stans".. It looked bad.. I have absolutely no insight if that was the play that was called or if our play was blown up but even the commentators of the game said "there you go, get the ball to JV" so they didn't think it was so ridiculous..
The worst part of the play was Kodi Augustus standing at the far 3 point line and making no effort to crash the boards... you can't coach lazy.
if Phil Turner and Barry Stewart shot free throws at the % they have for the past 2-3 years we win that game by 6 and the play at the end wouldn't matter.
The worst part of the play was Kodi Augustus standing at the far 3 point line and making no effort to crash the boards... you can't coach lazy.
if Phil Turner and Barry Stewart shot free throws at the % they have for the past 2-3 years we win that game by 6 and the play at the end wouldn't matter.
That's what sucks so much about basketball season when it comes to reading/posting on this board. You're either at one end of the extreme or the other and any post or poster in the middle of the extremes quickly falls to page 6 due to everyone else going crazy. Also, there's hardly ever any discussion after we win games. In non-conference wins, you wouldn't know we even played most nights if you only looked at this board. I love to talk intelligently about basketball, but its near impossible to do on here. It'd be nice if you could just have decent discussion/critiquing after any game, win or lose.
Some of the Stans haters on this board who find fault with everything he does seem to think that the rest of us think everything he does is fantastic and that he never makes mistakes. I've said over and over again that the guy has his faults, that he has his shortcomings, and all of that, but I am able also to see the positive things he has done for our program and that he has actually accomplished some things here. Unfortunately we can't have a decent basketball discussion because of the Stans sucks crowd. It's just ridiculous. This board is nearly unbearable after a loss.
but could never stomach much more than 5 minutes at a time. I though the Bulldogs looked pathetic. This team is performing at a level far less than the sum of its parts. I have a hard time excusing this lack of performance given all the returning experience. They just looked liked a poorly coached basketball team to me. I have no confidence this team will get to the second round of the Big Dance. In fact, I think they will be one and done. Expectations were sky high for this team. Something is wrong.
RS drew up the play during the time out. Now if he told him to stay out, then be pissed at Rick, but if he told Kodi to be inside then for rebounding then Kodi should be benched, and shouldn't start until he can follow orders. I want to know why Osby just plays a few minutes a game. I know when he was in he turned it over, but no difference in Randy or Benock. I think he is transferring next year, if things don't get better for him - another hit to the APR which we don't need. I like to sit back and watch you guys get after one another. I think DawgatAuburn, Coach, and Fish make some good points, but I think you and some others do also. At the end of the day, I believe some changes need to be made with Rick's staff to shake things up a little, that's all.
Without knowing how turrible UCLA was going to be and looking at the preseason I predicted 13-2 or 12-3. I figured that 2 separate West Coast trips would be too much to handle and we'd lose to UCLA and San Diego and lose one (not to Richmond) in the preseason tourney. And the whole point of playing that tournament was to end up playing Missouri. With that being said, 12-3 is very different when you've lost badly on your home floor especially in game 1 when you are starting as a top 25 team.
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What Mo is saying is that after playing ourselves into a hole we should not have been in, we still had a chance to take the lead inside of 20 seconds, but could not draw up and/or execute a play to get us a good shot.
There are no good losses, but if you do lose, you would at least like to feel like you played well. I don't think we can say that about last night.
There are no good losses, but if you do lose, you would at least like to feel like you played well. I don't think we can say that about last night.
If you are going to blame Stansbury for something, blame him for letting us get down 12 before changing our offensive strategy. Blame him for not having his guys ready for this game.
You can't blame him for having Bost try to dribble drive to the hole when it was the only thing that worked all night. You can't blame him for Bost getting cut off and having to dish it to Varnado. You can't blame him for expecting Varnado to know what to do with it when he gets trapped in a double team 8 feet out. (Kodi's man came in on the double). You can't blame him for Kodi not crashing down when the shot went up (Unless you wan't to blame him for playing his lazy ***). You can't blame him for Bost stopping at half court once he got bumped a little on the last play.
Stans did alot wrong last night, but to think the last two plays were on him is ridiculous.
You can't blame him for having Bost try to dribble drive to the hole when it was the only thing that worked all night. You can't blame him for Bost getting cut off and having to dish it to Varnado. You can't blame him for expecting Varnado to know what to do with it when he gets trapped in a double team 8 feet out. (Kodi's man came in on the double). You can't blame him for Kodi not crashing down when the shot went up (Unless you wan't to blame him for playing his lazy ***). You can't blame him for Bost stopping at half court once he got bumped a little on the last play.
