Here's the issue .....

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

What is our record without Adrian over the last two years?

well, I don't think you can undue the mental fragility in just a game or two.. this has been building since last year, and while it started going in a positive direction last year, this year has fallen apart. Vedral bailed Martinez out with a win where he had to take over, and then basically the next time we got to see him, the team was in shambles, even though the offense looked way different as far as tempo. Then we saw a much improved offense the following week with Vedral, before he got injured and McCaffrey did some good things too.

To me, it's plain as day that Adrian is not a competitor. It's just not who he is. When it's time to make something happen, he almost always doesn't meet the challenge, and the guys on the team know this too. There are plenty of examples of this over the past 2 years.

Now if you think we have the best chance of winning with Adrian, I beg to differ. The kid does not even have a .500 winning percentage, so.. I'd be happy if they just moved on from him.

But I know.. he was a heisman contender to all the 'experts' here.. you really want to give him 'more time'? To me, the longer he is in the picture, the longer it will take in trying to turn around this dumpster fire, that was completely unnecessary.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

well, I don't think you can undue the mental fragility in just a game or two.. this has been building since last year, and while it started going in a positive direction last year, this year has fallen apart. Vedral bailed Martinez out with a win where he had to take over, and then basically the next time we got to see him, the team was in shambles, even though the offense looked way different as far as tempo. Then we saw a much improved offense the following week with Vedral, before he got injured and McCaffrey did some good things too.

To me, it's plain as day that Adrian is not a competitor. It's just not who he is. When it's time to make something happen, he almost always doesn't meet the challenge, and the guys on the team know this too. There are plenty of examples of this over the past 2 years.

Now if you think we have the best chance of winning with Adrian, I beg to differ. The kid does not even have a .500 winning percentage, so.. I'd be happy if they just moved on from him.

But I know.. he was a heisman contender to all the 'experts' here.. you really want to give him 'more time'? To me, the longer he is in the picture, the longer it will take in trying to turn around this dumpster fire, that was completely unnecessary.

completing 1 pass for 32 yards against a 1-win team = bailing out. got it. minnesota was martinez's fault. makes perfect sense.

do we just completely forget about the illinois comeback when posterbating about the backup qbs for the 10,000th time? probably our best win this year, and he ran for 40+ yards, completed 2 passes and accounted for 4 first downs on the game winning drive.

adrian's been bad this year. so has vedral. his best play against indiana was running 80 yards to make a tackle on a horrific turnover that completely flipped the momentum.

there should be an open competition at qb. martinez also will be a heavy favorite to win said competition.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

well, I don't think you can undue the mental fragility in just a game or two.. this has been building since last year, and while it started going in a positive direction last year, this year has fallen apart. Vedral bailed Martinez out with a win where he had to take over, and then basically the next time we got to see him, the team was in shambles, even though the offense looked way different as far as tempo. Then we saw a much improved offense the following week with Vedral, before he got injured and McCaffrey did some good things too.

To me, it's plain as day that Adrian is not a competitor. It's just not who he is. When it's time to make something happen, he almost always doesn't meet the challenge, and the guys on the team know this too. There are plenty of examples of this over the past 2 years.

Now if you think we have the best chance of winning with Adrian, I beg to differ. The kid does not even have a .500 winning percentage, so.. I'd be happy if they just moved on from him.

But I know.. he was a heisman contender to all the 'experts' here.. you really want to give him 'more time'? To me, the longer he is in the picture, the longer it will take in trying to turn around this dumpster fire, that was completely unnecessary.

It is such a trope to call for the player whom nobody knows. Replacing a 19 year old, two year starter, with a qb who hasn't won a game and isn't statistically better is really stupid. When Vedral hands the ball to the other team for a 68 yard return we call him a backup qb. When AM misses a receiver for an INT we call for the next guy up. The offense is systemically broken but AM is the one that can still function when it breaks down. In the Purdue game, 4th down, our rg or rt completely misses an assignment...AM scrambles throws off balance for a 20+ yard gain to get us a TD...any other QB and it is a 4th down turnover and people would say the blocking sucks. Frost sees the mistakes but he also sees how often AM covers others mistakes. And there is a reason he is afraid to run...every scholarship qb on the roster is hurt because of it. A healthy qb is better than a broken and tough qb.

