Here's a thought about NIL

[NickRU714]

NIL has to be revised. There needs to be a cap of some sort.
Why is a football player getting NIL of this much and a gymnast is only getting this much.
If any.
How's that fit in with Title IX?
Should a freshman get NIL? He/she hasn't produced anything yet. What are you paying NIL for.
What is Name, Image & Likeness worth for someone who will redshirt?
What about a player who is out for the year with injury? Will he get 'sick pay'?

Why does the AD spend X amount on football but only Y amount on gymnastics?
How’s that fit with Title IX?

Should a new coach get paid in Year 1? They haven’t done anything yet.

Why do redshirt players get free education for a year if they aren’t playing on the field?
Or if they get injured, why doesn’t Rutgers make them pay tuition rest of the year?

 

[RUScrew85]

I don’t get the fundamentally against NIL argument . You may not like to , but it’s here to stay . So adapt or die

The idea is to stop sucking and have a team the school, alums and fans can be proud of

Here's the against argument. The experience of college football was in large part an interest in watching the kids playing and knowing they were (In our case) Rutgers men too. They experienced the same classes, instructors, campuses, bars, Add/Drop, New Brunswick, the student centers and the dorms and the damn busses and the (cough cough) libraries. The alumni and players had a bond. Now we're paying mercenaries who can come and go as they please. If I want to watch pro football there's a better league with three teams with in a hour drive.

Now do modern players experience exactly what we did as alumni - not exactly, of course not. But the link was still there.

If as I expect, players will be moving in and out for bigger money, well even the most romantic of us (college football wise) will finally see that the alumni/football player relationship doesn't exist anymore and lose interest.

It may be that the players stay at a Rutgers once they get there but that seems pretty unlikely to me. And that destroys the uniqueness that is college football. The bond. The relationship.

To me, NIL (along with Free Agency) cancels itself for Rutgers. NIL expects us to pay kids to play at Rutgers while destroying what makes a Rutgers fan love Rutgers (because it's certainly not success on the field) the shared experience.

Seems to me NIL will never work at Rutgers and if you want to follow a winner that desperately, just go follow Alabama, you'll have no emotional ties to those players either and you get to watch a winner. Rutgers' chances don't improve with the NIL (we don't and never will have the supporters to compete financially) and you lose the relationships that makes a Rutgers fan a fan IMO.

If you don't get it now I don't know what to tell you.

After tying all of that maybe I could get behind supporting a player in his last year of eligibility if he spent them all at Rutgers. The others, well, I'm not paying someone else's mercenary kid to play football on top of everything else they get.


ETA: If I'm proven wrong in a couple of years I'll happily admit it and join the "team". But I don't expect to be.

 

[RUScrew85]

The idea is you pay them enough to not leave and take Rutgers to rose bowl

So Rutgers is suddenly going to have the money to compete with the Blue Bloods financially at NIL when they have never had that financial ability in the past? I don't think so.

Look I wish I thought it would work. I'd be on board. But I don't see how this makes the situation anything but worse.

 

[RUScrew85]

Sure, do whatever works for you

Yeah. Well I have recently realized I may be able to get on board with supporting players in their final year of eligibility if all were spent at Rutgers.

 

[Plum Street]

So Rutgers is suddenly going to have the money to compete with the Blue Bloods financially at NIL when they have never had that financial ability in the past? I don't think so.

Look I wish I thought it would work. I'd be on board. But I don't see how this makes the situation anything but worse.

We we won’t have that money if we continue to have the attitude of not paying players and taking bows

 

[RUScrew85]

We we won’t have that money if we continue to have the attitude of not paying players and taking bows

I disagree it's a matter of "won't". It's "don't, and never have, and have never shown any evidence it could be".

Sorry but IMO NIL is going to hurt Rutgers.

 

[Plum Street]

Here's the against argument. The experience of college football was in large part an interest in watching the kids playing and knowing they were (In our case) Rutgers men too. They experienced the same classes, instructors, campuses, bars, Add/Drop, New Brunswick, the student centers and the dorms and the damn busses and the (cough cough) libraries. The alumni and players had a bond. Now we're paying mercenaries who can come and go as they please. If I want to watch pro football there's a better league with three teams with in a hour drive.

Now do modern players experience exactly what we did as alumni - not exactly, of course not. But the link was still there.

If as I expect, players will be moving in and out for bigger money, well even the most romantic of us (college football wise) will finally see that the alumni/football player relationship doesn't exist anymore and lose interest.

It may be that the players stay at a Rutgers once they get there but that seems pretty unlikely to me. And that destroys the uniqueness that is college football. The bond. The relationship.

To me, NIL (along with Free Agency) cancels itself for Rutgers. NIL expects us to pay kids to play at Rutgers while destroying what makes a Rutgers fan love Rutgers (because it's certainly not success on the field) the shared experience.

Seems to me NIL will never work at Rutgers and if you want to follow a winner that desperately, just go follow Alabama, you'll have no emotional ties to those players either and you get to watch a winner. Rutgers' chances don't improve with the NIL (we don't and never will have the supporters to compete financially) and you lose the relationships that makes a Rutgers fan a fan IMO.