Stans did alot wrong last night, but to think the last two plays were on him is ridiculous.
with this team, if we play well and lose, we'd have to be going up against a UK or at least a UT quality opponent. If we play well, the WKUs, Richmonds, and Riders of the world aren't even in the game. They could bring their A+ game, go all world...it wouldn't matter. If we're on, they're going to lose. We weren't on.
A good coach would have ran this play 1,000,000 times in practice. He would've done it so much, that these guys should run it with their eyes closed. When Varnado gets the ball and see a double team, he should think " if there are (2) guys on me, then someone must be open"... And whomever's guy that double downed on Varnado (it was Kodi's guy) should think "if my guy leaves me wide open by doubling down for Varnado, then i should cut to the basket behind him and receive the easy pass from Varnado and score two points to win the game".
It's not hard at all to see that Stansbury got his *** out-coached last night. Did anyone see us do anything differently after we'd already missed all those 3's and got down by 8 or 10 points? I sure didn't.
What kind of offensive plays do we have to combat a team that plays zone?
What kind of offensive plays do we have to combat a team that plays man D well beyond the perimiter?
What kind of offensive plays do we have against a team that is gaurd heavy and leaves us with a lot space in the paint?
For those of you who like to cheat on tests, Rick Stansbury's answer to those questions would be "fire up some 3's".
How come when we lose, everyone is all pissed about the lack of effort and lack of movement? (except for like 5 people on this board) But when we win and we beat the snot out of MVSU, Centenary etc... it's ok to be lacadaisical. I don't understand why bad basketball, from a coach's viewpoint, is ok when you're winning. I'll gladly take wins however we can get them, but at some point Stansbury has to take EVERY game and make it a learning experience for his players and evolve over the course of a season (and career). He doesn't do that, but hopefuly will soon.
that we don't NEED to be on fire from 3 to win games, yet Stansbury plays a style of basketball that's contrary to that. He's coaching a one-dimensional offense... and our one-dimension is a high-risk, high-reward team.
With that being said, I do like our chances at upsetting the GREAT teams this year, because when we do hit our 3's, we're hard to beat.... but Stansbury needs to coach in some plan Bs, plan Cs, and plan Ds.
With that being said, I do like our chances at upsetting the GREAT teams this year, because when we do hit our 3's, we're hard to beat.... but Stansbury needs to coach in some plan Bs, plan Cs, and plan Ds.
We just have to disagree. Years ago Stansbury used to run more set plays. One of my favorites was a carryover from the Williams days that he ran with Darryl. He would set a double screen for him at the top of the key and Darryl (or later, Bowers, or Winsome) would come around that screen and get the pass for a wide open shot. I have not seen this play in years. Last night would have been a good time to break it out to give Ravern (our best shooter) a wide open look. If the pass was not there, THEN let Dee drive and create.
Williams had another one he called zigzag that ended up in a wide open layup after a backcut 99% of the time. Haven't seen that one in 15 years. Not saying last night was the time to run it but at least have it in the arsenal.
Williams had another one he called zigzag that ended up in a wide open layup after a backcut 99% of the time. Haven't seen that one in 15 years. Not saying last night was the time to run it but at least have it in the arsenal.
to get my fingers on one our basketball play"books".
/Remember when you could use a 5" x 7" note card on tests in college? I wonder if that was an homage to our basketball playbook.
/Remember when you could use a 5" x 7" note card on tests in college? I wonder if that was an homage to our basketball playbook.
We ran it a couple of times last year with Barry. We tried it with him once earlier this year but the opponent saw it coming and broke the screen. I'll be the first to point out that that's not the person we should be running it with, but we have run it.DawgatAuburn said:
I will agree that we haven't run as many set plays as we used to, particularly this season.
That for the past 5 years, Stansbury coached teams do not do enough off of the ball to create open shots.
I've just read 20-30 posts where people were saying that the play call was awful while they are thinking that the call was to dump it down to Varnado. The call was the same play that got us back into the game. I will admit that we probably went to the well one time too many. I will also admit that we could have ran a better play. However, while not the best and while a little predictable, the last call was not awful; the execution was.
I remember the 00 play you are reffering to; we ran it alot with Bart too with much less success. William's motion offensive was a thing of beauty when clicking.
I've just read 20-30 posts where people were saying that the play call was awful while they are thinking that the call was to dump it down to Varnado. The call was the same play that got us back into the game. I will admit that we probably went to the well one time too many. I will also admit that we could have ran a better play. However, while not the best and while a little predictable, the last call was not awful; the execution was.
