Here’s the problem with the offense

Seinfeld

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LA Tech - At the 0:35 mark in the 1st qtr, the game is 14-7 after Calvin catches a 20 yd TD. After that, it is TEN possessions later with 12:01 left in the 4th before we finally get another score

NC State - At the 8:59 mark in the 3rd qtr, the game is 21-3 after Walley catches a short pass for a TD. We do not get in the end zone in any of our SIX possessions for the rest of the game

Memphis - At the 5:07 mark in the 2nd qtr, Walley catches a short TD that puts us up 17-7. It is EIGHT possessions later with 3 min left in the 4th qtr before we score again.

LSU - NINE possessions with 0:26 left in the 3rd qtr before we score our first TD.

We are going massive stretches of every game without getting in the end zone, and it’s killing is. Sometimes it’s turnovers, sometimes it’s penalties, and sometimes it’s Rogers not seeing open receivers, but either way… these lapses have to stop. Figure that out, and there are games left to be won
 

thekimmer

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I agree that is happening but what is the cause and what is the cure?....

LA Tech - At the 0:35 mark in the 1st qtr, the game is 14-7 after Calvin catches a 20 yd TD. After that, it is TEN possessions later with 12:01 left in the 4th before we finally get another score

NC State - At the 8:59 mark in the 3rd qtr, the game is 21-3 after Walley catches a short pass for a TD. We do not get in the end zone in any of our SIX possessions for the rest of the game

Memphis - At the 5:07 mark in the 2nd qtr, Walley catches a short TD that puts us up 17-7. It is EIGHT possessions later with 3 min left in the 4th qtr before we score again.

LSU - NINE possessions with 0:26 left in the 3rd qtr before we score our first TD.

We are going massive stretches of every game without getting in the end zone, and it’s killing is. Sometimes it’s turnovers, sometimes it’s penalties, and sometimes it’s Rogers not seeing open receivers, but either way… these lapses have to stop. Figure that out, and there are games left to be won

Its obvious to me that we get too conservative and too quick to go to the checkdown to dink our way down field then can't get it in the endzone. The hoops equivalent being too risk averse to shoot from the perimeter in lieu of working the ball into the post under the basket but then unable to make a contested shot there. Then when the game is on the line we finally start firing the ball up from longer distance.
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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Watching Monday Night Football last night and Collinsworth mentioned something that apparently not everyone understands. Many defenses are willing to give up the short passing plays to prevent the big play. It's the bend but don't break philosophy. The idea is if you take 10-12 plays marching down the field odds are you are going to make a mistake (penalty, dropped pass, turnover.) If you do happen to get down to the redzone it gets a whole lot more difficult to score passing the ball as the field compresses.

So if I know a team is going to come out and pass the ball 75-80% of the time, I am going to play coverage based defense and make you march the field with check downs knowing every time you put the ball in the air a mistake is more and more likely. The last thing I want to do is let you march down the field only having to throw the ball 3-4 times for 20 yard chunks.

The way to offset this has been and always will be to run the ball into a favorable front. The risk of holding and fumbles are similar, but incompletions, drops, and interceptions are off the table. So while a defense is happy to let you pass for 4-5 yard gains, they are not going to be so keen on letting you rush for 4-5 yards a pop. So you run the ball until the defense changes to make passing more advantages. This is how you create explosive plays and score lots of points.

Throwing downfield into 8 man coverages all game long is a recipe for turnovers. Running into that defense is how a back can break a tackle and pickup 10-20 yards. It's on Leach to force the defenses hand to put more guys in the box to open up downfield passing, thus creating explosive pass plays.
 

natchezdawg

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Are you telling me we are not scoring frequently enough to win?

How long did it take you to come to this conclusion?
 

PirateDawg

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You are a time traveler?

Watching Monday Night Football last night and Collinsworth mentioned something that apparently not everyone understands. Many defenses are willing to give up the short passing plays to prevent the big play. It's the bend but don't break philosophy. The idea is if you take 10-12 plays marching down the field odds are you are going to make a mistake (penalty, dropped pass, turnover.) If you do happen to get down to the redzone it gets a whole lot more difficult to score passing the ball as the field compresses.

So if I know a team is going to come out and pass the ball 75-80% of the time, I am going to play coverage based defense and make you march the field with check downs knowing every time you put the ball in the air a mistake is more and more likely. The last thing I want to do is let you march down the field only having to throw the ball 3-4 times for 20 yard chunks.

The way to offset this has been and always will be to run the ball into a favorable front. The risk of holding and fumbles are similar, but incompletions, drops, and interceptions are off the table. So while a defense is happy to let you pass for 4-5 yard gains, they are not going to be so keen on letting you rush for 4-5 yards a pop. So you run the ball until the defense changes to make passing more advantages. This is how you create explosive plays and score lots of points.

Throwing downfield into 8 man coverages all game long is a recipe for turnovers. Running into that defense is how a back can break a tackle and pickup 10-20 yards. It's on Leach to force the defenses hand to put more guys in the box to open up downfield passing, thus creating explosive pass plays.

Dallas plays tonight.
 

DoomSlayer

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It’s because we’re forced to move the ball with short gains and most of that is through the air. When you have to use 12 plays to go down the field the chances you make a mistake go way up.
 

oxfordrebel22

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Watching Monday Night Football last night and Collinsworth mentioned something that apparently not everyone understands. Many defenses are willing to give up the short passing plays to prevent the big play. It's the bend but don't break philosophy. The idea is if you take 10-12 plays marching down the field odds are you are going to make a mistake (penalty, dropped pass, turnover.) If you do happen to get down to the redzone it gets a whole lot more difficult to score passing the ball as the field compresses.

So if I know a team is going to come out and pass the ball 75-80% of the time, I am going to play coverage based defense and make you march the field with check downs knowing every time you put the ball in the air a mistake is more and more likely. The last thing I want to do is let you march down the field only having to throw the ball 3-4 times for 20 yard chunks.

The way to offset this has been and always will be to run the ball into a favorable front. The risk of holding and fumbles are similar, but incompletions, drops, and interceptions are off the table. So while a defense is happy to let you pass for 4-5 yard gains, they are not going to be so keen on letting you rush for 4-5 yards a pop. So you run the ball until the defense changes to make passing more advantages. This is how you create explosive plays and score lots of points.

Throwing downfield into 8 man coverages all game long is a recipe for turnovers. Running into that defense is how a back can break a tackle and pickup 10-20 yards. It's on Leach to force the defenses hand to put more guys in the box to open up downfield passing, thus creating explosive pass plays.

Its what Barry Odom is doing against everyone at Arkansas. The reason they’re so good at it, though, is because their 3 DL consistently wreck plays, anyways. If you can rush 3 and get pressure, and stuff the run, you’re going to be damn good.

There’s no doubt, however, that modern defenses have adjusted. It’s one reason the 3-3-5 is working so well for MSU. And it’s why Ole Miss signed 9 DB’s and have switched to the 3-2-6. Modern defenses are built to stop the spread. That was not the case 6+ years ago.
 

57stratdawg

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2H of the LSU game, we went:

> Missed FG
> Punt
> TD
> TD
> TD

We had 3 drives in LSU territory end without points: fumble (1H), int (1H), missed FG (2H). It cost us the game. We are not far off though. We just have to clean up the floor of this football team.
 
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