 

[kaz36_rivals189319]

Nobody has confirmed it but how do YOU know that Vedral took "normal snaps"? Because Frost or Walters said so? Remember the reports of a sweaty Martinez leaving practice several weeks ago. Practicing and taking shotgun snaps is a whole different story from actually playing at full speed. THIS is why I think it would be good for Frost to clarify a little bit the injury status of QBs. Martinez is clearly struggling with some sort of physical problem and it appears it may be more than his knee. Just come out and say "Adrian is dinged up but he's healthier than Noah right now". IF the rumor about Vedral isn't true, then IMO Frost needs to face tougher questions about why he didn't bring Vedral in the game. Loyalty is admirable. Blind loyalty is not.

No, because I was told by someone who attends practice that he was out there taking snaps.

1. Vedral has started two games...he has lead the offense to 19 ppg in those starts and hasn't finished either game because his aggressive running style has lead to injuries. He also cost us a 10-14 pt swing because he straight dropped the ball. Something AM has never done.

2. AM is leading the offense to 20 ppg in his last two starts. So apparently the offense is sitting in the same range of 19-20 ppg...close to 30 against bad defenses...around 10 against good defenses.

I don't think our issues have much to do with qb .

Are you trying to say that AM hasn't cost us points because he hasn't fumbled the ball? If so, that is not true. He has had fumble issues in his first 2 years here. Heck, he was one of the national leaders in turnovers last year. He's 2nd in the nation in fumbles and tied for 6th in fumbles lost.

Look, I am not against Martinez at QB. He's our future at QB and is probably our long term best option. I also believe that he has some issues right now and that those issues cost us the game against Purdue. I also know that QB is far from our biggest problem. I do 100% believe though, that if we have Vedral in that game, that we win that game. Missed passes and wrong decisions in the running game cost us at least 17-21 points. All it takes is to make a couple of those plays and we win. Is Martinez our better option going forward? Probably, but my problem is that as a coach, your job is to put the players on the field that give us the best chance to win the game and I don't feel that person was Martinez against Purdue. You could tell it early on in that game that he just didn't have it.

I feel like Dingle does that if Frost would come out and say that Vedral was dinged up and was a last resort against Purdue, then it would have silenced some of the criticism. Frost doesn't have to come out and give a full out injury report like Riley does, but he can't get pissy when people speculate because he has decided to keep all info in house and doesn't give out any of that info. He gets mad at reporters for speculating about things when he could squash those by being a little more forthcoming.

 

[Ewooc]

well, I don't think you can undue the mental fragility in just a game or two.. this has been building since last year, and while it started going in a positive direction last year, this year has fallen apart. Vedral bailed Martinez out with a win where he had to take over, and then basically the next time we got to see him, the team was in shambles, even though the offense looked way different as far as tempo. Then we saw a much improved offense the following week with Vedral, before he got injured and McCaffrey did some good things too.

To me, it's plain as day that Adrian is not a competitor. It's just not who he is. When it's time to make something happen, he almost always doesn't meet the challenge, and the guys on the team know this too. There are plenty of examples of this over the past 2 years.

Now if you think we have the best chance of winning with Adrian, I beg to differ. The kid does not even have a .500 winning percentage, so.. I'd be happy if they just moved on from him.

But I know.. he was a heisman contender to all the 'experts' here.. you really want to give him 'more time'? To me, the longer he is in the picture, the longer it will take in trying to turn around this dumpster fire, that was completely unnecessary.

Frost has made mention of Adrian leadership abilities or lack there of many time of the last 2 years. Of course he doesn't come and say he sucks at being a leader, Says things he getting better, or needs to get better, or hes getting better. Yes he is young, and it may come with age. I think right now the players rally around guys like Wandale, or Vedral better. As a QB if you aren't vocal and can't get guys pumped and motivated, you probably aren't going to cut it as a leader

 

[Ewooc]

No, because I was told by someone who attends practice that he was out there taking snaps.



