Fox and Monk were good enough. It just depend on how good the guard are and who surrounds them
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Good point. Most folks fail to note how SGA went something like 2/10 from the field against KSU.
It's weird that SGA, Herro, and Murray have all played horribly in their last games as Wildcats, but all ended up in the lottery nonetheless.
The legacy there is "meh" from a fan standpoint.
Agree 100%. Multiple good guards returning for another year is best thing for UK. Everyone wants the incoming hs player instead of players we already have. Incoming hs player may have more NBA talent, but returning guards win championships.
I loved Fox and Monk and thought they were most entertaining guard combo we've had in a long time.
But ... they didn't get us a championship! That's not a knock against either player. Experience wins out (most the time) when it comes to championship.
Or he could not shoot as well, and get overshadowed by Maxey, he should leave now while he still is looked at this high.
He said on Twitter
“It’s Big Blue forever.”
With the instagram post quoted.
When you say things like “I’ll bleed blue for life, and forever, etc”
You’re probably gone.
“It’s Big Blue forever.”
With the instagram post quoted.
When you say things like “I’ll bleed blue for life, and forever, etc”
You’re probably gone.
He only shot 36% from 3. It's not like he was showcased as a world class deep threat.
But he definitely has the mechanics to shoot 42%+.
Perhaps, but he still could be overshadowed by Maxey and he would be moved to the 3.
Your last point presents the biggest issue: if experience wins out, and UK often has zero experience, how can UK win out?
Our most recent failures in March are predicated around foolish decision making from our guards, guards who have very little experience.
I'm glad Hagans and IQ are coming back. Could prove huge to our prospects at getting back to a Final Four next year. I still think UK is one piece away from cutting down title nets, however.
I hear you. Teague and Lamb did get us a title. Lamb’s skill and experiencee certainly helped. But Fox and Monk were good enough, I think. That teams biggest isssue was that the returning guys were limited.
Yep. And the "breaks" of returners we've received since '15 has been comically low.
We've returned a reluctant Briscoe and PJ. Throw is Gabriel for a second year (who wasn't ready to leave as a frosh and was barely draftable as a sophomore).
In the same time, we've lost (assuming Herro/KJ stay in): Herro, Johnson, Gabriel, Diallo, Vanderbilit, Matthews, Humphries, Lee, SKJ, Wynyard, Briscoe (after his second year where he chose undrafted over a return), Skal, Ulis, Green, SGA.
I get losing Fox, Knox, Murray, etc., but it becomes damn hard to win it all when you lose virtually all your second and third tier kids.
That's the dilemma.
Herro and Maxey would both average between 13 and 16 points/game next year. Herro, if anything, would average over 18 points/game, even with Maxey as a co-wing.
They'd both flourish next year because UK is likely going to struggle scoring and both of those guys would be instrumental in leading an otherwise lackluster offense.
The problem with this, and posts like it, is that only a hand full of teams actually try to do it with freshman guards. Got a news flash for you, experienced guards make mistakes too. And you do realize that the 2 times we made the championship game was with freshmen point guards, once starting all freshmen with only a single non freshmen getting any significant minutes. In fact, the 2 worst seasons we have had in Cal's 10 years here were with non freshmen point guards. And we have only had 3 seasons with non freshmen point guards.
Herro and Johnson are just doing what any kid in their situation should do.
Honestly is there anything bad about testing the waters and seeing where you stand?
Every single kid should do this.
Honestly is there anything bad about testing the waters and seeing where you stand?
Every single kid should do this.
That's more than likely true, because the post presence scoring won't be there next year. I just think it's hard to pass up on the opportunity to go pro if you're guaranteed by a team to be taken top 20.
I agree, but I'll be disappointed if either of them slips into the swamplands of the 28-45 range. Those guys don't fair well as far as NBA retention (Teague, Orton, Goodwin, etc.).
He only shot 35%. There is no way he shoots worse. The only ways it’s a risk is if he’s lazy and doesn’t want to work hard on his shot or the risk of severe injury.
I appreciate your view point. I’ll have to respectfully disagree. The last time Cal got a starting point guard back, he was surrounding him with tons of returning talent as well as the likes of KAT, Booker, Ulis, and Lyles. While Maxey and Whitney are good, they’re not the 15 class. I would love to eat crow and watch us cut the nets next year but I truly believe the chances of that happening are EXTREMELY slim without Herro returning.
The chances are extremely slim almost every year. I would put it in the 5-10% range. I had us at 6% entering the tourney this year, and Duke at 10%, for frame of reference.
You mad
false ...... I have put my posting on the line a couple of times and haven't been wrong yet. you all have a good day. I will be back to say I told ya so.
Also Vanderbilt was for sure coming back last year. Throw enough gum at the wall and some of it will stick.
Yep. And it's why you can't just recruit lower ranked guys--they go anyways. Hell, most of them come to Kentucky because they think it will be the thing that let's them be 1 and done.
I don’t even care but literally no one on this forum would miss you or even notice that you were gone. So what’s the point?
Dude, you dont know ****. Your just guessing like everybody else. Quit acting like you somebody
Agree with you 100%. Miller was much more critical for ‘12 championship than given credit for.
‘12 is probably best example of (the exception) winning with freshman pg, and that is to have a generational player around you (Davis) and experience at other position. (Miller, Lamb)
(The norm) Without that once in decade player then experience at guard play will usually win out.
The exception is very difficult. Coach K didn’t forget how to coach. He had generational player this year and 3 top 10 draft picks and couldn’t win it all.
Chances with Herro would be higher than that next year. With him, or KJ, we would be extremely up while the rest of college b-ball would be relatively down. #1 team in the country coming in next year is probably Michigan St and we know Izzo isn’t a threat for a title. All of the other national powers will be down unless Duke grabs Hurt and Hampton. As fans, I feel like we should want to take advantage of that opportunity. We’re all rooting for the same thing here.
As for this year, I had us at higher than you. I thought there were 6 teams that had a legit shot at winning the title and ultimately, one of those teams won it. I had UK, Virginia, UNC, Duke, Gonzaga, or Tennessee taking the trophy.
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I think he's more likely to stay than Keldon.
He gave a vague range for his goals. "A high draft pick" could be anything in the 1st round.
He tweeted outsomething to the effect of Big Blue forever with his instagram post quoted.
Sounds like he's pretty much gone.
Also OP, you can just ban yourself now. K Thanks
He gave a vague range for his goals. "A high draft pick" could be anything in the 1st round.
He tweeted outsomething to the effect of Big Blue forever with his instagram post quoted.
Sounds like he's pretty much gone.
Also OP, you can just ban yourself now. K Thanks
For the same reason he's pretended to be an insider for a decade.
He’s gone. We will be very good next year but not the prohibitive favorite. We will have a chance and that’s all we can expect. Better than most.