I remember the 00 play you are reffering to; we ran it alot with Bart too with much less success. William's motion offensive was a thing of beauty when clicking.
I will assure you we do work on sets and game situations. The last drive which ultimately got it in the hands of Jarvis was just what we wanted. Now he either didn't make the pass or Kodi didn't move. All I know is it doesn't matter to many on this board, it is always coaching in their opinion. One thing I agree with, Stansbury couldn't handle the ball so we had turnovers, he couldn't hit the three regularly so we couldn't shoot. He stepped up to the line and only made 14 of 27 and some of them were front ends of one and ones, so he can't shoot free throws. he can't play defense, even though we held our 11th straight opponent to less than 40% shooting. he is not as good a coach as Richard Williams who coincidentially can't get a head job anywhere. It is all Stans. yes indeed, I wish that some of your were our AD because you would fire the most successful coach we have ever had with the possible exception of Babe McCarthy, and yes, some of your predecessors fired him. We played like crap, get over it, we have another game Saturday.
If after 4 years, Stansbury has not coached Varnado enough on what to do when doubled, he should be fired.
As far as Kodi...While obviously full of talent, he doesn't strike me as the most intelligent player we have.
You are 100% correct on what both Jarvis and Kodi should have done. How much coaching did you need for that?
As far as Kodi...While obviously full of talent, he doesn't strike me as the most intelligent player we have.
You are 100% correct on what both Jarvis and Kodi should have done. How much coaching did you need for that?
We needed enough for it to happen and we didn't get it and we never have and we probably never will.
I was benched in 7th grade for hanging out on the perimeter after Ricky Smith (our unstoppable center) was doubled down by my guy. Is my 7th grade basketball coach better than Rick Stansbury? Absolutely not... If Kodi isn't coachable, then Walter Sharpe him. I know a guy named Romero Osby who needs some minutes.
From 2000-2006, when I lived in Starkville, basketball practice was closed to bystanders. It was SO closed, that there were gentlemen who walked the mezzanine instructing people to not hang out in the entry-ways into the stadium. Now, the hallway where the concessions stands are, are defintely useable. I know this, because in the spring of 2007, 2008, and 2009... the MSU Engineering Career Fair was in held in the Hump while we were practicing. And each year, I've been asked to not stand inside the entryways and watch practice. Last year, before I was asked to move, our team was skipping rope. Yes, I did just say skipping rope.
Of course we work on sets. Which basketball team doesn't? The question is how many sets do we have and why don't we utilize them more when we're OBVIOUSLY not shooting well on a particular night.
Correct.
If Kodi can't execute the plays Rick calls, why is he on the floor? There is absolutely no way that Kodi's job on the play was to stand still regardless of what happens. Good coaching would've put the TEAM in the best position to win, not just JV.
You are correct. Rick cannot execute cross-overs, passes, 3's, double-teams, etc.... but he can design plays that provide us better opportunities to score points than we did last night. Why were we shooting highly contested 3's immediately after crossing halfcourt? If those shots were taking while we're wide open, I would not even be posting this message. It's ok to have off nights by your players, because that happens. It's no ok to have off-nights coaching. It should also be noted that o one has EVER faulted Stansbury for his teams' defense/rebounding.
I will never claim to know anything about MSU basketball prior to 2000 and therefore have no idea how good of a coach Richard Williams was.
If Greg Byrne needs a protege, I'm available. And my number 1 priority, regarding basketball, would be to help Rick figure out ways to be more creative on offense (new assistant coaches). My next priority would be to get a new S+C coach so guys like Jarvis and Barry aren't pushed around at will.
We did play like crap and we do have another game Saturday. Both of those are undisputed facts. I really hope we can figure some things out by then, becaue we're in trouble if we don't.
He was triple teamed and put up an off balance 12 footer. He could have passed to an open teammate, but he never does that. Stans drew that play up. Bost, Turner or Randy should have driven to the hole with SWAT as the dish off option. It was a horrible play and it did not work. That is what you get with Stans...
you are blaming Stansbury for not teaching Kodi something he should have learned in the 7th grade? My gut feeling tells me that coaching has a limited effect on him. Lets say he does bench him...think of the uproar that would cause from the "Kodi needs more minutes" crowd.
You need to watch that play again. This was the 2nd time you posted this. Bost was going to the hole and got bumped/cut-off. That is why Jarvis was so far out. He was making space for Bost to penetrate. Jarvis was the #2 option.
I will watch it again, but I am pretty sure JV was the # 1 option. Bost is the point, it was his job to get it to JV...
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