Are you trying to say that AM hasn't cost us points because he hasn't fumbled the ball? If so, that is not true. He has had fumble issues in his first 2 years here. Heck, he was one of the national leaders in turnovers last year. He's 2nd in the nation in fumbles and tied for 6th in fumbles lost.

Look, I am not against Martinez at QB. He's our future at QB and is probably our long term best option. I also believe that he has some issues right now and that those issues cost us the game against Purdue. I also know that QB is far from our biggest problem. I do 100% believe though, that if we have Vedral in that game, that we win that game. Missed passes and wrong decisions in the running game cost us at least 17-21 points. All it takes is to make a couple of those plays and we win. Is Martinez our better option going forward? Probably, but my problem is that as a coach, your job is to put the players on the field that give us the best chance to win the game and I don't feel that person was Martinez against Purdue. You could tell it early on in that game that he just didn't have it.

I feel like Dingle does that if Frost would come out and say that Vedral was dinged up and was a last resort against Purdue, then it would have silenced some of the criticism. Frost doesn't have to come out and give a full out injury report like Riley does, but he can't get pissy when people speculate because he has decided to keep all info in house and doesn't give out any of that info. He gets mad at reporters for speculating about things when he could squash those by being a little more forthcoming.

If most fans are seeing that Vedral would do better, my guess is the players really see. How frustrating for them to know your QB is struggling, you have a better QB on the bench and the coach won't put him it. (Now I do think Vedral was hurt so Martinez may have been the best option). Going forward, I think it needs to be Vedral.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

It is such a trope to call for the player whom nobody knows. Replacing a 19 year old, two year starter, with a qb who hasn't won a game and isn't statistically better is really stupid. When Vedral hands the ball to the other team for a 68 yard return we call him a backup qb. When AM misses a receiver for an INT we call for the next guy up. The offense is systemically broken but AM is the one that can still function when it breaks down. In the Purdue game, 4th down, our rg or rt completely misses an assignment...AM scrambles throws off balance for a 20+ yard gain to get us a TD...any other QB and it is a 4th down turnover and people would say the blocking sucks. Frost sees the mistakes but he also sees how often AM covers others mistakes. And there is a reason he is afraid to run...every scholarship qb on the roster is hurt because of it. A healthy qb is better than a broken and tough qb.

Just because he is a two year starter doesn't mean he isn't the cause of a lot of problems, that could have been avoided. Besides, he was actually beat out by Gebbia, but was promised the starting position, in order to get him to commit here.

I do think Martinez is the main cause of all the trouble. I don't see him as the future at all, and while I like the guy personally, I see him as a cancer on the team, because now everyone has lost their confidence because for whatever reason, the kid doesn't have any, or didn't want the heisman attention or whatever it is. It's been one big massive false start for the Scott Frost era, and yes I identified it as a problem last year, when everyone blasted me, and I still think he doesn't have what it takes.

If you want to talk about stupidity, continuing down the path of sub .500 qb for the next two years is surely the definition of it.

I have never been more adamant about this being a problem, and it will continue to be, and I hate this because the team doesn't have to suck like this. They don't have to have this kids loser mentality that leaches into everything they do.

Everyone will tell you not to hang around or associate with losers, because it rubs off on you. Well this is the same stuff.

Do you think anyone of those guys on the team actually believes Martinez can go out and win a game when he needs to? F No. They all know he can't.

Why the fans and coaches can't see this, I have no idea, but it's maddening to me to see the program unravel over some kid who shouldn't have even been recruited in the first place.

Recruit guys who have high winning percentages and take their teams to the championships and win.

Those are the kinds of guys that you want in your program.

 

[huskerwa_rivals80749]

Just because he is a two year starter doesn't mean he isn't the cause of a lot of problems, that could have been avoided. Besides, he was actually beat out by Gebbia, but was promised the starting position, in order to get him to commit here.

I do think Martinez is the main cause of all the trouble. I don't see him as the future at all, and while I like the guy personally, I see him as a cancer on the team, because now everyone has lost their confidence because for whatever reason, the kid doesn't have any, or didn't want the heisman attention or whatever it is. It's been one big massive false start for the Scott Frost era, and yes I identified it as a problem last year, when everyone blasted me, and I still think he doesn't have what it takes.