If you don't get it now I don't know what to tell you.

After tying all of that maybe I could get behind supporting a player in his last year of eligibility if he spent them all at Rutgers. The others, well, I'm not paying someone else's mercenary kid to play football on top of everything else they get.

No, I get it . This discussion is not whether NIl is good or bad or fair or unfair. The facts of this situation is that NIL is here to stay. People whining and getting nostalgic on a message board isn’t changing that .
You seem like a great fan . You go to away games , do big tailgates etc . Do you still plan on doing that stuff and not contributing to NIL ? Seems counterproductive .

 

[OntheBanks]

Why does the AD spend X amount on football but only Y amount on gymnastics?
How’s that fit with Title IX?

Should a new coach get paid in Year 1? They haven’t done anything yet.

Why do redshirt players get free education for a year if they aren’t playing on the field?
Or if they get injured, why doesn’t Rutgers make them pay tuition rest of the year?

Football is a different situation under Title IX.
A new coach wouldn't be hired if he/she had done nothing before.
Your statements about redshirt players has nothing to do with NIL.
Redshirt players get free tuition and if injured still receive it.
That is what the University provides. We're talking about NIL which is not
and can not be provided by NIL. NIL is provided by boosters like you or I.

 

[RUScrew85]

No, I get it . This discussion is not whether NIl is good or bad or fair or unfair. The facts of this situation is that NIL is here to stay. People whining and getting nostalgic on a message board isn’t changing that .
You seem like a great fan . You go to away games , do big tailgates etc . Do you still plan on doing that stuff and not contributing to NIL ? Seems counterproductive .

Honestly MrsScrew will always do all of that and I'll go with her because she loves it and we like spending time together. So while I'll always be a fan and follow the team I'll be less emotionally invested because it's not college football anymore. It's minor league pro ball. And if I was interested in that I'd have gone to a Blue Claws game once in my life.

Now this cranky, disillusioned fan has to go get ready for lunch with some folks from this board at the Rutgers Club and then go to the basketball game today. LOL.

@#&*$^$(!*^ Rutgers.

 

[OntheBanks]

No, I get it . This discussion is not whether NIl is good or bad or fair or unfair. The facts of this situation is that NIL is here to stay. People whining and getting nostalgic on a message board isn’t changing that .
You seem like a great fan . You go to away games , do big tailgates etc . Do you still plan on doing that stuff and not contributing to NIL ? Seems counterproductive .

Just wondering how many fans supporting NIL have reduced their donations to the Athletics Department so they can make NIL contributions.

 

[RUScrew85]

Just wondering how many fans supporting NIL have reduced their donations to the Athletics Department so they can make NIL contributions.

Worse, how nay have taken to heart that the school and the coach have told us that those infrastructure donations aren't important anymore and reduced them because they feel like they were played.

Then: Infrastructure Infrastructure Infrastructure.

Now: Infrastructure doesn't count we need NIL donations.

Feels kinda ******.


In an unrelated thought. Seems to me a well run program would be able to recruit the businesses the NIL is supposed to come from. Not squeeze the fans again.

If a business needed more capital for salaries they raise the money themselves - find more and new investors, not ask the folks buying the can of peas to donate to the factory workers salaries. Is this whole fan-NIL-fundraising just the easy way out for the Rutgers Athletics infrastructure to not have to do the work and find businesses to do NIL the intended way? Just a quick thought.

Maybe Rutgers (school and boosters) should be knocking on J&Js and Merck's doors. They could fund the offense or defense with one donation each and get free advertising in the process. I need to think about this more.

OK REALLY I HAVE TO GO.

 

[Plum Street]

Worse, how nay have taken to heart that the school and the coach have told us that those infrastructure donations aren't important anymore and reduced them because they feel like they were played.

Then: Infrastructure Infrastructure Infrastructure.

Now: Infrastructure doesn't count we need NIL donations.

Feels kinda ******.

It’s kinda like mrs plum We need a bigger house . Ok cool . Oh now we need a new kitchen. Ok cool. Now we need a new washing machine . It doesn’t end .
I am trying to convince her to sell and we give the sale proceeds to NIL

 

[NickRU714]

Football is a different situation under Title IX.
A new coach wouldn't be hired if he/she had done nothing before.
Your statements about redshirt players has nothing to do with NIL.
Redshirt players get free tuition and if injured still receive it.
That is what the University provides. We're talking about NIL which is not
and can not be provided by NIL. NIL is provided by boosters like you or I.

Correct. And it’s a contract like any other.
If you are hired to perform a service, then you perform it and get paid.

NIL contracts don’t say “If you score 2 touchdowns you get $1,000.”
Is that what people are thinking?

It’s “If you attend the Court Club meeting with boosters, we’ll pay you $1,000. If you post X number of social media posts for our product then we’ll pay you Y.”

What the University provides is actual pay for play: “If you agree to join the football team, we will give you X (free tuition, etc).”

Answer me this - if Taj Harris returns to Rutgers but chooses not to play football will he have to pay his own tuition?