If you want to talk about stupidity, continuing down the path of sub .500 qb for the next two years is surely the definition of it.

I have never been more adamant about this being a problem, and it will continue to be, and I hate this because the team doesn't have to suck like this. They don't have to have this kids loser mentality that leaches into everything they do.

Everyone will tell you not to hang around or associate with losers, because it rubs off on you. Well this is the same stuff.

Do you think anyone of those guys on the team actually believes Martinez can go out and win a game when he needs to? F No. They all know he can't.

Why the fans and coaches can't see this, I have no idea, but it's maddening to me to see the program unravel over some kid who shouldn't have even been recruited in the first place.

Recruit guys who have high winning percentages and take their teams to the championships and win.

Those are the kinds of guys that you want in your program.

I don't believe that Gebbia beat out Martinez. If that is the case, then our starting qb is only good enough to be third-string at 4-4 Oregon State. I REALLY hope that isn't the case!
I think that Martinez was the dual threat that Frost covets. I said, after the Colorado game last year, that Martinez may not be durable enough for the B1G...I still think that holds true (as evidenced by his play/injuries this year).

 

[Fed-Up]

I don't believe that Gebbia beat out Martinez. If that is the case, then our starting qb is only good enough to be third-string at 4-4 Oregon State. I REALLY hope that isn't the case!
I think that Martinez was the dual threat that Frost covets. I said, after the Colorado game last year, that Martinez may not be durable enough for the B1G...I still think that holds true (as evidenced by his play/injuries this year).

so ....let me get this straight...Gebbia is worse than AM because Frost chose AM over Gebbia...hence....our "starting" quarterback is tooo good to be the third string on a 4-4 team...but he's not too good to be the starter on a 4-5 team? hmmmmmm

Okay then...who is better....the starter on a 4-4 team or the starter on a 4-5 team. Keep in mind that the 4-4 team was picked to be horrible and the 4-5 team was lauded without even taking the field first.

Also...Frost is NEVER going to sit Martinez...regardless if the other three QB's perform better. He has decided that Adrian is going to be his quarterback.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

so ....let me get this straight...Gebbia is worse than AM because Frost chose AM over Gebbia...hence....our "starting" quarterback is tooo good to be the third string on a 4-4 team...but he's not too good to be the starter on a 4-5 team? hmmmmmm

Okay then...who is better....the starter on a 4-4 team or the starter on a 4-5 team. Keep in mind that the 4-4 team was picked to be horrible and the 4-5 team was lauded without even taking the field first.

Also...Frost is NEVER going to sit Martinez...regardless if the other three QB's perform better. He has decided that Adrian is going to be his quarterback.

did nikki start a burner account? lol

 

[oldjar07]

Frost has made mention of Adrian leadership abilities or lack there of many time of the last 2 years. Of course he doesn't come and say he sucks at being a leader, Says things he getting better, or needs to get better, or hes getting better. Yes he is young, and it may come with age. I think right now the players rally around guys like Wandale, or Vedral better. As a QB if you aren't vocal and can't get guys pumped and motivated, you probably aren't going to cut it as a leader

You don't have to be vocal to be a qb or a leader. Actually that could be part of the problem. Too many guys talking. Not enough guys putting their heads down and doing their jobs.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

so ....let me get this straight...Gebbia is worse than AM because Frost chose AM over Gebbia...hence....our "starting" quarterback is tooo good to be the third string on a 4-4 team...but he's not too good to be the starter on a 4-5 team? hmmmmmm

Okay then...who is better....the starter on a 4-4 team or the starter on a 4-5 team. Keep in mind that the 4-4 team was picked to be horrible and the 4-5 team was lauded without even taking the field first.

Also...Frost is NEVER going to sit Martinez...regardless if the other three QB's perform better. He has decided that Adrian is going to be his quarterback.

“If you want to be fired, be afraid to call out your best player”. ... someone smart

 

[red scowl]

Frost never considered QB change against Purdue, but wants more consistent play from Martinez

“So, we just need to be a little bit more consistent.” per Scott Frost

Frost is not the coach we thought we were getting IMO...this kind of tells all about there is to tell.

Martinez is why we lost? It's not because the whole team sucks?